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U.S. Vigilantes Test Drones on Mexican Border
WashingtonPost.com ^ | Tuesday, May 13, 2003; 7:40 PM | Deborah Tedford

Posted on 05/13/2003 6:33:51 PM PDT by Reagan is King

Reuters Tuesday, May 13, 2003; 7:40 PM

By Deborah Tedford

MONTERREY, Mexico (Reuters) - An Arizona vigilante group is testing homemade "drone" reconnaissance planes on the U.S.-Mexican border to monitor illegal immigrants entering the United States in lonely desert areas.

Glenn Spencer, head of the American Border Patrol vigilante group, said on Tuesday the group has been testing two Unmanned Aerial Vehicles for about a month and plans to have a fleet making passes over the border by early July.

"We want to show how the application of this technology can solve the border problem," Spencer told Reuters.

Police and residents say they are aware of the drones, similar to unmanned U.S. military aircraft used in Iraq.

Hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants cross the border in search of work every year. Three vigilante groups, some of them armed, have sprung up in Arizona in the last three years to monitor the border and hand over any illegal immigrants they find to U.S. Border Patrol agents.

The groups say U.S. authorities allow too many Mexicans to flout U.S. immigration law. Since the Sept. 11 attacks, some have also said unrestricted immigration poses an unacceptable security risk.

Area residents say the drones invade their privacy and foster poor cross-border relations.

"The Mexican populations along the border are indignant," said Miguel Escobar, a Mexican Foreign Ministry official based in Arizona.

Ray Borane, mayor of the border town of Douglas, Ariz., said the group's activities are racist.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: americanborderpatrol; border; domesticdrones; drones; dronesabp; dronesbp; dronesus; immigrantlist; mexican; patriots; vigilante
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"The Mexican populations along the border are indignant," said Miguel Escobar, a Mexican Foreign Ministry official based in Arizona.

Who gives a rats rump. Don't sneak across illegally and they won't need drones.

Ray Borane, mayor of the border town of Douglas, Ariz., said the group's activities are racist.

This guy doesn't deserve to mayor of the town dump with statements like that. Are the liberals moving to Arizona?

1 posted on 05/13/2003 6:33:51 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Reagan is King
anyone have a sign on for Wash Post?? Or can the poster post the story instead of excerpt??
2 posted on 05/13/2003 6:38:06 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: Reagan is King
Are the liberals moving to Arizona?--methinks the "undocumented immigrants" are voting--
3 posted on 05/13/2003 6:40:21 PM PDT by rellimpank
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To: steplock
No LA Times or Washington Post articles may be posted, per lawsuit againt FR by those two rags.
4 posted on 05/13/2003 6:41:24 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (to hell with the spyplane - AC130 gunship)
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To: Reagan is King
Excellent. By doing this, we all now know who the pro-Mexican, anti-American sympathizers are.
5 posted on 05/13/2003 6:42:15 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (to hell with the spyplane - AC130 gunship)
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To: Travis McGee
ping.
6 posted on 05/13/2003 6:42:34 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (to hell with the spyplane - AC130 gunship)
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To: Reagan is King; holyscroller; Spiff; HiJinx; flamefront; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; ...
Ray Borane is one of those "Americans of Mexican descent". He's also a moron. Methinks he protestet too much (like maybe there's a bit of chicanery going on in the mayor's office.... just like there was corruption in his brother's former office ... he used to be a corrupt judge, and now he's an honest convict.)

Here's the entire article from Reuters.

U.S. Vigilantes Test Drones on Mexican Border

Tue May 13, 2003 07:40 PM ET

By Deborah Tedford

MONTERREY, Mexico (Reuters) - An Arizona vigilante group is testing homemade "drone" reconnaissance planes on the U.S.-Mexican border to monitor illegal immigrants entering the United States in lonely desert areas.

Glenn Spencer, head of the American Border Patrol vigilante group, said on Tuesday the group has been testing two Unmanned Aerial Vehicles for about a month and plans to have a fleet making passes over the border by early July.

"We want to show how the application of this technology can solve the border problem," Spencer told Reuters.

Police and residents say they are aware of the drones, similar to unmanned U.S. military aircraft used in Iraq.

Hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants cross the border in search of work every year. Three vigilante groups, some of them armed, have sprung up in Arizona in the last three years to monitor the border and hand over any illegal immigrants they find to U.S. Border Patrol agents.

The groups say U.S. authorities allow too many Mexicans to flout U.S. immigration law. Since the Sept. 11 attacks, some have also said unrestricted immigration poses an unacceptable security risk.

Area residents say the drones invade their privacy and foster poor cross-border relations.

"The Mexican populations along the border are indignant," said Miguel Escobar, a Mexican Foreign Ministry official based in Arizona.

Ray Borane, mayor of the border town of Douglas, Ariz., said the group's activities are racist.

"BORDER HAWK"

The vigilantes say they plan to outfit each UAV with a global positioning device to pinpoint migrants, and then forward hose coordinates to the Border Patrol.

Dubbed the Border Hawk, the $5,000 drone has a wingspan of 5-1/2 feet and flies at an altitude of 300-400 feet -- under the 500 feet mandated for aircraft that need certification by the Federal Aviation Administration.

The craft are made by members of the vigilante group with experience in electronics, Spencer said.

Mario Villarreal, spokesman for the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection in Washington, said: "We appreciate the community's efforts in notifying us of suspicious activities... We encourage them to call the Border Patrol or law enforcement but those efforts should be within the law."

He refused to comment directly on the vigilantes or their planned use of drones.

8 posted on 05/13/2003 6:53:43 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: steplock
anyone have a sign on for Wash Post?? Or can the poster post the story instead of excerpt??

See post #8

9 posted on 05/13/2003 6:56:15 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Heh, like the tag line.
10 posted on 05/13/2003 6:56:23 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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"The Mexican populations along the border are indignant," said Miguel Escobar, a Mexican Foreign Ministry official based in Arizona

So are the American populations. But for a different reason. And while we're at it...why is a Mexican Foreign Ministry official "based" in Arizona? Funny, I thought the Mexican government was located in...Mexico.

Ray Borane, mayor of the border town of Douglas, Ariz., said the group's activities are racist

Yeah, that's right Ray, crime prevention is racist. Having a border is racist. Having a country is racist. Anything that smacks of resistance to an act of aggression by a foreign government or criminal is racist, right Ray?

Under Ray's formula, America = racist = no right to exist.

Good to see he's been hanging' wid Jesse.

11 posted on 05/13/2003 7:03:06 PM PDT by Regulator (Just remember, when the terrorists come for you, it's racist to resist)
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To: Reagan is King
212th Signal Bn Marching Out


12 posted on 05/13/2003 7:03:39 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: Reagan is King
Vigil-freakin-antes? now that's journalism...
13 posted on 05/13/2003 7:10:11 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Texas_Jarhead
An Arizona vigilante group is testing homemade "drone"

Glenn Spencer, head of the American Border Patrol vigilante group,

Vigilantes, Vigilates, and more Vigilantes. I wonder if this reporter has an agenda? (sarcasm)

14 posted on 05/13/2003 7:18:59 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Reagan is King
Vigilantes - my ass!

American Border Patrol observes, records, and reports. They are a "neighborhood watch" for the border area. They don't intercept, detain, or otherwise interfere with the border invaders or the Border Patrol.

If they're "vigilantes" then so is every neighborhood watch group in America.

15 posted on 05/13/2003 7:38:17 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Regulator
And while we're at it...why is a Mexican Foreign Ministry official "based" in Arizona? Funny, I thought the Mexican government was located in...Mexico.

Seriously? They have these things call consulates, you see, which are diplomatic offices. We have American Consulates in other nations.

16 posted on 05/13/2003 7:47:52 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: walkingman
You can take that kind of talk and get the hell out of here. Post something productive, or shut up.

Nobody here condones that kind of behavior, and talk like that will probably earn you a visit from your local LEO.

Think first, post second.

17 posted on 05/13/2003 7:54:26 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: walkingman
Hey punk, I never said anything about this not being a problem. YOU are the one alluding to murder. Offer a realistic (or even reasonably intelligent - I know it'll be a stretch) post, and you'll find that people will debate you back intelligently.

But act like sneakypete, and be labeled for the whacko that you appear to be.

19 posted on 05/13/2003 8:03:59 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: Tancredo Fan
This is a great idea actually..

Amateur electronics has already made great headway in things such as GPS navigation of RC aircraft and live video.

You would be surprised what someone from the DPRG, or other well organized robotics group could do with a PIC Microcontroller, gyro, accelerometer, GPS and other off the shelf electronics items.

This is completely viable, relatively inexpensive and at this point, well within the realm of amateur's.

20 posted on 05/13/2003 8:08:27 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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