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Oil for Illegals? Mexico, and the Democrats, have a fit over House vote
National Review ^ | May 14, 2003 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 05/14/2003 3:59:29 PM PDT by madfly

May 14, 2003, 9:30 a.m.
Oil for Illegals?
Mexico, and the Democrats, have a fit over House vote.

By Mark Krikorian

Last Thursday, the House International Relations Committee narrowly passed a resolution introduced by Rep. Cass Ballenger of North Carolina (R.) requiring that any amnesty deal for the five million Mexican illegal aliens in the United States be linked to an opening of Mexico's state-controlled oil industry to investment by U.S. companies.

Then the fun started.The Mexican press exploded in outrage. "Blackmail!" cried the archbishop of Mexico City. "Stupidity!" said a representative of the oil workers' union. A plot to "annex Latin America," intoned Nobel peace-prize winner Adolfo Pérez Esquivel. An example of U.S. lawmakers' "ignorance," "arrogance," and "imperial vision," according to a Mexican senator. The head of the leftist PRD called on President Vicente Fox to "put on his pants" — act like a man — and oppose the proposal. Fox finally joined the tsunami of criticism on Sunday and categorically rejected any privatization of Pemex, Mexico's state oil monopoly.

None of this should come as a surprise. Mexico's seizure of foreign oil companies' assets in 1938 is central to modern Mexican nationalism; state control of the oil industry is actually written into the constitution. What's more, there are midterm elections for the lower house of Mexico's Congress coming up in July. Embracing privatization of Pemex would not be a vote getter, to say the least. And according to William and Mary political scientist George Grayson, author of Oil and Mexican Foreign Policy, "unless the PAN makes notable strides in these contests, the beleaguered Fox will find himself a lame duck with three years-plus remaining in his term."

But however outraged the Mexicans are, and however different these two issues are, it only seems fair to link them. After all, Mexico is asking us to start down the path of eliminating our southern border and embracing a European Union-style shared sovereignty — the least we can expect is for them also to eliminate barriers that are important to their nation.

Nor has this idea come out of the blue. In the July 30, 2001, Weekly Standard, economist Irwin Stelzer suggested just such an approach. Stelzer wrote that "monopoly oil prices" could offset a good part of the economic growth assumed in the president's tax cut and that "the finger of blame points squarely at Mexico." He wrote that we should insist that Mexico cooperate with the United States and other pro-free market countries and stop supporting the OPEC oil cartel and its leaders such as the Marxist Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. Stelzer said that before Bush strikes any deal on amnesty, "he should insist on the free movement of ...oil from Mexico" and the opening of Mexico's oil resources to American investment.

While Mexican opposition may be no surprise, the Democrats' furor over the oil-for-illegals approach is, given the importance of Mexico's oil to the United States and the huge costs that an illegal-alien amnesty would impose on us. After all, they have no chance whatever of getting an amnesty through Congress without some kind of sweetener, and this would seem an obvious candidate.

But it is not to be. Rep. Robert Menendez was so angry that he held a press conference last Friday denouncing the resolution. He was joined by Rep. Ciro Rodriguez and Silvestre Reyes; the latter, a past head of the Hispanic Caucus, said the amendment was an "insult" to Mexico and indicative of an "insane and outofcontrol attitude on the part of a country [the United States] that believes that as a matter of public foreign policy bullying is acceptable." It was Menendez who prompted the whole dust-up in the first place; Ballenger's amendment, to the State Department appropriations bill, was offered as a substitute to a proposal by Menendez calling for the conclusion of a "migration" accord which, among other things, "respect[ed] the human dignity of all migrants, regardless of their status" — i.e., an amnesty for illegal aliens.

The partisan nature of the vote suggests the depth of opposition in the president's own party for his preferred immigration policies. The only Republican to vote against Ballenger's oil-for-illegals linkage was Pete King (who has a career grade of F on the reformist Americans for Better Immigration website). Even such flamboyant Republican supporters of high immigration as Ileana Ros Lehtinen (career grade of F), Chris Smith (D-), and Steve Chabot (D+) voted for the linkage.

However bad the immigration positions of these Republicans, they at least understand that a massive illegal-alien amnesty must be met with some gesture from Mexico. But the Democratic-party/Mexican-government position on amnesty for illegals appears to be all quid from the United States and no quo from Mexico.

Stay tuned.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; immigration; mexico; oil
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1 posted on 05/14/2003 3:59:29 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; HiJinx; Carry_Okie; FITZ; Spiff; JackelopeBreeder; ...
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2 posted on 05/14/2003 4:00:12 PM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
Those folks sound just like our marxist/democRATS.
3 posted on 05/14/2003 4:03:52 PM PDT by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: madfly
But the Democratic-party/Mexican-government position on amnesty for illegals appears to be all quid from the United States and no quo from Mexico.

How does this differ from the Bush position?

4 posted on 05/14/2003 4:11:12 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: madfly
Bump!

g in AZ

5 posted on 05/14/2003 4:12:44 PM PDT by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: madfly
"After all, Mexico is asking us to start down the path of eliminating our southern border and embracing a European Union-style shared sovereignty — the least we can expect is for them also to eliminate barriers that are important to their nation."

I'm laughing so hard I'm in tears here. We can't seal our Southern border with Mexico unless we build a version of the Great Wall, and even THAT won't stop people from bailing over somehow. It's ABOUT TIME we got SOMETHING out of Mexico besides illegals and empty rhetoric.

Fox, the Saddam mini-me, is scared.

6 posted on 05/14/2003 4:12:44 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb; sarcasm
Increase Eastern European Immigration!

Why? Because it will dillute the future voting power of the Mexican Aztlaners, and hence make it much easier for the GOP to cut back on the Goodies that all those Mexican Baby boomers are going to want from the Gooooooooooobermint when they grow up and become loyal Rat voters.
7 posted on 05/14/2003 4:18:11 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: Pubbie
Increase Eastern European Immigration!

They have. Hundreds of thousands have immigrated here from Eastern Europe and Russia in the last decade. The problem is illegal immigration, if they would cut it off it would slow the Aztlan train down considerably.

Personally, I'd like to see a break in ALL immigration for a while, we've taken in over 35 million in the last 40 years, enough is enough.

8 posted on 05/14/2003 4:32:31 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"They have. Hundreds of thousands have immigrated here from Eastern Europe and Russia in the last decade. The problem is illegal immigration, if they would cut it off it would slow the Aztlan train down considerably."

Well ilegal immigration isn't a political problem for the GOP UNLESS they grant amnesty to a lot of these illegals.

Illegal immigration is more of an economic problem (see California).

However I advocate increasing East European immigration to a large level because it would be much easier for the GOP to just vote once to change legal immigration, than it would be deporting millions of illegals and spending billions to guard the border.

So increasing East European immigration is a lot less messier compared to the other alternatives, although I have not met a SINGLE Republican who knew that this was an option to them :(
9 posted on 05/14/2003 4:42:55 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: sarcasm
How does this differ from the Bush position?

What is the "Bush position," and link to a delineation of it.

10 posted on 05/14/2003 4:47:14 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
On a major immigration issue, Bush said he was hopeful the United States and Mexico will reach an agreement by early September that would pave the way to legalize the status of up to 3 million Mexicans and ``serve as a precedent for other nationalities.

``I fully recognize, particularly in Miami and a lot of other places, there are workers here from other nationalities,'' said Bush. ``But to me, it makes sense to deal with the Mexican issue first, simply because the numbers are so overwhelming.''

11 posted on 05/14/2003 4:51:57 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Pubbie
I don't think there'll be any consideration of amnesty until Bush's second term, maybe after the 2006 election.
12 posted on 05/14/2003 4:57:09 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Pubbie
although I have not met a SINGLE Republican who knew that this was an option to them...

Chris Smith of NJ is a mass-immigrationist Republican as this article says, and he is largely responsible for the increase in East European immigration, which is fine in moderation. We're already taking in a million a year, how much more do you want to increase it to? By saying it's impossible to stop illegal immigration and deport the illegals so let's just balance the Aztlan train with other immigrants is not feasible in my opinion. We can't take in the world.

At some point, maybe when enough Americans shout from the rooftops the Republicans will finally grow a spine, close the border and start deporting illegals. It can be done, it was before in the fifties. The taxpayer can only build so many schools, so many hospitals, and so many prisons.

13 posted on 05/14/2003 4:57:44 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: sinkspur
Well Bushs's amnesty proposal was a wreck in August of 2001 because:

1: The Republican House Leadership (God Bless them!) was ready to rebel against Rove because they correctly viewed Amnesty, as ensuring the Demographic destruction of the GOP.

2: The Democrats had out-manuevered the GOP by proposing that ALL illegals be given amnesty, not merely the 3 million Mexicans Rove had originally hoped for.

Of course the White House quietly abandoned the plan after 911 (and they probably would have abandoned the proposal even if 911 had not happened, due to House leadership resistance).

I'm not sure what they're current plan is, although the fact that the White House cancelled the Cinco De Mayo festivities, is a pretty strong indicator that There (Hopefully) will not be an amnesty proposal any time soon.

What the House is trying to do now, is trying to put a "Poison Pill" inside any Amnesty agreement, which is what the Oil Privitization scheme is.

The House GOP knows Mexico will never accept American influence over their oil, so the GOP put this proposal in to make sure there aren't enough votes to pass it.

So instead of just not taking up the amnesty issue, the GOP can say "Well we had a deal to give amnesty but Mexico rejected it therefore we had to withdraw the proposal".
14 posted on 05/14/2003 4:58:15 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
We're takeing in 1 million East Europeans a year????

I'm pretty sure it's only 90,000 Eastern Europeans per year.

15 posted on 05/14/2003 5:01:50 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The taxpayer can only build so many schools, so many hospitals, and so many prisons.

Not if we go to a mandatory 70 hour work week. Now, get back to work, slacker. :)

16 posted on 05/14/2003 5:01:55 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Pubbie
Well Bushs's amnesty proposal was a wreck in August of 2001 because

What was Bush's amnesty proposal in August of 2001?

Even back then, some of us asked for documentation of what Bush's policy was, and we got nothing but unsubstantiated leaks with no names attached.

There may have been a "trial balloon", but there has never been an official Bush policy to grant amnesty to anybody.

There wasn't going to be an amnesty then, and there's not going to be an amnesty now.

17 posted on 05/14/2003 5:02:52 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: madfly; Dutchy
Silvestre Reyes said the amendment was an "insult" to Mexico and indicative of an "insane and outofcontrol attitude on the part of a country [the United States] that believes that as a matter of public foreign policy bullying is acceptable."

What is insane and out of control Mr. Reyes, is our government turning a blind eye to the FIVE MILLION illegals living in our country. If we were truly bullies, we'd deport them all, tomorrow!

18 posted on 05/14/2003 5:04:01 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Pubbie
We're takeing in 1 million East Europeans a year????

Actually I'm talking about all immigrants, 1 million a year. What do you want to do, lower immigration from other countries while increasing East European immigration, or add to the 1 million total we're already taking in annually?

19 posted on 05/14/2003 5:04:59 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: sinkspur
"What was Bush's amnesty proposal in August of 2001?"

It was pretty clear INITIALLY what the plan was.

Originally the plan was to essentially give amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants from Mexico, but the Democrats totally outmanuevered Rove by saying "That isn't good enough, ALL illegals should be given amnesty, not just Mexicans".

So by Spring, the White House started back tracking, and the House leadership said it was highly unlikely the proposal would pass in the House.

By Summer the deal was dead and Bush was looking for a way to withdraw the proposal without loosing face, but then 911 came and the rest is history.

20 posted on 05/14/2003 5:08:31 PM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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