Oil for Illegals? Mexico, and the Democrats, have a fit over House vote

National Review ^ | May 14, 2003 | Mark Krikorian

[FITZ]

I think we have enough people --- however we do immigration we need to make sure they're only coming for jobs that we actually need them for --- there's a lot of Americans out of work, our inner cities are a mess and we need jobs if we ever want them employed. Too many jobs are leaving the US for us to be worrying about bringing in a bunch of people in ---no matter who they are.

[kstewskis]

Well, Armenians are a very peculiar group. I know Armenians vote heavily democratic, however they are not all swindling Medicare. Most Armenians work hard and obey the laws.

Nor did I say they were "all" swindling Medicare; however a significantly large amount of the Medicare fraud (that are caught) occurring in the immediate area (Glendale/Burbank/Hollywood) are from Armenian medical groups. It's been growing steadily in the particular area over the last 10-15 years (expectedly, that goes with the population increase).

Generally speaking, educated immigrants are a huge plus for the US, while poorly educated immigrants are big negative.

That I believe we can all agree on.

[Black Agnes]

Ping in case you missed it.

[dennisw]

I agree but on general principles we should have more Europen immigration as long as we're going to have immigration. There are millions of worthy East Europeans who would love to immigrate.

[PRND21]

Good post, Sabertooth.

[PRND21]

I was trying to be nice to you

Really?. That opening lie must have caused me to miss your niceness.

...why don't you answer that question, maybe we can all learn something from you.

Now you want me to explain why your flawed ideas suck?

Pass.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Now you want me to explain why your flawed ideas suck?

I'd explain it to you, but you're too young to understand. When you get a little older come back and we'll talk.

[FITZ]

Have them wait until unemployment figures get better ---and tell them to be sure and have their own health insurance policies when they get here ---we've got way too many uninsured now ---in this city only 32% bother with private insurance, about 33% have Medicare or Medicaid and the rest just figure they'll get someone else to pay ---it's bad when the welfare classes outnumber the working class.

[PRND21]

Re-read your posts, boy. You're still pouting.
Bug off, please.

[liberalnot]

on the surface, i'd agree with you.

but thinking a moment about it, do you really expect that the folks in south central (excuse me, south) los angeles etc are going to flip burgers? not.

it's not going to happen.

there are some black kids working in los angeles area restaurants, as well as white, but predominately mexicans out number everyone.

today, i had lunch in temecula at a carl's jr. i noticed a sign on the wall advertising for help:

> general mgr., $30-45,000 / yr.
> restaurant mgr., $28-35,000 / yr.
> shift leader, $8-10.75 / hr.
> crew, $6.75-8.50 / hr.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Buzz off, you're a pest.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

> general mgr., $30-45,000 / yr.

Is the cost of living really high in LA? That salary for a general manager is far above the starting rate on the east coast, at least my area. That's actually not a bad salary.

[Fraulein]

How are we fighting a war on terrorism while maintaining open porous borders?

We can pass the Patriot Act -- and fight a war against Iraq -- and yet all the while the government allows our borders to virtually remain open?

[liberalnot]

yes,

!!!

you could say houses are expensive here.

[FITZ]

It's very likely they won't even hire American kids in some of those places because they can't speak Spanish ---and in some areas that is number one requirement. Kids here ---hispanic and non-hispanic complain they are told they don't speak Spanish well enough by employers.

[FITZ]

Those are pretty good wages for a restaurant ---around here the wages are quite a bit lower ---but how can those workers afford homes in California? Or do many live in subsidized housing?

[liberalnot]

that's right!

and, then, considering that you can not get a room to share in a house for less than $500.00 in san diego county, or a one bedroom for less than $900.00, and orange and los angeles counties cost more,

...

your likely candidate for a crew job will be a mexican who lives at home or with another family.

$6.75 / hr = $13,500.00 before taxes.

[liberalnot]

i know several adult children of mexican illegals who now manage fast food restaurants in san diego and riverside counties. they are all married, and the spouses work, and thus, they can afford houses. one woman from the yucatan area of mexico told me that she makes $35 and her husband, $48. out of this they send money to their parents, and they bought a house. but they drive older cars.

i doubt that you could afford a house here on one salary. the lowest new priced homes in riverside county are $200,000+, and that gets you a long, long commute. most of riverside county is hot, varying from low desert or high desert summer temps well above 100 degrees.

san diego housing prices are out of control. and orange and los angeles counties are even more.

i'd guess the metro average home goes for $300-350,000. any coastal, safe, property will cost large bucks.

prices are, of course, less in the barrios or ghettos.

i noticed in last sunday's los angeles times that desert hot springs, across from palm springs, you could get a house for $91,000. and that's a drug-infested, crime-infested desert town.

the area around riverside-temecula boasts the meth amphetamine suppliers for the united states. high crime. people that live in riverside-temecula commute either to san diego, orange, or los angeles counties mostly.

[FITZ]

san diego housing prices are out of control. and orange and los angeles counties are even more.

I guess the illegals there aren't doing much to keep housing prices down like some people claim they do. Where are all those affordable homes they build? Can't you get your illegals to work for $5 an hour in home construction? Geez ---you might as well use American labor like they do in some areas of the country where nice homes can be bought for $80,000.

[liberalnot]

partially this owes to the limited amount of coastal land, partially to environmentalists who even save a species of flies here (believe it or not!) around corona, ca., and partially to the democrats who control the cities and counties and state with draconian laws. you would need a lawyer to push through a new development and that can take 5 years, i'm told.

so, people are building out into the mountains north of los angeles, it snows up there. and people are building in the deserts. the low deserts of the coachella valley, and the high deserts of the mohave.

most of the prime coastal land is gone, or off limits.

stay tuned.