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Eighth grader penalized for missing school, singing at Bush Event
WRTV ^ | 05/16/2003 | www.wrtv.com

Posted on 05/16/2003 11:31:30 AM PDT by IAmNotAnAnimal

This is my first post, bear with me. ...a student's absence can be excused for an illness, a family death, or an educational experience...Singing in a choir for the president of the United States, as Westfield Middle School eight grager, Brianna Tull, learned, dosen't count...was told she couldn't earn crdit for homewrok, tests and quizzes given that day

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1 posted on 05/16/2003 11:31:30 AM PDT by IAmNotAnAnimal
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Well, perhaps she can put it on her college resume, some day, as a "life/historical experience". This school sounds really mean-spirited and sad.
2 posted on 05/16/2003 11:34:12 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Singing in a choir for the president of the United States, as Westfield Middle School eight grager, Brianna Tull, learned, dosen't count...was told she couldn't earn crdit for homework, tests and quizzes given that day...

...protesting the President, however, would have earned her extra-credit.

3 posted on 05/16/2003 11:34:58 AM PDT by randog (It's always darkest before the dawn--a good time to steal the neighbor's newspaper...)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
From the article:

The Tulls said they notified the school about the event ahead of time. But the school decided an excused absence wasn't warranted, saying the event wasn't an educational activity.

"I'm not sure what was gained from an educational value," Superintendent Mark Keen told RTV6's Vicki Duncan.

"We're in school for 180 days to provide an education," Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

4 posted on 05/16/2003 11:35:08 AM PDT by stands2reason
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Link: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/2207721/detail.html
5 posted on 05/16/2003 11:35:22 AM PDT by July 4th
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Unbelievable. The superintendent must believe that students can only learn when sitting within the confines of the school building.
6 posted on 05/16/2003 11:35:40 AM PDT by Faith
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Did good. Welcome to FR.
7 posted on 05/16/2003 11:35:40 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (V-Twin mind with a Moped modem....)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
"Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?" said the Superintendent

More than she would have learned in your piss-poor classrooms.
8 posted on 05/16/2003 11:36:11 AM PDT by July 4th
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Welcome to FR.

The school decision was outrageous! Luckily, the poll (on the link) indicates that 91% of respondents think the school made the wrong decision.

9 posted on 05/16/2003 11:36:16 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: stands2reason
Imagine! A school actually concerned with "educational value"...I'm suuuure they are all about English, math, and science 24/7!
10 posted on 05/16/2003 11:37:19 AM PDT by stands2reason
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
"I'm not sure what was gained from an educational value," Superintendent Mark Keen told RTV6's Vicki Duncan

He could very well be talking about thepublic school system in general....

11 posted on 05/16/2003 11:37:26 AM PDT by sirshackleton
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
"I'm not sure what was gained from an educational value," Superintendent Mark Keen told RTV6's Vicki Duncan.

Getting a chance to meet the President of the United States is not an educational value????

12 posted on 05/16/2003 11:37:41 AM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
There's a poll on the original story page. Voting against the school is running 92%
13 posted on 05/16/2003 11:37:49 AM PDT by steveo (Lieutenant Zip died this morning.)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Welcome to Free Republic! :-)
14 posted on 05/16/2003 11:37:51 AM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Here's the rest of the story. The whole thing can be posted since it's not on the forbidden list. Freepers who want can go to the link and register a vote whether the school did the right thing.




School: President's Visit No Excuse For Absence
Student Penalized For Missing School, Singing At Bush Event

POSTED: 7:07 p.m. EST May 15, 2003
UPDATED: 12:42 p.m. EST May 16, 2003

WESTFIELD, Ind. -- In the Westfield-Washington school district, a student's absence can be excused for an illness, a family death, or an educational experience.

Singing in a choir for the president of the United States, as Westfield Middle School eighth-grader Brianna Tull learned, doesn't count.

Tull, who missed school Tuesday to sing with the Indianapolis Children's Choir during President Bush's appearance at the Indiana State Fairgrounds, was told she couldn't earn credit for homework, tests and quizzes given that day. She and her parents are crying foul.

"It's totally ridiculous," said her father, Ken Tull, "that you can't take your kids out of school for something this important. The president doesn't come here every day."

The choir sang before Bush addressed about 7,000 people at the fairgrounds coliseum. The president visited Indianapolis and other U.S. cities to tout a $550 billion tax cut plan.

The Tulls said they notified the school about the event ahead of time. But the school decided an excused absence wasn't warranted, saying the event wasn't an educational activity.

"I'm not sure what was gained from an educational value," Superintendent Mark Keen told RTV6's Vicki Duncan.

"We're in school for 180 days to provide an education," Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

Brianna Tull's parents said they think highly of Westfield schools, but still disagree with the use of the absentee policy in this case.

Brianna Tull (pictured, above) said the presidential event was educational.

"I bet that I'm going to remember this forever and tell my kids. It's an historical thing," she said.

Keen said the unexcused absence will stand, though the school system may review its policy in the future.
15 posted on 05/16/2003 11:38:27 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: stands2reason
"Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

Well, Brianna learned that her school superintendent is a liberal Bush-hater.

16 posted on 05/16/2003 11:38:35 AM PDT by Nevermore
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
There’s a survey at the Site. Currently.

An eighth-grader missed school to sing in a choir in front of President George W. Bush in Indianapolis. The school decided the absence is unexcused. Did the school make the right decision?

Yes 262-- 8%

No 2828--92%

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WESTFIELD, Ind. -- In the Westfield-Washington school district, a student's absence can be excused for an illness, a family death, or an educational experience.

Singing in a choir for the president of the United States, as Westfield Middle School eighth-grader Brianna Tull learned, doesn't count.

Tull, who missed school Tuesday to sing with the Indianapolis Children's Choir during President Bush's appearance at the Indiana State Fairgrounds, was told she couldn't earn credit for homework, tests and quizzes given that day. She and her parents are crying foul.

"It's totally ridiculous," said her father, Ken Tull, "that you can't take your kids out of school for something this important. The president doesn't come here every day."

The choir sang before Bush addressed about 7,000 people at the fairgrounds coliseum. The president visited Indianapolis and other U.S. cities to tout a $550 billion tax cut plan.

The Tulls said they notified the school about the event ahead of time. But the school decided an excused absence wasn't warranted, saying the event wasn't an educational activity.

"I'm not sure what was gained from an educational value," Superintendent Mark Keen told RTV6's Vicki Duncan.

"We're in school for 180 days to provide an education," Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

Brianna Tull's parents said they think highly of Westfield schools, but still disagree with the use of the absentee policy in this case.

Brianna Tull (pictured, above) said the presidential event was educational.

"I bet that I'm going to remember this forever and tell my kids. It's an historical thing," she said.

Keen said the unexcused absence will stand, though the school system may review its policy in the future.

17 posted on 05/16/2003 11:38:41 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
"We're in school for 180 days to provide an education," Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

Maybe she learned that publik skewls are biased against conservative ideals and activities. Maybe she learned that publik skewls are not good places to get an education.

18 posted on 05/16/2003 11:38:44 AM PDT by Luna (Evil will not triumph...God is at the helm)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Get the phone number and addresses. It time to Freep this piece of crap.
19 posted on 05/16/2003 11:38:47 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always flexible)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
And and entire class of 1300 students in Kentucky can attended a 3 day field trip to a revival and be excused!
20 posted on 05/16/2003 11:38:50 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Thanks for the warm welcome, I had to double my blood pressure meds after I heard this this morning. Greg Garisson, our local Conservative news guy is sending this to O'Reilly.
21 posted on 05/16/2003 11:38:52 AM PDT by IAmNotAnAnimal
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To: stands2reason
"We're in school for 180 days to provide an education," Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

She learned she goes to a screwed up, democrat NEA failure of a school.....

22 posted on 05/16/2003 11:39:48 AM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
ALSO .. correct me if I am wrong, but don't schools give kids work to do for missing a week from school to go on vacation to Disneyworld??

I know my neighbor's child did when they went on vacation ..

23 posted on 05/16/2003 11:40:03 AM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: SJackson
Perhaps if the Eight grader just took a sick day? there wouldn't be any problems...
24 posted on 05/16/2003 11:40:05 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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To: stands2reason
>>...Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"...<<

She learned that her school wants her to learn about presidents and current events only from books, not from direct experience where she can form her own opinions.

She learned that school officials can be petty and narrow-minded.

25 posted on 05/16/2003 11:40:16 AM PDT by FReepaholic
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To: stands2reason
Wonder how many non-productive assemblies this school has in the 180 days school session.
26 posted on 05/16/2003 11:41:26 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Where are my manners?... Welcome to FreeRepublic! I am sort of new too!
27 posted on 05/16/2003 11:41:59 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Contact Info can be found here:

http://www.wws.k12.in.us/admin.htm

and here:

http://www.wws.k12.in.us/wms/staff_directory.htm
28 posted on 05/16/2003 11:42:44 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Just mythoughts
Oh, but see, those have very important education value. They teach kids how to behave in social environments... I think... oh well. Bless this little girl, getting to sing for the President.
29 posted on 05/16/2003 11:42:45 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: stands2reason
"Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

And maybe she learned that next time it would be better if she lied, and say "Brianna is sick today." That's always a good lesson for the tots. Brilliant, Mr. Keen.

30 posted on 05/16/2003 11:42:48 AM PDT by Nevermore
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
"We're in school for 180 days to provide an education," Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

Welcome to FR.

With a Superintendent that stupid, it is a wonder children learn anything in this country anymore. When I was a kid, I got out of school to go deer hunting. But then America's best days are definitely behind her.
31 posted on 05/16/2003 11:43:03 AM PDT by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
She should've attended a Gay Pride rally instead - extra credit for sure.
32 posted on 05/16/2003 11:43:12 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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This site gives people's reaction to the decision. You can post your thoughts.
33 posted on 05/16/2003 11:43:20 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
"Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?" said the Superintendent

Yes, she probably missed that all important “how to put a condom on a banana” lesson.

34 posted on 05/16/2003 11:43:33 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: stands2reason
My wife and I take our granddaughter out of school one day a year to go to an event we think she will learn something from. Yes, we could probably take her on a weekend, but this makes it more special. Besides, all these were attended by many school kids, anyway. We took her to the Anne Frank travelling exhibit, the Titanic display, and this year an art musueum tour. She learns much more from this than regular school and we always buy reading materials that she can devour. If she had the chance to draw paintings for the President (since that his her talent) I would certainly take her for the "learning" experience. Since when is music not part of the school curriculum?
35 posted on 05/16/2003 11:44:10 AM PDT by Grampa7030
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
What's wrong with this school? Chelsea Clinton got a degree at Stanford without ever being in class.
36 posted on 05/16/2003 11:44:22 AM PDT by hattend
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To: stands2reason
"I'm not sure what was gained from an educational value," Superintendent Mark Keen told RTV6's Vicki Duncan. "We're in school for 180 days to provide an education," Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

UMM let's see, there's history, current events, music obviously since this was a choral performance, civics, speech, english (write a paper about the experience) for starters.

37 posted on 05/16/2003 11:44:45 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
School: President's Visit No Excuse For Absence
Student Penalized For Missing School, Singing At Bush Event

WESTFIELD, Ind. -- In the Westfield-Washington school district, a student's absence can be excused for an illness, a family death, or an educational experience.

Singing in a choir for the president of the United States, as Westfield Middle School eighth-grader Brianna Tull learned, doesn't count.

Tull, who missed school Tuesday to sing with the Indianapolis Children's Choir during President Bush's appearance at the Indiana State Fairgrounds, was told she couldn't earn credit for homework, tests and quizzes given that day. She and her parents are crying foul. "It's totally ridiculous," said her father, Ken Tull, "that you can't take your kids out of school for something this important. The president doesn't come here every day." The choir sang before Bush addressed about 7,000 people at the fairgrounds coliseum. The president visited Indianapolis and other U.S. cities to tout a $550 billion tax cut plan.

An eighth-grader missed school to sing in a choir in front of President George W. Bush in Indianapolis. The school decided the absence is unexcused. Did the school make the right decision?

The Tulls said they notified the school about the event ahead of time. But the school decided an excused absence wasn't warranted, saying the event wasn't an educational activity. "I'm not sure what was gained from an educational value," Superintendent Mark Keen told RTV6's Vicki Duncan. "We're in school for 180 days to provide an education," Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?" Brianna Tull's parents said they think highly of Westfield schools, but still disagree with the use of the absentee policy in this case. Brianna Tull (pictured, above) said the presidential event was educational. "I bet that I'm going to remember this forever and tell my kids. It's an historical thing," she said. Keen said the unexcused absence will stand, though the school system may review its policy in the future.

38 posted on 05/16/2003 11:45:25 AM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
The thing I always did was tell the school, "My child will not be there tomorrow". None of their business why.
39 posted on 05/16/2003 11:45:27 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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To: bmwcyle
I'm with you, BMW!

What you want to bet there are financial records somewhere which show this Superintendent donates to the Democratic party?

"What did she learn from the experience?"

That supporting the "wrong" person isn't cool in this NEA-controlled world.
40 posted on 05/16/2003 11:45:38 AM PDT by Cordova Belle ("America is great because she is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.")
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To: microgood
Thanks for the welcome and for the contact information, this was my first post....kinda cool, we gotta stand behind this family...e-mailed the article to Rush...who knows
41 posted on 05/16/2003 11:45:43 AM PDT by IAmNotAnAnimal
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
I note that the poll survey button is not working, and I can't get the 'results' to post either. Any body get any numbers before they shut it down?
42 posted on 05/16/2003 11:46:36 AM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: stands2reason
That's bogus. Parents are always getting kids out of class for everything--trips of all kind. If schools are given proper advance notice--a necessary courtesy--there is no reason why a student should not be allowed to make up work. Either the township or the state should look into this matter a little more closely...
43 posted on 05/16/2003 11:47:33 AM PDT by twigs
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To: randog
Boy, you have that one nailed.
44 posted on 05/16/2003 11:47:46 AM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal

I have the solution to this problem: Have the President send the school a absense note for her!


45 posted on 05/16/2003 11:48:12 AM PDT by ReaganandDubyaForever
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal; BSunday
Welcome to FR, IAmNotAnAnimal!
You *do* know that the new guy has to bring the donuts and coffee, right?
46 posted on 05/16/2003 11:48:13 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29 (The latest version of my TagLine will be available for viewing after 2:00MST.)
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To: SJackson
Thank you. Voted.
47 posted on 05/16/2003 11:48:56 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Mo1
The schools are here do. It is one of the things they complain about because of its frequency and the disruption to class that it causes.
48 posted on 05/16/2003 11:49:46 AM PDT by twigs
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Contrast this with a Gore school event in 2000. Gore came to town, the school sent all the kids home. Children of county political dems were brought in to populate a few classrooms. Gore spent about 45 minutes at the school on his way to a fundraiser. The taxpayers picked up the cost of his flight on AF-2, the motorcades, etc.
49 posted on 05/16/2003 11:50:15 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal

This is Super Keene


50 posted on 05/16/2003 11:50:32 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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