O:K Guys and Gals I just read on the dreaded other web site tha Cnn ran a retraction of their false report on assault weapons. I did not see it does anyone else know any details.
No doubt, as it originally cost just a bit over $100 when I bought it in 1992 at Woolworth's. I was referring to the actual power and performance aspects. Of course, anything that would be on the recieving end of any of those barrels woould end up having a bad day.
Hell yea. For 120$ you can buy a sweet lil Yugoslavian SKS that'll shoot at about 4-5 MOA right out the cosmoline with milsurp 123 gr ammo with an effective range of 200-300 yards.
Also it's been shown that the FMJ 7.62 has more power over 100 yards than the 30-30 SP.
The SKS has a dirty reputation but it's still a reliable and fun gun to fire.
It's the rifle the stoked my love affair with milsurp weaponry. I'm even working on building up one on a nice Choate stock. Everyone I talk to is getting in on the act with the SKS.
I still have a few CNNLIES bumper stickers that I haven't found a suitable place for.
I would guess that caliber in it's recent incarnations from SKS to AK-47 has been responsible for more battlefield kills than any other cartridge.
Very reliable cache weapon for the money.
ah nevermind. Got it.
In fact I did as much the other day. Got some baranaul for 84$/case
Considering how many SKS's and AK-47's, et. al. that have been produced, I'd say you're right. I've heard they've been used in every continent and nearly every conflict since they were introduced. The Chinese model I have scared the crap out of my vet brother-in-law the first time we all went out to the range and I emptied a couple 30 rd. clips at the targets. He said he'd had a flashback to 'Nam and I was lucky he didn't wax my arse.
Here's a transcript of the LaPierre interview that was just forwarded to me by a friend:
STANDING UP FOR THE TRUTH . . . A CNN story reported live last week, during Wolf Blitzer Reports on May 16th, set out to depict the "difference" between pre-1994 semi-automatic firearms and those legal for current manufacture. It was part of a story about the so-called "assault weapons" ban that will expire in September 2004. What actually happened was that Miami-based reporter John Zarella presented a very distorted comparison with a sheriff's deputy firing a fully automatic AK-47 into cinder blocks. The cinder blocks were destroyed and viewers were told the machine gun was the type of firearm banned in 1994. A tirade of angry viewers upset with the deception caused CNN to invite NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre onto the cable network (read the transcript of the lively interchange), and he proceeded to compare CNN with the New York Times, which recently fired a reporter discovered to have invented facts in his stories. A group of South Florida firearm owners insisted that CNN re-do the story with careful attention to the truth. The new story is supposed to air sometime this evening on CNN, probably during Wolf Blitzer Reports at 5 p.m. EDT. CNN is also running a public opinion poll where you can let them know how you feel about continuing the ban on semi-automatic firearms.
Well, in defense of assault weapons, the head of the NRA explains they why they shouldn't be banned by Congress. ....
PHILLIPS: Viewers are speaking out on a segment we aired yesterday concerning the federal ban on assault weapons. The 1994 ban could expire in September 2004 if Congress doesn't extend it. ....
BERNARD PARKS, FORMER L.A. POLICE CHIEF: There's only one reason for it and you cannot hunt with it. It's only one reason and that is that it kills people. It's a military weapon. It should be kept in a military arsenal and out of the domestic society.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PHILLIPS: Now we give you the other side from the executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, Wayne LaPierre
Wayne, thanks for being with us.
WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, NRA: Hi, Kyra. Good to be with you.
PHILLIPS: Well, if the ban on assault weapons expires, what kind of weapons would be legal?
LAPIERRE: Kyra, let me say this to start: I'm glad you ran the story because apparently the only difference between "The New York Times" and CNN is that when a reporter for "The New York Times" fakes a story, he's fired, and at CNN he's not.
Your bureau chief, John Zarrella, deliberately faked the story yesterday and intending to show that the performance characteristics of banned firearms on the list are somehow different from the performance characteristics of firearms not on the banned list. He was -- he was implying that these were machine guns or fully automatic guns. That's not true.
PHILLIPS: Mr. LaPierre, I have to stop you there. No one fakes stories at CNN and John Zarrella definitely did not fake a story at CNN. You're very off base. I'm going to let you say your opinion, and let's have a conversation, but don't accuse our reporter of faking any stories, sir.
LAPIERRE: Let me say it again. In front of the whole country, your reporter faked that story yesterday. It deliberately misread...
PHILLIPS: All right, we're going...
LAPIERRE: There's no way it could be true and I challenge CNN to defend it.
PHILLIPS: Well, we're not going to continue this interview because our reporter did not fake...
LAPIERRE: Because you don't want the truth. The truth you don't want out there.
PHILLIPS: OK, that is not true. We did not a fake a story.
LAPIERRE: You ought to register your -- you ought to fill out a lobby form and register.
PHILLIPS: Why don't we ask another question? What are the uses for an assault weapon? Tell me what the uses are for this.
LAPIERRE: Why can't you accept the truth? There is no difference, Kyra, in the performance characteristics of the guns on the banned list and the guns not on the banned list. They don't shoot any faster, they're not more powerful, they're not machine guns, they don't make any bigger holes, all which your reporter, John Zarrella, implied in that story.
PHILLIPS: Let's talk about the ammunition. Folks had problem with the ammunition. We've heard a lot in the last 24 hours from viewers who made the point that it's not the weapons who do the damage, it's the ammo. OK? Can legally be bought, ammunition. Now does this do -- do just as much damage than an illegal weapon?
LAPIERRE: Kyra, they all fire the same ammunition. Why can't you accept the truth? There is no difference in the guns on the banned list and the guns not on the banned list.
Your reporter's story was deliberately misleading the viewers. Bill Clinton deliberately misrepresented the House and the facts to the House of Representatives in the Congress and I don't believe this House of Representatives is going to fall and have the wool pulled over their eyes the way what happened did in '94.
The truth matters. The public needs to hear the truth and the truth is every police officer on the street knows it. There's not a dime worth of difference between the guns on the banned list and the guns off the banned list in terms of their performance characteristics and I challenge CNN again to defend that story to its viewers because it's not true.
PHILLIPS: What do you say...
LAPIERRE: All day yesterday you misled the viewers.
PHILLIPS: What do you say to the members of the law enforcement community that we had on the air who say assault weapons don't belong on the streets?
LAPIERRE: Kyra, I got calls all day yesterday from law enforcement officers going crazy over that story you ran saying it's not true. They were dismayed that there was a law enforcement officer on there lending himself to it.
The story misrepresented the facts. What we need to do to stop crime -- every time you catch a criminal, 100 percent of the time, prosecute him. Put him in prison.
We have all kinds of gun laws. Catch a violent felon with a gun, put him in jail. Catch a violent drug dealer with a gun, put them in jail 100 percent of the time. That's what rank-and-file cops know stops crime. But again, I challenge CNN in the headquarters to take an objective look at that story and defend it because it's simply not true.
PHILLIPS: All right. Executive vice president...
LAPIERRE: "The New York Times" reporter was fired, John Zarrella ought to be fired.
PHILLIPS: Executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, Wayne LaPierre, that's why we are interviewing you today and that's why we're addressing this to show both sides of that story.
And we all stick by John Zarrella and how credible of a reporter he is.
Thank you for your time, sir.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0305/16/wbr.00.html
I have seen fair luck with all makes although the east bloc have the best reps and some of the original Russkie factories bring the high dollar if all matching parts.
I've never seen a Norinco drop a barrel or auto fire accidentally but I've read about it.
You can buy them all day long around here for about 135 bucks...the Yugo models seem to be pretty common right now along with the ubiquitous Norincos.
Lots of Romanian Ak-47 and Ak-74s around too....at about twice the price...all black.
I do not have experience with Mosin-Nagants but they are admired by some as well.
I like Dragonovs but they seem a bit pricey...and that little tube(knitting needle) barrel on some of them does not impress me.
All the old Mauser bolts are also decent cache tools as well ...I have read though about some Indian converted pieces that are dangerous pressure wise...maybe that's the Enfield converts to .308 which are cheap....Isapore(?)
Folks seem to like the Swedish Mausers quite a bit in 6.5mm at the gun shows...again very cheap.
Wish M-1 and M-1As and Garands were as cheap as they used to be.
I've heard good things about the K31 Schmidt. I heard the ammo is a pain to find though.
Some people prefer timepieces...others cars. A well made rifle has a magic all it's own.