Posted on 05/23/2003 3:59:51 PM PDT by unspun
Telepathy is not the ability to "read" someones mind, it is the ability to communicate mental thoughts and to receive mental thoughts silently and with complete understanding.
Under the radar, I have been tested many times by the type of people identified in your referenced article but they were under the impression that a telepath has the ability to read someones mind. That is not how it works. Telepathy is just like speaking but you use your mind, not your mouth. It takes two people to communicate telepathecally, one to send and one to receive.
When I am in large crowds, I receive messages from some people, but I am sure that they are unaware that they are transmitting their thoughts. Much of what I have received has been gibberish but occasionally I receive coherent thought. Fitz, I believe that what you have experienced may have been telepathy. I would encourage you to work with whomever you may have these experiences.
Someday, in the future, all mankind will be telepathic and the world will never be the same. But if you want to see real changes to man's society, wait till they discover time travel.
Again, though, I return to your challenge at post 131:
Sure, we might wish to be dismissive because of the Atlantis retrocognitions - or the new age theology he picked up from his reading with Arthur Lammers (Cayce was very suggestive per his work with Layne.) Some might wish to be dismissive out of hand on the basis that he might have been controlled by demons.
But in the end, on both the Cayce website and on the Christian rebuttal website - the instances of telepathy actually happened and were documented and witnessed by third parties. Seems to me that fits your challenge for verifiable instances of telepathy.
If you wish to dismiss Cayce altogether, fine. Nevertheless, there is much evidence that he was telepathic and no evidence that he committed fraud in that regard, as far as I know.
How can you wait until they discover time travel? If it exists at any time — past, present, or future — then it exists in all times. If someone builds a time machine in the year 3010, then they could give the technology to any period in time. Time travel is not time dependent, IMO.
We'll have to discuss this truth concept. We use truth tables in programming; truth has a value, 1 or 0. Sometimes we want the 0, sometimes the 1. There might be some quantities in our world that also have a truth value of 1, and others that have a truth value of 0. Also, some people might consider a truth value as 1 at some time while others consider it to be 0 at the same time or another time.
Maybe there are some truth values that are considered 1 by everybody forever. Can't think of any of those at the moment, but then it is the political campaign season again.
Do you arrive at the symbol or do you form your mind into approximate analogy with the thoughts of others?
You have well explained what people mean when they say they "think without words." Those who do it in the daytime are those who have never quite figured out the difference between the dream state and the awake state. This goes a long way toward explaining the bizarre and absurd things such people believe.
...dreams and nightmares are symbolic but they are our way of making sense of everything ...
This is no doubt true of the psychotic whose consciousness consists of unexplained and causeless feelings and desires, mystical experiences, and the constant sense of terror that the world is a mysterious and unpredictable nightmare and he is inadequate to deal with it.
For the rational, study and reason are used to comprehend the nature of the world and their own nature. This comprehension is called knowledge. The product of this process is a non-contradictory hierarchy by which rational people "make sense of everything."
It is very sad that in this age people can believe their deepest form of thinking is dreams and nightmares. You did choose the right word, "deep," however. The highest kind of thinking, is that clear, lucid, and cognitive reason that ruthlessly demands truth which can only be understood by means of explicit concepts which are comprehended by means of words, that is, language.
To promote a non-linguistic form of consciousness is to promote a kind of insanity. A non-linguistic consciousness is appropriate to the irrational animals, in human beings, it is sickness.
Hank
What is an "untrue" thought: a thought you do not have? a thought about something that is untrue? or a thought you believe is true, but about which you are mistaken?
Thoughts do not "come from someplace." Thoughts are something we do. We can do them (think) correctly (in which case the thoughts are true) or we can do them incorrectly (in which case the thoughts are untrue.)
So long as you think thoughts are something that happen to you, the simplest things will remain a mystery to you.
Hank
unspun: But let me ask you, why do you want to describe something as nebulous (and even that term is too concrete) as the intentional life of man in concrete terms?
An article such as this one written entirely in vague, undefined, unexampled terms tends to mean different things to anyone who hears it. That was what I noticed about my former colleague's gobbledygook double-talk presentations. He would chatter away--"You create a methodology, test working configurations and baseline them, soon you have a data base of working configurations, then you baseline the methodology itself ..."--and most people would hear whatever they wanted to hear in it.
They could do this because one guy could imagine "methodology" as some management discipline, another as some physical procedure, another as a set of computer command files, another as the actual software of the proposed system, etc. "Baseline" is a noun or a verb as needed and can be almost anything recordable: source files, command files, documents, procedures, etc. (It helped that the guy was good at looking sincere while he double-talked.)
When all the terms in a long paragraph have some very broad range of interpretation, the whole thing essentially doesn't mean anything at all. While many/most people failed to realize that they had been listening to 10 or 15 minutes of pure double-talk, not even the people who really liked the presentation could give me much of an executive summary of what they had heard. What they had actually heard was little more than, "Config management is good discipline and I try to use Softtool's CCC for everything imaginable--far more than what the developers ever intended or would seriously advise--because CCC command language is the only computer language I know."
Possibly ---it can feel that way but I couldn't rule out that subconscious memories work in that kind of example when it's family members or friends ---there could have been something significant on a particular day that you mostly forgot. It used to seem my horse could read my mind --- one time I was thinking about turning on a certain road but then decided I'd just go home ---but the horse turned on that road as if she had read my mind but I've read that what seems like telepathy in horses is only that they're very sensitive to certain cues like shift in body weight or things the rider isn't aware they are doing that communicate their ideas to the horse.
The rational also need to sleep and have that dream sleep. It's not weird stuff ---it's important in how our brains process information. You can be the most logical person but if you three days without sleep, you will start to hallucinate ---brains need the dream state. You can rack your mind all day with a logical problem, but while you're asleep you find the solution ---I don't know how much langage is involved in that. Or sometimes you forget the problem you were trying to solve, your mind is on other things and suddenly the answer just pops up ---like something in your mind or brain was still working on it without you consciously thinking. I'm not saying words and language aren't important ---they are ---we need them to communicate our thoughts with others. But there are a lot of thoughts that aren't in words. Look how songs will pop into your head and you can't get them out. One reason I hate music when I'm put on hold on the telephone is if they play "raindrops keep falling on my head" that melody will play over and over throughout the day in my head. Or at night the smell of smoke might wake you up with immediate wordless thoughts.
Maybe we need both.
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