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To: unspun
That gets to be an ontological question as well as epistemologic. I don't agree that one can make the inductive leap that you make and call it a law of knowledge.

Not accurate at all. I don't rely on induction hardly at all, only in specific cases. In this case I am relying almost totally on deduction. But, granting your point, if you reject the argument, then the word "believe" has no meaning. If you don't exist, there is no one to "believe" anything (ontology). And if you don't have an epistemology, then you don't "know" anything, including what you "believe."

Knowledge is relational

This statement is an absolute, which is dependent upon "Epistemology." So, if what you say is true, then this statement is invalid, since all knowledge is "relational" and the knowledge about "Knowledge is relational" is also relational. Your premise refutes itself.

I believe it may be shown that relationships and the knowledge involved in them run beyond what we understand as the physical functioning of the brain.

I don't care what you "believe." I especially don't want public policy being instituted according to what you "believe." And it isn't possible to demonstrate that anything you understand "runs beyond the physical functioning of the brain." It is not possible to demonstrate that any thought is "beyond the physical funtioning of the brain" - and for you, with your physical brain, to think it.

You have no right to demand that the rest of us live by what you "believe." Especially since none of this can be demonstrated to be "true."

But, thank you for spelling out your own belief about knowledge.

And thank you for spelling out what you don't.

1,282 posted on 02/05/2004 12:01:43 AM PST by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
And thank you for spelling out what you don't.

Exactly! And, you're welcome.

1,283 posted on 02/05/2004 9:07:17 AM PST by unspun (The uncontextualized life is not worth living. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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To: LogicWings; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; logos; Heartlander; Anybody; All; spirit
Knowledge is relational....

This statement is an absolute, which is dependent upon "Epistemology." So, if what you say is true, then this statement is invalid, since all knowledge is "relational" and the knowledge about "Knowledge is relational" is also relational. Your premise refutes itself.

Hardly true, because the relationality of knowledge need not occur soley within a closed loop physical universe. (But of course, you've heard that over and over again, so this is an exercise for amusement.) In fact, I'm told by the source of all, with whom all is either aptly related or dead, that none of us occur solely within a closed loop physical universe. That source Himself is The Premise of course, not that "all knowldedge is relational." All knowledge is simply, like everything else, an effect of what is (or has been) related to God.

I can't take credit for my; you do me much too much honor, LW, no, please don't worship me....

1,284 posted on 02/05/2004 2:51:42 PM PST by unspun (The uncontextualized life is not worth living. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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To: LogicWings; Anybody; All; spirit; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; GigaDittos; Havoc; Bon mots; js1138; ...
Knowledge is relational....

This statement is an absolute, which is dependent upon "Epistemology." So, if what you say is true, then this statement is invalid, since all knowledge is "relational" and the knowledge about "Knowledge is relational" is also relational. Your premise refutes itself.

Oh fiddle dee dee -- because the relationality of knowledge need not occur soley within a closed loop physical universe. (But of course, you've heard that over and over again, so this is an exercise in our amusement.) In fact, lean closer... I'm told by the source of all, with whom all is either aptly related or dead, that none of us occur solely within a closed loop physical universe. That source Himself is The Premise of course, not that "all knowldedge is relational." All knowledge is simply, like everything else, an effect of what is (or has been) related to God.

I can't take credit for my premise; you do me much too much honor, LW, no, please don't worship me....

Neither do I suggest that one imposes the rules of {the order he knows} upon that which very effectively demonstrates that He has fashioned the place we call "order" and as is His want, sets His feet upon that stool. You can ask Him about it, though.

Forgive my metaphor if you will, FRiend.

Hi everybody... though our "tongues will cease," apparently our thinking goes on.

1,285 posted on 02/05/2004 3:06:52 PM PST by unspun (The uncontextualized life is not worth living. | I'm not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate.)
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