Agitprop in action? [Was U.S. SARS Outbreak? Vallejo, California]

5/25.03

[Admin Moderator]

You had some information on Riseup

[Admin Moderator]

FYI.

[Admin Moderator]

Didn't you just have a run in with one of the tentacle groups of the far left? Want to see something else they are into?

[Billy_bob_bob]

Well, shewt. Gettin' to be the only paper you can trust is the National Enquirer.

[TaxRelief]

This is one of Kelly's most revealing rants:

>>> I don't remember whether I got an RFK autograph or just a
>>> handshake when I was a kid and he was campaigning near South Bedford-
>>> Stuyvesant, Brooklyn (where I raised).
>>> I do remember that as I became politicized the political myths
>>> around the Kennedy brothers began to disintegrate.
>>> RFK was Attorney-General (i.e., head honcho in charge of frame-
>>> ups and other aspects of U.S. justice (e.g., early days of
>>> Cointelpro) / J. Edgar Hoover's BOSS), and a world-class witch-hunter
>>> in own right. "That['s what] we have learned now...."!!
>>> While one may debate whether it was RFK's being adamantly pro-
>>> Zionist in speeches and actions that (allegedly) motivated Sirhan B.
>>> Sirhan to fire his fatal shot(s) at RFK, the numbers of people
>>> murdered as a result of RFK's decisions far exceeds just one -- think
>>> about the lynchings / beatings in those times of those who were
>>> (mistakenly or correctly) identified as civil rights activists.
>>> Amazing how political amnesia works as a pill for those who need
>>> something to rationalize supporting / campaigning for the next
>>> liberal who comes down the pike: The witch-hunter extraordinaire, co-
>>> author of the anti-labor Kennedy-Landrum-Griffin Act, initiator of
>>> the embargo, Bay of Pigs and countless other attacks and attempts to
>>> overturn the Revolution in Cuba, the person who came close to blowing
>>> up the planet during the October Crisis (also called the "Cuban
>>> Missile Crisis"), Commander-in-Chief during the incipient years of
>>> the Vietnam War debacle, etc., etc. -- presto-change-o!! -- with use
>>> of much whitewash is painted as the white knight of Camelot.
>>> Rather than reprint some half-baked conspiracy theory of the
>>> reason(s) behind JFK'S assassination (especially one with more
>>> machinations than a Rube Goldberg contraption!), it would be more
>>> fruitful to recall and reprint the poignant comment that Malcolm X
>>> made about that assassination: "The chickens have come home to
>>> roost."
>>>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/change-links/message/16050

[Admin Moderator]

Lots of fun stuff here.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Astraea+Kelly&sa=N&tab=wg

[strela]

The information flowing into this thread has been fascinating. A good lesson to all in the prudence of not flying off the handle and checking sources first.

[Admin Moderator]

Now for a moment, back to Watchman123. I found one of his earliest posts, long before his account became suddenly active within the past few weeks. Someone put a thread up along the lines of "What are your favorite websites". Watchman123 posted a link to a site calling it a "great political site". It was someone's geocities site. I kinda liked the disclaimer at the bottom of it:

DISCLAIMER: The materials provided here are strictly informational only, gathered from various resources. They are based upon publicly available information believed to be reliable but not guaranteed. They are distributed with the understanding that the author is not engaged in rendering financial, medical or any other professional advice. Please consult with a financial, medical and/or other experts before taking any action. The Webmaster is not a broker nor is connected to any company nor receives any commission. Also, please check other similar sites & links to gather sufficient information. This site accepts no responsibility for any errors, omissions, or the results of any actions you might take, based upon the information provided. Some of the information provided may require technical knowledge or specialized training for implementation. We are not responsible for the uninformed, irrational or illegal use of any of the information provided in this site. This site does not advocate or endorse any violence or overthrow of government. It does not hold any Neo-Nazi views.

[TaxRelief]

The creator of that site now refers to himself as "Reverend" but he's still trying to pawn his wares off on unsuspecting visitors to his "great political site".

Watchman 123 has used this same name in other forums.

[BagCamAddict]

FYI, the first post by Watchman123 at the restored thread (HERE) is signed by him... the name is RAYMOND KWONG.

A google search on his name produces all of this, including his own website.

[Coleus]

bttt

[TaxRelief]

How do you know it is him? He makes it sound like the right Reverend Kwong is his friend.

[ladysusan]

Any stats on what "a lot of elderly people" means?


I worked in a 12 bed CCU for seventeen years as an RN. We also took medical cases, not just cardiacs. Every single winter we would get in a half dozen elderly people with pneumonia that would progress to respiratory failure, ARDS, congestive heart failure, MI, and renal failure. Easily 20% of them went on to die. Between December and March, the unit would be full of these cases.

People with underlying cardiac disease, compromised pulmonary function, impaired immunity and/or undetected renal insufficiency succumb to pneumonia much more readily than younger, healthy adults because they develop *so many multisystem complications.* The odds of survival get worse and worse. It all adds up.

SARS sounds like a new variant of a very old syndrome. The problem as I understand it is that the organism causing the pneumonia is a mutation that no one has any immunity to.

How many is "a lot"? I'd say 20% of the patients we had died of the disease. 50% - that's a lot

[Eala]

If SARS is raging in China then it is virtually certain that SARS will be raging in the Bay Area as well, since the population of the Bay Area is largely Asian now.

Haven't been back to the Bay Area in years, but I will note that just north of me, Vancouver B.C., is quite largely Asian, and unlike Toronto there've been no alerts from there. (Unlike the WHO advisory about Toronto that has been/will be re-instated, according to some FR postings.)

[Prince Charles]

Bttt.

[Judith Anne]

bumping to myself.

[BagCamAddict]

Do you mean the google results? I don't know any of those "Raymond Kwong" results are the same "Raymond Kwong" as the one in the Watchman123 post. I misstated when I said "including HIS website." Sorry about that.

[Grampa Dave]

It was in the local fish wrap and seemed to be some very undocumented reporting.