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Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003 (Introduced in House)
http://thomas.loc.gov ^ | May 8, 2003 | US GOVERNMENT

Posted on 05/25/2003 9:17:45 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES May 8, 2003

SEC. 3. ELIMINATION OF SUNSET.

SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISIONS.

SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.

SEC. 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE TRANSFER OF LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.


(Excerpt) Read more at thomas.loc.gov ...


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Ban every gun made to lawfully comply with the Clinton ban. The Clinton ban arbitrarily dictated the kinds of grips, stocks and attachments that new guns could have. Manufacturers complied. New guns were made to conform to the Clinton restrictions. Now prohibitionists want to ban the new guns, too.

Ban guns the Clinton legislation expressly exempted from prohibition. This includes Ruger Mini-14s, Ranch Rifles, and .30 Caliber Carbines, and entire classes of guns, including fixed magazine rifles, as well as shotguns that hold under five rounds.

Ban guns widely used for target shooting. It bans the three center-fire rifles most commonly used for marksmanship competitions: the Colt AR-15, the Springfield M1A, and the M1 "Garand."

Ban all semi-automatic shotguns: Remingtons, Winchesters, Benellis, Berettas, etc., widely used for hunting, trap, skeet, and sporting clays, by banning their receivers (main component).

Ban guns for defense. Bans any semi-automatic rifle or shotgun any U.S. Attorney General one day claims is not "sporting," even though self-defense is a fundamental right and the federal constitution, the constitutions of 44 states, and the laws of all 50 states recognize the right to use guns for defense.


Ban 68 named guns (Clinton ban named 19 guns); Ban parts used to repair or refurbish guns, including frames or receivers; Ban importation of ammunition magazines exempt under Clinton ban; Ban private sales of millions of guns, their frames and receivers, and their parts; Ban semi-automatic rifles under 30" long (useful for home defense); Ban all semi-automatic rifles that can hold more than 10 rounds.


Ban guns rarely used in crime. State and local law enforcement agency reports have always shown that guns on the Clinton and Conyers/McCarthy ban lists have never been used in more than a small percentage of violent crime. The Congressionally-mandated study of the Clinton law concluded that guns it banned "were never used in more than a fraction of all gun murders." But even if they were, are the rights and liberties of law-abiding citizens to be dictated by the acts of criminals?


Begin "backdoor" registration. Requires manufacturers of banned guns, frames, receivers, and parts to report the names of their dealers, and requires dealers to report any of those parts they have in stock. The next step is obvious-demanding the names of gun owners who buy those parts.

Please contact your U.S. Representative at (202) 224-3121 or by using the "Write Your Representatives" feature and urge them to oppose any attempt to keep alive the Clinton gun ban.

1 posted on 05/25/2003 9:17:45 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
FMCDH

BLOAT

RKBA

BTTT

2 posted on 05/25/2003 9:37:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: *bang_list
BANG!
3 posted on 05/25/2003 9:46:19 PM PDT by kAcknor
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
People can write their rep from here:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

I think it's important we write the President as well.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
4 posted on 05/25/2003 9:51:52 PM PDT by visualops (You do have some cheese, don't you? Of course, sir. It's a cheese shop, sir.)
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To: visualops
H.R.2038
Title: To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] (introduced 5/8/2003) Cosponsors: 77
Latest Major Action: 5/8/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.


COSPONSORS(77), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Ackerman, Gary L. - 5/8/2003 [NY-5] Rep Andrews, Robert E. - 5/8/2003 [NJ-1]
Rep Bishop, Timothy H. - 5/8/2003 [NY-1] Rep Blumenauer, Earl - 5/8/2003 [OR-3]
Rep Brady, Robert - 5/8/2003 [PA-1] Rep Brown, Corrine - 5/8/2003 [FL-3]
Rep Capps, Lois - 5/19/2003 [CA-23] Rep Capuano, Michael E. - 5/8/2003 [MA-8]
Rep Carson, Julia - 5/8/2003 [IN-7] Rep Case, Ed - 5/8/2003 [HI-2]
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. - 5/8/2003 [MI-14] Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 5/8/2003 [MD-7]
Rep Davis, Danny K. - 5/8/2003 [IL-7] Rep DeGette, Diana - 5/21/2003 [CO-1]
Rep Delahunt, William D. - 5/8/2003 [MA-10] Rep DeLauro, Rosa L. - 5/8/2003 [CT-3]
Rep Deutsch, Peter - 5/19/2003 [FL-20] Rep Emanuel, Rahm - 5/8/2003 [IL-5]
Rep Engel, Eliot L. - 5/8/2003 [NY-17] Rep Farr, Sam - 5/8/2003 [CA-17]
Rep Fattah, Chaka - 5/8/2003 [PA-2] Rep Frank, Barney - 5/8/2003 [MA-4]
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. - 5/8/2003 [AZ-7] Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. - 5/8/2003 [IL-4]
Rep Harman, Jane - 5/8/2003 [CA-36] Rep Hoeffel, Joseph M. - 5/8/2003 [PA-13]
Rep Holt, Rush D. - 5/8/2003 [NJ-12] Rep Honda, Michael M. - 5/8/2003 [CA-15]
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. - 5/8/2003 [IL-2] Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila - 5/8/2003 [TX-18]
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice - 5/8/2003 [TX-30] Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. - 5/8/2003 [RI-1]
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. - 5/19/2003 [OH-10] Rep Langevin, James R. - 5/8/2003 [RI-2]
Rep Lantos, Tom - 5/21/2003 [CA-12] Rep Lee, Barbara - 5/8/2003 [CA-9]
Rep Lewis, John - 5/8/2003 [GA-5] Rep Lipinski, William O. - 5/8/2003 [IL-3]
Rep Lofgren, Zoe - 5/8/2003 [CA-16] Rep Lowey, Nita M. - 5/8/2003 [NY-18]
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. - 5/8/2003 [NY-14] Rep Markey, Edward J. - 5/8/2003 [MA-7]
Rep McGovern, James P. - 5/8/2003 [MA-3] Rep Meehan, Martin T. - 5/8/2003 [MA-5]
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. - 5/19/2003 [NY-6] Rep Menendez, Robert - 5/8/2003 [NJ-13]
Rep Miller, George - 5/19/2003 [CA-7] Rep Moran, James P. - 5/8/2003 [VA-8]
Rep Nadler, Jerrold - 5/8/2003 [NY-8] Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 5/8/2003 [DC]
Rep Olver, John W. - 5/21/2003 [MA-1] Rep Owens, Major R. - 5/8/2003 [NY-11]
Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr. - 5/8/2003 [NJ-8] Rep Payne, Donald M. - 5/8/2003 [NJ-10]
Rep Rangel, Charles B. - 5/8/2003 [NY-15] Rep Rothman, Steve R. - 5/8/2003 [NJ-9]
Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille - 5/8/2003 [CA-34] Rep Rush, Bobby L. - 5/8/2003 [IL-1]
Rep Sanchez, Linda T. - 5/8/2003 [CA-39] Rep Sanchez, Loretta - 5/8/2003 [CA-47]
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. - 5/8/2003 [IL-9] Rep Shays, Christopher - 5/8/2003 [CT-4]
Rep Sherman, Brad - 5/21/2003 [CA-27] Rep Smith, Christopher H. - 5/8/2003 [NJ-4]
Rep Solis, Hilda L. - 5/8/2003 [CA-32] Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 5/8/2003 [CA-13]
Rep Tauscher, Ellen O. - 5/8/2003 [CA-10] Rep Tierney, John F. - 5/8/2003 [MA-6]
Rep Towns, Edolphus - 5/8/2003 [NY-10] Rep Van Hollen, Chris - 5/8/2003 [MD-8]
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 5/8/2003 [NY-12] Rep Waters, Maxine - 5/8/2003 [CA-35]
Rep Watson, Diane E. - 5/8/2003 [CA-33] Rep Waxman, Henry A. - 5/8/2003 [CA-30]
Rep Weiner, Anthony D. - 5/8/2003 [NY-9] Rep Wexler, Robert - 5/8/2003 [FL-19]
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. - 5/8/2003 [CA-6]

5 posted on 05/25/2003 9:59:53 PM PDT by follow the money
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Ban Homeland Security arms!

Federal agents, since promoted from Ruby Ridge and Mt. Carmel have the powers to protect your families, with MP-5s shown to a little Cuban refugee.
6 posted on 05/25/2003 10:12:38 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
The media will be going ape---- over the next few weeks/months to spotlight any crimes committed by people with "assault weapons." This will only encourage psychos who want media attention to go out and shoot people.
7 posted on 05/25/2003 10:17:45 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Jeff Head
I'm sure it's going to die in the house. This is just window dressing.

What a time to waste the bully pulpit and leadership.

8 posted on 05/25/2003 10:26:10 PM PDT by nunya bidness (It's not an assault weapon, it's a Homeland Defense Rifle.)
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To: follow the money
I see the usual suspects on your list. It looks familiar to the membership role for the Democratic Socialists of America.
9 posted on 05/25/2003 10:43:02 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: nunya bidness
I just finished the last chapter of "A HREF ="http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/"> my novel today, except for the epilogue.

I think you are right about this bill dying, unless there just happens to be a super Columbine "assault rife massacre" some time before it can be voted on.

Then all bets are off, as a dozen or more linguini spined RINOs will run for cover, and sign it.

10 posted on 05/25/2003 11:28:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Nice LINK there, Travis.

Next time, try it in the preview window first.

11 posted on 05/25/2003 11:32:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Myrddin
They are very kind to provide such a handy list.
12 posted on 05/25/2003 11:33:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Google Dr. Rebecca Peters and stand by for the next massacre.

She's in DC and at the helm of the VPC. There's a bad movie on one of the Turner stations about the North Hollywood shootout (tons of "assault rifles") and it'll give the grabbers attention. In addition, there's the CNN hatchet job sponsored by the Broward County sheriff.

It will happen for real or on the small screen and that's all the public needs to see. This puppy is not going away soon.

13 posted on 05/25/2003 11:35:42 PM PDT by nunya bidness (It's not an assault weapon, it's a Homeland Defense Rifle.)
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To: nunya bidness
I hope that my book deflates the effects of a contrived "assault rifle massacre."

Our side will be able to point to it and say, "Yeah right. We saw this coming a mile away."

14 posted on 05/25/2003 11:38:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Wishful thinking. She's dug in with the Soros crowd deeper than an Alabama tick. They're going to make hay out of this one and most efforts are getting derailed because the House Republican leadership has indicated that it will get spiked.

Keep those cards and letters coming. This one is going to be a barn burner. And an election year issue.

15 posted on 05/25/2003 11:48:09 PM PDT by nunya bidness (It's not an assault weapon, it's a Homeland Defense Rifle.)
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To: nunya bidness
It's going to be interesting to watch it play out. There are more jokers and wild cards in this deck than anything else.
16 posted on 05/25/2003 11:52:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
To all those who hate the Second Amendment:

Keep your laws off our firearms!


17 posted on 05/26/2003 5:27:22 AM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Had to know this was coming... The -so called- "Patriot Act" was only the first step..
Is Bush better than Gore would have been? Probably, but on the flip side of that coin, would the Republicans have let Gore get away with the erosion of our civil liberties that has takekn place under Bush-Ashcroft? Not without a fight..
18 posted on 05/26/2003 5:38:17 AM PDT by m&maz
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
It's for the children senior citizens pigs er, uh, Law Enforcement!
19 posted on 05/26/2003 7:17:31 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: Travis McGee
They are very kind to provide such a handy list.

Gee, I wonder what that means? :>)

To paraphrase Patton, "Bracken, I previewed your book!"

20 posted on 05/27/2003 7:56:42 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr
I hope it never comes to that. We're already on their lists, so its fitting they should provide us with some.
21 posted on 05/27/2003 10:51:37 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; ...
Howdy, y'all. Vacation's over; looks like the bad guys didn't take any time off. No surprise, really, so it's back in the saddle.


22 posted on 05/28/2003 5:37:28 AM PDT by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: nunya bidness
Bush could have kept his mouth shut and not encouraged them, but no, he had to open it for the two votes that it brought in thinking that no matter what he does that HE is better than the alternative.

A few words for you Mr. President, "Who is John Galt"?
23 posted on 05/28/2003 5:43:39 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Joe Brower
Glad it was a vacation, I thought you might have burned out. (Oh Slim of little faith....)
24 posted on 05/28/2003 5:45:16 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (WWJCD? What would Jeff Cooper do?)
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To: Joe Brower
Darn and I wanted to stay on holiday a while longer too.

The battle really never ends ever........
26 posted on 05/28/2003 5:55:08 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: follow the money
Yeah, look at that cast of characters in post 5. You are judged by the company you keep.

Let your congresscritter know how you feel, and often.

27 posted on 05/28/2003 5:59:04 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: Myrddin
I see the usual suspects on your list. It looks familiar to the membership role for the Democratic Socialists of America.
Yup, all of the usual suspect RATS.
28 posted on 05/28/2003 6:14:13 AM PDT by wjcsux
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower; Squantos
I just finished the last chapter of "A HREF ="http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/"> my novel today

I gotta say Travis, "A HREF ="http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/"> is the most interesting name of a book I've ever heard. I think I'll buy a copy just to get to the meaning of the cryptic title!

29 posted on 05/28/2003 6:15:53 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: TLBSHOW; Joe Brower
The battle really never ends ever........

Nope.....gotta vote and BLOAT !.......Stay Safe !

30 posted on 05/28/2003 6:16:18 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Bush could have kept his mouth shut and not encouraged them, but no, he had to open it for the two votes that it brought in thinking that no matter what he does that HE is better than the alternative.

How do you get cockroaches to come out? Smoke 'em out.
Every one, and I mean EVERY one of the Dumocraps that have thought they were smarter than Bush has been shown to have egg on their face, and crow for dinner.

How many times has he been underestimated?
The AWB will be a cornerstone for those who want real change in the gun-laws. Over time gun-owners have been marginilzed, demonized and held up as tobacco-chewing, redneck, uneducated, hillbillies. Those listed have kept this up for years.

Now, we have a convieneint list of those that want more socialism, even more restrictions on firearms, and will only show themselves as inept, and insignificant as possible. The Democrats have no platform, no real issue they can sway the public with to bring them back to the Democrap fold. Hispanics, family oriented, conservative to a point will look to the party that wants to help them succeed in life, not be captive to a social program. The Dumocraps have little to offer.

Time for people in the districts to voice their opinions about their Representatives and give them the boot.

31 posted on 05/28/2003 6:27:21 AM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Now prohibitionists want to ban the new guns, too.

Seems reasonable. Republicans are in charge of everything now, the way Democrats were the first time, and Republicans are smarter than Democrats. They know enough to ban the things for their effect, not their scary appearance.

Yesterday at the range I was talking to a new AK variant owner ( a great guy, ex Army Ranger). The conversation came down to wound characteristics of the 7.62 and .223 bullets. I mentioned the difference in destructiveness of the bullets in a person with a torso shot (.223 is more destructive) and the difference in energy and penetration (7.62 is more potent). He made some minor disclaiming statement that indicated he wasn't considering this use of the weapon, and I basically said something like: "Get real. Everyone that buys one of these type of weapons has it in the back of their mind that it may be needed for use against hastiles at some point". He sort of sheepishly agreed. I say it's time to drop all this "sporting purposes", and "hunting purposes" crap and get real and be very public about it. These guns are for use to defend a Free State from takover by hostiles (domestic, foreign or whatever), not for target competition. This is why we have them, this why we should have them, this is the only legitimate constitutional reason to have them. We need to quit being ashamed of ourselves for supporting the ideology and principles of the founding fathers that Government is a servant to be controlled by the people, with arms if all other means fail, and not the other way around. I think we would see more of the go-alongs of the anti-gun crowd sway to our side if we did so. Maybe American MEN would quit being ashamed to be men, FREE MEN, if we did. We need to stand up publicly as FREE MEN, as CITIZENS instead of subjects, and we will find others joining us in multitudes again.

IMO, FWIW

32 posted on 05/28/2003 6:28:36 AM PDT by templar
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To: follow the money
Wow, my RINO rep. hasn't signed on yet. I'll give his staff a call.
33 posted on 05/28/2003 6:38:43 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Pistolshot
Bush had better be working behind the scenes to make sure that he never has to cash that check he just wrote or he will become another one term wonder.
34 posted on 05/28/2003 6:39:45 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Travis McGee
Bump to check out the book later.
35 posted on 05/28/2003 6:39:59 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: templar
We need to stand up publicly as FREE MEN, as CITIZENS instead of subjects, and we will find others joining us in multitudes again.

Nope. That kind of talk scares the majority of people off into the arms of the gun-grabbers.

What we need to do is tailor our message to the audience. Look at what the gun-grabbers have done; they've told the hunters that their deer rifles are safe (they're not, but the grabbers' honesty is another issue), they've told the soccer moms that no one needs an Evil Black Rifle, and they've (correctly) ignored the Free Citizen firebreathers as not having enough people to make a difference.

The vast majority of Americans don't have knowledge about firearms and their proper role. Since they're ignorant, they're easily frightened of firearms. We must gently educate them - "Hey, we firearms enthusiasts are just like you except instead of (say) golfing, we shoot on the range." This Free Citizen From My Cold Dead Hands Water The Tree Of Liberty Crouch Down And Lick The Hand That Feeds You Let Posterity Forget Ye Were Our Countrymen stuff only serves to alienate the majority of voters from being friendly to firearms owners.

36 posted on 05/28/2003 6:58:30 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Everyone who is against this bill should have the understanding that if THEY personally don't do something to prevent it, it will pass.

The mindset should be that it's not up to the anti's or the President or Congress. It's totally up to them if we can get this law sunsetted.
37 posted on 05/28/2003 7:29:02 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Joe Brower
Welcome back, bro. Yeah, the gun grabbers are still at it, and the Pubbie Pollyannas are still repeating the "this'll never make it through the House" mantra. Nice to see some things never change, eh?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

38 posted on 05/28/2003 9:42:06 AM PDT by wku man
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To: follow the money; Travis McGee; Squantos; Joe Brower
Here's her opening statement...you bunch of criminals...

SPEECH OF
HON. CAROLYN McCARTHY
OF NEW YORK
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
THURSDAY, MAY 8, 2003

39 posted on 05/28/2003 9:50:41 AM PDT by in the Arena
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To: follow the money; bang_list; Joe Brower
COSPONSORS(77), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
Rep Ackerman, Gary L. ... .

Looks like it's time to publish another deck of cards of weasels and enemies of Americans....

-archy-/-

40 posted on 05/28/2003 10:34:57 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: in the Arena
Here's her opening statement...you bunch of criminals...

SPEECH OF 
HON. CAROLYN McCARTHY

McCarthyism! The Democrats are McCarthyites!


41 posted on 05/28/2003 10:38:19 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Pistolshot
Yes we all know it's a "White House Strategy"!
42 posted on 05/28/2003 12:12:19 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: in the Arena
If by some fluke this drooling imbecile gets her way (say, after a well-timed super-Columbine) she will ignite the second civil war.
43 posted on 05/28/2003 1:31:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: AAABEST
You simply can't imagine the sleepless nights I passed trying to get the title of "A HREF ="http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/">

just exactly right, down to the last /.

44 posted on 05/28/2003 1:33:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Chemist_Geek
" That kind of talk scares the majority of people off into the arms of the gun-grabbers."

Well, yer DEAD right....but the scary thing is that this attitude is created and then nurtured along with those "democratic ideals" like worship of the United nations in every public school in the land as part of a carefully structured curriculum. I know, I've spent the last fifteen years in a public school system fighting this evil AGENDA. In fact, my final exams essay question for my senior sociology class next week is going to be:

"What is the difference between an ISSUE and an AGENDA, and how can not knowing this affect your life?"

We have discussed the 2nd Amendment quite a bit in class this semester. I make it clear that I'm a Life Member of the NRA and an NRA certified firearms instructor. I'm very careful not to push my agenda on these kids and they're very aware of this by my conduct in class, welcoming all students who wish to voice contrary opinions without prejudice to their grades. By everything I have seen, this teaching strategy works wonders when it comes to being an "eye opening experience."

BTW, the short answer to this question is:

"With an ISSUE you get all sides and all arguments. With an AGENDA you only get ONE side...that which the promulgating authority wishes you to act upon!"

45 posted on 05/28/2003 2:30:16 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1911A1: The ORIGINAL "Point and Click" interface!)
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To: templar; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; Shooter 2.5
Trying to decide whether to purchase one of these horrible weapons. Need to decide between 7.62, .223 and .308. I have a very nice scoped (6.5x24) .308, er, deer rifle.

Do I go for a semi-auto that uses the same round or is there a good reason to go with one of the other calibers?

46 posted on 05/28/2003 3:32:12 PM PDT by Abundy
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To: Abundy
I'm kind of partial to the AR-15 in .223.

That way you can shoot high power rifle in the service rifle category.
47 posted on 05/28/2003 3:36:03 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Abundy
Take your pick! I like 5.56mm, but there is much to say for getting a semiauto in your bolt caliber.
48 posted on 05/28/2003 3:39:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: nunya bidness
It will happen for real or on the small screen and that's all the public needs to see.

It will happen after the AWB is allowed to die. Then they will introduce an even stronger California-style prohibition and all the weak RINOS will vote for it with lots of "See, I told you so's" all around. Remember the reaction to Dunblane, Port Arthur, and École Polytechnique. It's coming here.

49 posted on 05/28/2003 3:43:11 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Travis McGee
Please don't give the Dims any new ideas.
50 posted on 05/28/2003 3:44:10 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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