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To: jimt
Well, kinda.

People who are in the state of mortal sin may NOT receive the sacraments (except confession.) Excommunication is applied only in a few specific instances, such as participation in abortion, open heresy, etc.

So technically the woman is not excommunicated.
55 posted on 05/27/2003 12:30:56 PM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: ninenot
So technically the woman is not excommunicated.

Please note I didn't say she was.

But isn't excommunication a proper action for the church to take if:

1) a person repeatedly commits a mortal sin;
2) is unrepentant;
3) makes his/her sin known to others;
4) advocates that the sin is not a sin at all, both within and without the church, regardless of the church's teachings ?

I understand repentance and redemption, but in an egregious case of a non-repentant continuing mortal sinner, those things don't seem to apply until the behavior stops and the sin is repented of.

57 posted on 05/27/2003 12:55:58 PM PDT by jimt
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To: ninenot; jimt; Man_of_Reason
Technically she has not been excommunicated, jimt. But she certainly can be excommunicated, ninenot.

She has caused public scandal by openly living in a sexually perverted and evil manner.

Such public scandal can be punished by excommunication if the ordinary sees fit to do so.

MoR, your arguments are specious. The pastor violated his trust by hiring her (if he knew) or not firing her (if he found out later). The bishop is not necessarily at fault for assuming that a local pastor was doing his job properly and not hiring vicious sexual perverts.

Moreover, if her job was that of catechesis, what are the chances of her having done her job properly and thereby deserving an "award" for her work? Very slim. I can't imagine she gave a forceful and correct exposition of Church teaching on the evils of sexual perversion.

Further, your analogy of nonpayment is ridiculous on its face. I doubt the terms of her employment specified that she would be given specific awards - withholding an award from this perverted hypocrite is hardly equivalent to withholding wages.

71 posted on 05/28/2003 7:04:31 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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