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The Case For War Is Blown Apart
Independent UK ^ | 05-29-03

Posted on 05/29/2003 9:33:31 AM PDT by Brian S

By Ben Russell and Andy McSmith in Kuwait City

29 May 2003

Tony Blair stood accused last night of misleading Parliament and the British people over Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, and his claims that the threat posed by Iraq justified war.

Robin Cook, the former foreign secretary, seized on a "breathtaking" statement by the US Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, that Iraq's weapons may have been destroyed before the war, and anger boiled over among MPs who said the admission undermined the legal and political justification for war.

Mr Blair insisted yesterday he had "absolutely no doubt at all about the existence of weapons of mass destruction".

But Mr Cook said the Prime Minister's claims that Saddam could deploy chemical or biological weapons within 45 minutes were patently false. He added that Mr Rumsfeld's statement "blows an enormous gaping hole in the case for war made on both sides of the Atlantic" and called for MPs to hold an investigation.

Meanwhile, Labour rebels threatened to report Mr Blair to the Speaker of the Commons for the cardinal sin of misleading Parliament - and force him to answer emergency questions in the House.

Mr Rumsfeld ignited the row in a speech in New York, declaring: "It is ... possible that they [Iraq] decided that they would destroy them prior to a conflict and I don't know the answer."

Speaking in the Commons before the crucial vote on war, Mr Blair told MPs that it was "palpably absurd" to claim that Saddam had destroyed weapons including 10,000 litres of anthrax, up to 6,500 chemical munitions; at least 80 tons of mustard gas, sarin, botulinum toxin and "a host of other biological poisons".

But Mr Cook said yesterday: "We were told Saddam had weapons ready for use within 45 minutes. It's now 45 days since the war has finished and we have still not found anything.

"It is plain he did not have that capacity to threaten us, possibly did not have the capacity to threaten even his neighbours, and that is profoundly important. We were, after all, told that those who opposed the resolution that would provide the basis for military action were in the wrong.

"Perhaps we should now admit they were in the right."

Speaking as he flew into Kuwait before a morale-boosting visit to British troops in Iraq today, Mr Blair said: "Rather than speculating, let's just wait until we get the full report back from our people who are interviewing the Iraqi scientists.

"We have already found two trailers that both our and the American security services believe were used for the manufacture of chemical and biological weapons."

He added: "Our priorities in Iraq are less to do with finding weapons of mass destruction, though that is obviously what a team is charged with doing, and they will do it, and more to do with humanitarian and political reconstruction."

Peter Kilfoyle, the anti-war rebel and former Labour defence minister, said he was prepared to report Mr Blair to the Speaker of the Commons for misleading Parliament. Mr Kilfoyle, whose Commons motion calling on Mr Blair to publish the evidence backing up his claims about Saddam's arsenal has been signed by 72 MPs, warned: "This will not go away. The Government ought to publish whatever evidence they have for the claims they made."

Paul Keetch, the Liberal Democrat defence spokesman, said: "No weapons means no threat. Without WMD, the case for war falls apart. It would seem either the intelligence was wrong and we should not rely on it, or, the politicians overplayed the threat. Even British troops who I met in Iraq recently were sceptical about the threat posed by WMD. Their lives were put at risk in order to eliminate this threat - we owe it to our troops to find out if that threat was real."

But Bernard Jenkin, the shadow Defence Secretary, said: "I think it is too early to rush to any conclusions at this stage; we must wait and see what the outcome actually is of these investigations."

Ministers have pointed to finds of chemical protection suits and suspected mobile biological weapons laboratories as evidence of Iraq's chemical and biological capability. But they have also played down the importance of finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Earlier this month, Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, provoked a storm of protest after claiming weapons finds were "not crucially important".

The Government has quietly watered down its claims, now arguing only that the Iraqi leader had weapons at some time before the war broke out.

Tony Benn, the former Labour minister, told LBC Radio: "I believe the Prime Minister lied to us and lied to us and lied to us. The whole war was built upon falsehood and I think the long-term damage will be to democracy in Britain. If you can't believe what you are told by ministers, the whole democratic process is put at risk. You can't be allowed to get away with telling lies for political purposes."

Alan Simpson, Labour MP for Nottingham South, said MPs "supported war based on a lie". He said: "If it's right Iraq destroyed the weapons prior to the war, then it means Iraq complied with the United Nations resolution 1441."

The former Labour minister Glenda Jackson added: "If the creators of this war are now saying weapons of mass destruction were destroyed before the war began, then all the government ministers who stood on the floor in the House of Commons adamantly speaking of the immediate threat are standing on shaky ground."

The build-up to war: What they said

Intelligence leaves no doubt that Iraq continues to possess and conceal lethal weapons

George Bush, Us President 18 March, 2003

We are asked to accept Saddam decided to destroy those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd

Tony Blair, Prime Minister 18 March, 2003

Saddam's removal is necessary to eradicate the threat from his weapons of mass destruction

Jack Straw, Foreign Secretary 2 April, 2003

Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I suggest they wait a bit

Tony Blair 28 April, 2003

It is possible Iraqi leaders decided they would destroy them prior to the conflict

Donald Rumsfeld, US Defence Secretary 28 May, 2003


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
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To: Alberta's Child
I am wary about the occupation of Iraq. I read press reports about things going badly in Iraq with a jaundiced eye- being aware that the media is generally Anti Bush and ovrplays events consistently (remember the "quagmire" reports during the war because some supply columns were attacked behind the front lines?) But the lights still ain't on fully in Baghdad and there seems to be some merit to the claims of confusion and lack of planning for post war Iraq (which is disturbing since it should have been the highest priority). Further - we are suffering about 1 KIA a day due to hostile action. I am also concerned that DoD is issuing blueprints for remaking Iraqi society! I sure hope this ain't a "Best and Brightest" operation.
221 posted on 05/29/2003 6:52:46 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Stone Mountain
When you say the REAL strategic reasons for the overthrow of Hussein, you are implying that the reasons our leaders gave to us for going to war aren't real?

I am saying that what was given was the legal justification for military action. Do you think we should hand out outlines of our strategy in the war against international terrorism?

222 posted on 05/29/2003 7:30:17 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Alberta's Child
Starting to sound more like a frog more than a freeper but that is strictly my opinion...back to the facts. Former IMPEACHED President of the U.S.A. is a has been. No sense in chasing a common scoundrel when you can take down the one of the world's worst despotic criminal regimes.
We have a very QUALIFIED President now in the White house now and he is solving current problems for The World's Greatest country, amongst many other things on his plate.
Besides, you currently have a Clinton for your PM at this time, don't you?
223 posted on 05/29/2003 8:10:17 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking
What the hell are you talking about?
224 posted on 05/29/2003 8:11:15 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
Why don't you have the guts to just out and say "I hate Bush, it's an obsession with me." And while you're at it "I have to say I hate America with a passion". At least you would be honest by doing that.
225 posted on 05/29/2003 8:12:35 PM PDT by zip
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To: Issaquahking
you currently have a Clinton for your PM at this time, don't you?

You caught it too. Alberta is in Canada alright.

226 posted on 05/29/2003 8:15:52 PM PDT by zip
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To: Alberta's Child
I was just responding to an earlier post you posted to me, little hostile in this response aren't you? Was hoping for some intelligent dialog on the follow up, perhaps I was wrong.
227 posted on 05/29/2003 8:32:15 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking; zip
Besides, you currently have a Clinton for your PM at this time, don't you?

Sorry for the hostile response. You might want to check my profile page, though. LOL.

P.S. I think George W. Bush is doing just fine. But I'll hold his feet to the fire when something just doesn't smell right to me. And in the case of Iraq, something just doesn't smell right to me.

228 posted on 05/29/2003 8:38:34 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: hchutch
To me, the mobile labs are a smoking gun.

They have yet to find any evidence of a mobile chem and bio weapons lab. Even those crazies on Fox News, are now saying that whatever they are finding could be (as in possible use) mobile labs. The administration is so totally discredited and caught up in their own lies, that they are now saying cleaning supply closets are "possible" weapons of mass destruction. "Look, we found a gal of bleach and some toilet bowl cleaner today. Very serious."

Richard W.

229 posted on 05/29/2003 8:57:06 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: Brian S
What Bush should say:
You are right. There was no case for war. I made the whole thing up. The "Weapons-of-mass-destruction" thing was all invented by the CIA to scare people. I deliberately lied to the American people.

But I will make things right. We will withdraw all American forces from Iraq, but not until we've restored Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath Party to power. And we will make sure China, Russia, and France get their oil contracts. It's only fair.

We apologize for the so-called "liberation" of a people who should be grateful for the strong leadership of Saddam Hussein, a true "man of peace." We want to make it up to the Iraqis in every way possible. We will do everything we can to make sure they are happy, and ruled by their rightful Ba'athist government.

Okay, that was all sarcasm. The Saddamites who don't like a free Iraq can BITE ME. Except they can't bite me because I will shoot anyone who tries to bite me (well, anyone who's not a child--once this 5-year-old kid bit me, and I didn't want to shoot him)
230 posted on 05/29/2003 9:02:12 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Alberta's Child
Looked at your page earlier. Western Canada is beautiful, and I have spent quite a bit of time traveling through there and the NWT.
What is amazing to me as a property rights activist is that western Canada (that's Saskash west to the coast) and western U.S.A. (from Denver west to the coast, we'll take Texas too)) have much more in common than Western USA does with Eastern USA. So I think the line was drawn wrong dividing the two countries. The line should have been from Northern Sask. to Eastern Edge of Texas. West depends on natural resource production to survive while the East tries to tell the west what to do.
We may diaagree on Iraq but I support the action so far; we have a long ways to go, and the facts after it is all said and done will support "W" in the end, including the lead in to the intial actions that lead us to attack Iraq.
231 posted on 05/29/2003 9:04:17 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking
Sorry about that -- I should have been more clear. I live in New Jersey, not Alberta! (though I did live out there for a couple of years recently). LOL.
232 posted on 05/30/2003 3:40:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
Were you against the invasion of Afghanistan?

Not at all. The background of the Taliban government was a lot more complex than most people realize, though. And part of the reason for its rise to power was the ignorance and benign neglect on the part of the United States. It is events like Afghanistan that make me scrutinize U.S. military action so closely, because we rarely seem to do things effectively when it comes to long-term thinking.

Yes but why weren't you against our focus on the Taliban, when the terrorists were from lots of countries?

233 posted on 05/30/2003 9:13:48 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
Yes but why weren't you against our focus on the Taliban, when the terrorists were from lots of countries?

The Taliban government was built out of the remnants of those non-Afghan Muslims who had gone to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. I wasn't opposed to the invasion of Afghanistan itself, but I do have a lot of concerns about how the U.S. has been carrying out its mission there. Rooting a bunch of peasants out of the mountains of Afghanistan isn't going to do much for our "war on terror" -- the focus has to be on those non-Afghan Muslim fanatics who have made that country a haven for terrorism.

234 posted on 05/30/2003 9:23:17 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: DannyTN
That the WMD programs were or were not to the readiness stage to launch attacks is not the only justification for taking Saddam out.

Excellent point. The idea that we should wait until it's too late rather than strike at a point that will make it impossible for those weapons to be used against us is insane.

235 posted on 05/31/2003 5:34:50 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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