The Case For War Is Blown Apart

Independent UK ^ | 05-29-03

[Burkeman1]

I am wary about the occupation of Iraq. I read press reports about things going badly in Iraq with a jaundiced eye- being aware that the media is generally Anti Bush and ovrplays events consistently (remember the "quagmire" reports during the war because some supply columns were attacked behind the front lines?) But the lights still ain't on fully in Baghdad and there seems to be some merit to the claims of confusion and lack of planning for post war Iraq (which is disturbing since it should have been the highest priority). Further - we are suffering about 1 KIA a day due to hostile action. I am also concerned that DoD is issuing blueprints for remaking Iraqi society! I sure hope this ain't a "Best and Brightest" operation.

[Trailerpark Badass]

When you say the REAL strategic reasons for the overthrow of Hussein, you are implying that the reasons our leaders gave to us for going to war aren't real?

I am saying that what was given was the legal justification for military action. Do you think we should hand out outlines of our strategy in the war against international terrorism?

[Issaquahking]

Starting to sound more like a frog more than a freeper but that is strictly my opinion...back to the facts. Former IMPEACHED President of the U.S.A. is a has been. No sense in chasing a common scoundrel when you can take down the one of the world's worst despotic criminal regimes.
We have a very QUALIFIED President now in the White house now and he is solving current problems for The World's Greatest country, amongst many other things on his plate.
Besides, you currently have a Clinton for your PM at this time, don't you?

[Alberta's Child]

What the hell are you talking about?

[zip]

Why don't you have the guts to just out and say "I hate Bush, it's an obsession with me." And while you're at it "I have to say I hate America with a passion". At least you would be honest by doing that.

[zip]

you currently have a Clinton for your PM at this time, don't you?

You caught it too. Alberta is in Canada alright.

[Issaquahking]

I was just responding to an earlier post you posted to me, little hostile in this response aren't you? Was hoping for some intelligent dialog on the follow up, perhaps I was wrong.

[Alberta's Child]

Besides, you currently have a Clinton for your PM at this time, don't you?

Sorry for the hostile response. You might want to check my profile page, though. LOL.

P.S. I think George W. Bush is doing just fine. But I'll hold his feet to the fire when something just doesn't smell right to me. And in the case of Iraq, something just doesn't smell right to me.

[arete]

To me, the mobile labs are a smoking gun.

They have yet to find any evidence of a mobile chem and bio weapons lab. Even those crazies on Fox News, are now saying that whatever they are finding could be (as in possible use) mobile labs. The administration is so totally discredited and caught up in their own lies, that they are now saying cleaning supply closets are "possible" weapons of mass destruction. "Look, we found a gal of bleach and some toilet bowl cleaner today. Very serious."

Richard W.

[xm177e2]

What Bush should say:

You are right. There was no case for war. I made the whole thing up. The "Weapons-of-mass-destruction" thing was all invented by the CIA to scare people. I deliberately lied to the American people.

But I will make things right. We will withdraw all American forces from Iraq, but not until we've restored Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath Party to power. And we will make sure China, Russia, and France get their oil contracts. It's only fair.

We apologize for the so-called "liberation" of a people who should be grateful for the strong leadership of Saddam Hussein, a true "man of peace." We want to make it up to the Iraqis in every way possible. We will do everything we can to make sure they are happy, and ruled by their rightful Ba'athist government.

Okay, that was all sarcasm. The Saddamites who don't like a free Iraq can BITE ME. Except they can't bite me because I will shoot anyone who tries to bite me (well, anyone who's not a child--once this 5-year-old kid bit me, and I didn't want to shoot him)

[Issaquahking]

Looked at your page earlier. Western Canada is beautiful, and I have spent quite a bit of time traveling through there and the NWT.
What is amazing to me as a property rights activist is that western Canada (that's Saskash west to the coast) and western U.S.A. (from Denver west to the coast, we'll take Texas too)) have much more in common than Western USA does with Eastern USA. So I think the line was drawn wrong dividing the two countries. The line should have been from Northern Sask. to Eastern Edge of Texas. West depends on natural resource production to survive while the East tries to tell the west what to do.
We may diaagree on Iraq but I support the action so far; we have a long ways to go, and the facts after it is all said and done will support "W" in the end, including the lead in to the intial actions that lead us to attack Iraq.

[Alberta's Child]

Sorry about that -- I should have been more clear. I live in New Jersey, not Alberta! (though I did live out there for a couple of years recently). LOL.

[lasereye]

Were you against the invasion of Afghanistan?

Not at all. The background of the Taliban government was a lot more complex than most people realize, though. And part of the reason for its rise to power was the ignorance and benign neglect on the part of the United States. It is events like Afghanistan that make me scrutinize U.S. military action so closely, because we rarely seem to do things effectively when it comes to long-term thinking.

Yes but why weren't you against our focus on the Taliban, when the terrorists were from lots of countries?

[Alberta's Child]

Yes but why weren't you against our focus on the Taliban, when the terrorists were from lots of countries?

The Taliban government was built out of the remnants of those non-Afghan Muslims who had gone to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. I wasn't opposed to the invasion of Afghanistan itself, but I do have a lot of concerns about how the U.S. has been carrying out its mission there. Rooting a bunch of peasants out of the mountains of Afghanistan isn't going to do much for our "war on terror" -- the focus has to be on those non-Afghan Muslim fanatics who have made that country a haven for terrorism.

[alnick]

That the WMD programs were or were not to the readiness stage to launch attacks is not the only justification for taking Saddam out.

Excellent point. The idea that we should wait until it's too late rather than strike at a point that will make it impossible for those weapons to be used against us is insane.