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Outsourcing, visa curbs not in US interest: Congressman
Economic Times of India ^ | May 29, 2003

Posted on 06/01/2003 4:11:54 AM PDT by sarcasm

NEW DELHI: While the bills introduced to limit outsourcing and L-1 visas in the US Congress and state legislatures should be treated with a degree of seriousness, there is no need to lose sleep over it.

It is not in the interest of the US to take the protectionist path, feels US Congressman Jay Inslee. The congressman was addressing a CII forum on “Globalisation & Business Process Outsourcing: Win Win for India and the US” in Delhi today.

According to Mr Inslee, while these bills — whether those introduced in the state legislatures or the one introduced by Representative John Mica — seem to have captured the Indian imagination, they are not on the Congress’ radar. He emphasised the need to keep the issues in perspective. However, Mr Inslee added that since September 11, there has been a new urgency for greater security in the US.

What should provide comfort to India is the fact that protectionist efforts, like John Mica’s bill, are considered by many in the US political establishment as impediments to trade. As Mr Inslee put it: “If we want access to the world markets then we can’t create barriers to flow of intellectual capacity.” It is in the interest of the US economy to help the Indian economy grow, he said. “As long as there are 300 million Indian who earn less than $1 a day, there is not much hope of them buying US products.”

While Mr Inslee presented an optimistic picture, he did caution that the issue of outsourcing and L-1 visas is a public issue. This is what makes it difficult. In recent times, Americans have been feeling threatened by outsourcing and this creates anxiety at various levels. He suggested that a good way of dealing with public anxiety was to get the Indian-American community involved in the political process in an active way.

Congressman Inslee said that the people of the US are optimistic and believe in their technical capabilities. Under this environment, protectionism in trade is not logically supported in the US. He believed that the knee-jerk reaction from the Americans is not going to work for long. However, he advised the Indian community and businesses to be observant and sensitive to the issue and continue dialogues at various levels with their US counterparts.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jayinslee; l1; outsourcing; protectionism; washington
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To: harpseal
A free market is probaly the best way to allocate resources yet India has currency controls to prevent "the outflow of capital." That is a subsidy to their programming and analysis industry. There are investment tax credits that accrue to corporations that outsource offshore or build facilities offshore. The US governemnt provides free insurance to of investment from foreign antionalization of offshore investments by US corporations. The US government takes taxes from teh soon to be unemployed to subsifdize the competion and some people like Rep Inslee think this is wonderful.
21 posted on 06/01/2003 6:19:21 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: sarcasm
WatchMark, a Seattle-area company that makes software for wireless networks,

has seen revenue fall during the telecommunications industry's slump. Earlier this year, it fired 60 employees, most of them members of a product-testing group whose jobs disappeared when the company hired an Indian outsourcing firm to do their work.

"This was done at the end of the day for bottom-line reasons," said WatchMark spokeswoman Heather Knox. "We have good cash reserves, and we want to be around as long as possible."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/06/01/BU106520.DTL

Happy now Jay?

22 posted on 06/01/2003 6:29:40 AM PDT by Drango (There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binaries, and those that don't.)
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To: sarcasm
Ending H1-B and L-1 visas today, and you will lower the unemployment rolls by over a million this week. Lots more money will be pumped into the american economy when americans have jobs again, and welfare cots, and unemployment payments, and bankrupcy costs will also drop like a rock.

Everyone knows that there are plenty of skilled unemployed americans out there who can do the work that foreigners are now taking. Why employ any Indian to do java, visual basic, or mainframe computer programming when we have a million unemployed americans who can do it? The fact that we are employing foreigners to do these same jobs, means that those who do so, those who facilitate it, have some ulterior motives.

23 posted on 06/01/2003 6:32:02 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: AmericaUnited
NAFTA = "Mexicans will grow economically and buy lots of products from the US." - NOT! A large number of US jobs were lost. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED. China - "Trade with China will open up a market of 1 billion Chinese consumers for the US." NOT!

YOu are right! We were promised a trade surplus, we were promised that we would be selling hundreds of billions of american products to the chinese and mexicans. Hasnt happened.

24 posted on 06/01/2003 6:33:42 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: harpseal
I'm surprised that Inslee is a Saddamocrat. You'd think they'd be on the ramparts about this stuff. I've also always thought that outsourcing has had a whiff of racial discrimination, as in "You Americans are inferior - just look at how many blacks you have!".

Money talks!

25 posted on 06/01/2003 6:36:29 AM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: waterstraat
In Inslee's case one need only ask who paid for his jaunt there. Being a US Representation or Senator has become nothing (for many Reps, for ALL Senators) but a franchise on collecting bribes and bribe-like payments. "Election funds" -- right-o.
26 posted on 06/01/2003 6:37:58 AM PDT by bvw
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To: harpseal
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
27 posted on 06/01/2003 6:45:45 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: bvw
Yes. US Representatives or Senators get huge campaign contributions from those companies wanting to replace american labor costs with cheap foreign labor.
28 posted on 06/01/2003 6:52:06 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: waterstraat
Grudgingly, I agree, and that's only because I (like most) don't like to admit being wrong. I have seen ZERO evidence of more American goods being sold to Mexico and Canada. But everywhere I turn I see goods made by these two and by China -- goods which were once made by Americans. Clearly, we need to ensure our ability to manufacture goods if we want to remain a free country, uncontrolled by foreign interests.
29 posted on 06/01/2003 6:54:12 AM PDT by =Intervention= (Proud Christo-het Supremacist!)
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To: sarcasm
CONTROLLING IMMIGRATION, BOTH LEGAL AND ILLEGAL, IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE USA...
30 posted on 06/01/2003 6:56:06 AM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: Dr Warmoose
Many selfish unpatriotic people that frequent this forum say that this is good because it lowers the costs of goods here in the united States. That may be true

Just because the costs may be lowered, does not mean that the price of the product is going to be lower. The manufacturer beneifits, but not the consumer. Nike certainly makes more money by employing cheap asian workers, but the price of Nike shoes does not come down so american consumers do not benefit.

31 posted on 06/01/2003 6:56:20 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Bill Davis FR
CONTROLLING IMMIGRATION, BOTH LEGAL AND ILLEGAL, IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE USA

Whe our land was "empty" up until the 1900's it made sense to bring in more people to fill up the empty spaces.

Today, I dont see any land anymore that is empty, land that no one owns, I dont see highways and expressways that are empty and not congested, etc. Why are we importing a record number of immigants today? Do we really need 57,000 more legal immigants(and another additional 57,000 illegal) each week? Do we really have 57,000 new additional jobs going unfilled each week?

32 posted on 06/01/2003 7:00:18 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: AmericaUnited
NAFTA = "Mexicans will grow economically and buy lots of products from the US." - NOT! A large number of US jobs were lost. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED.

That's the sad thing ---NAFTA didn't help either country ---at least not the majority but it did help a few I'm sure ---politicians who could line their pockets. When you look at all the millions of Mexicans coming over the border who have lost their jobs and homes in Mexico you have to wonder what happened ---ten years ago they were working in Mexico and now all that's gone for them. People don't die trying to leave a country they have any hope in.

33 posted on 06/01/2003 7:04:39 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: waterstraat
Yes, has the People's Republic of China Army Industrial Triads learnt and applyed so well -- it's far cheaper to fight America by bribing off its ruling caste. Hey, is that Chinese Spy-wife-and-will-f*k-for-atomic-secrets serving time yet, I mean Pollard-like time? She bought off Republicans.

Now the Little Rock Chinese Restaurant Association -- they bought off Democrats. As did NJ Ex-Senator Torch's chinese bribers.

The Chinese bought the Russian's lists of the compromised -- a good deal, that for them. And the Chinese were far shrewder, and sweeter, and no pikers -- being willing the liberally spread the grease around. They have beaten us. At least in wrestling parlance -- we've been taken down and are close to being pinned.

A reversal is possible, but we are not muscular or having much the reserve strength in muscle tensing right now.

I favor a roll out off the circle and a break to tie our shoes, or such, before the ref whistles us back to wrestling.

34 posted on 06/01/2003 7:05:39 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Cacique
Not Democrats, not Republicans....

The party of money in both parties.
35 posted on 06/01/2003 7:06:44 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: FITZ
When you look at all the millions of Mexicans coming over the border who have lost their jobs and homes in Mexico you have to wonder what happened ---ten years ago they were working in Mexico

That is because a lot of goods coming from mexico, are no longer being made in mexico. Goods are made in china, sent to mexico, and then sent to america under NAFTA. Mexicans are having their factories close when mexican companies find that they can sell even cheaper if they get them from china.

36 posted on 06/01/2003 7:13:11 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Ukiapah Heep
I'm surprised that Inslee is a Saddamocrat. You'd think they'd be on the ramparts about this stuff. I've also always thought that outsourcing has had a whiff of racial discrimination, as in "You Americans are inferior - just look at how many blacks you have!".

Why would that surprise you? The expansion of the H1b and L1 visa programs were Clinton policies. Outsourcing to India was a government very much encouraged by the Clinton administration in the 1990's as a way to keep salries of IT folks down. The destruction of the American busineess climate has long been a goal od the Democrat Party. A Global governence entity having authority over the USA has been a part of the Democrat ideology for years.

The are the party of illegal immingrants and immigrants in general so why on earth would his stand here surprise you?

37 posted on 06/01/2003 7:20:46 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: sarcasm
Lets talk about "Outsourcing".

Mr. Inslee ran for Congress in Yakima, WA. in 1992 and won.
Then he ran for re-election in 1994 and showed just how liberal he really was and LOST.

Mr. Inslee then "Outsourced" himself to a new district that was a little closer to Seattle and what he thought was more liberal and ran for election for Congress again in 1996. Unfortunately he's and idiot, and the district didn't vote for him. He LOST.

Mr. Inslee then "Outsourced" himself to a new district that was as liberal as you could get without having to clone Hillary a couple of thousand times. Okay maybe they did. Anyways he ran for election for Congress again. And Sazaam he WON.

I think most of the people that use to vote for him on this side of the state wish he would "Outsource" himself again and this time find another state.

I'd put end sarcasm here but since it's your thread, I don't want to step on your toes. 8^) </end sarcasm>

38 posted on 06/01/2003 7:28:50 AM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: Dr Warmoose
You are absolutely right!

Best capsule analysis I've read to date.

39 posted on 06/01/2003 7:32:17 AM PDT by LuisBasco
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To: waterstraat
Plus many of the campesinos lost their ability to make a living because even though Mexico has much cheaper labor, they cannot compete with US farmers, many of their farms went bankrupt and are still going bankrupt. Manual labor isn't efficient, machines are so a farmworker working on a Mexican farm might make just under $5 a day but in the US might make that much an hour.
40 posted on 06/01/2003 7:32:27 AM PDT by FITZ
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