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The End of the Boy Scouts in Philadelphia (when decent Americans chose not to fight back)
townhall ^ | June 1, 2003 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 06/01/2003 6:33:34 AM PDT by TLBSHOW

The End of the Boy Scouts in Philadelphia

By.... Hans Zeiger

Philadelphia’s Cradle of Liberty Boy Scout Council self-destructed last week. Its executive board voted unanimously to include "sexual orientation" in its nondiscrimination code. The outrageous move came after years of intense pressure from radical homosexual and atheist rights groups in the area and nationwide.

The Philadelphia Council is the third largest local council in the country, serving 87,000 boys and men. It is an unfortunate addition to a list of councils that have eagerly given the finger to the Boy Scouts of America and its associated moral codes. Last year, San Francisco and Boston became the first branches to reject the concept of “moral straightness.”

We must be reminded that the Boy Scouts are not an intolerant, homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic bunch. In fact, the Boy Scouts have always taught tolerance and have been at the forefront of celebrating diversity. Since 1911, the BSA has reached out to disabled youth, racial and ethnic minorities, Native Americans, and inner city children.

And Scouting has also taught the difference between right and wrong, between honor and indecency, between justice and perversity.

When it comes to a Scout troop, sexual orientation is an issue that goes beyond differences in skin color or economic status. It affects such matters as tenting arrangements and the development of pre-teenage masculinity in a close-knit group of boys and men. But the BSA’s position against homosexuality is not just an issue of moral principle in an effort to affirm the Scout Oath and Law, it is a serious safety effort to prevent cases of sexual abuse and harassment.

To the vast majority of Americans who understand the importance of Scouting in every community across the nation, preserving the traditional moral code of Scouting is a no-brainer. It is time for families in Philadelphia to show that they oppose the leadership of their local council by leaving the organization.

Furthermore, the BSA national office must entirely disconnect itself from the Philadelphia, Boston, and San Francisco Councils. And Boy Scout councils around the country must take notice that their entire mission is staked upon the moral character of the boys and men involved, and that if they sever those core principles from the program they will destroy the entirety of Scouting.

The pressures from the radical Left must be dealt with as well. As the Left has opened fire on the Scouts, the reaction of Americans has been interesting. I’ve heard some say that the Scouts don’t need to be defended because they are strong enough. Many would argue that ignoring the opposition is the best thing for the Scouts. Perhaps that would be true in a small-scale conflict, but those who lead the drive against the Scouts have proven their capacity for a dangerous perversion of morality when, in a hundred other scenarios they’ve struck deepest when decent Americans chose not to fight back. They didn’t fight back because they weren’t looking in the first place.

Now, America - now is a time to turn our sullen eyes on Philadelphia. Now is the time to awaken to the awful stench that arises from the moral relativism condoned by Boy Scout Councils in Boston and San Francisco. Now is the time to fight back and defend the Boy Scouts from further damage.

As an Eagle Scout and an assistant Scoutmaster, I cannot couch myself in the dark chamber of apathy as my organization is taken over by special interests whose political agenda contributes to a breakdown of character and the family. The Boy Scouts have the God-given right to establish standards for membership, and those standards have been highly respected for over 90 years. Citizens across America have the God-given obligation to see to it that the Boy Scout Oath and Law are upheld for another 90 years.

Hans Zeiger, 18, is an Eagle Scout and an outspoken advocate on behalf of Scouting with the Scout Honor Coalition. He is a Seattle Times columnist and chairman of Washington Young Americans for Freedom.


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KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; philadelphia
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Philadelphia Scouts Decide Not to Ban Gays

May 29 — PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - The third-largest Boy Scout council in the United States has decided to defy a national scouts policy of refusing membership to homosexuals, members said on Thursday.

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1 posted on 06/01/2003 6:33:34 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Four young boys in this family that will not be joining the Scouts.

No more cash donations either!

2 posted on 06/01/2003 6:36:25 AM PDT by mickie
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To: TLBSHOW
Yup... in liberal cities the easiest reaction to intense pressure is to get the liberals to like you.
3 posted on 06/01/2003 6:36:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: TLBSHOW
I had always supposed that gay scoutmasters was the main issue, though as a parent, I certainly would not have wanted my son sharing a tent with a homosexual kid either.

But how many parents will think it is a good idea for their sons to go through puberty closely associating with a gay role model, and even camping out in the woods with such a person?

My feeling is that many will keep away from scouting if this becomes the norm.
4 posted on 06/01/2003 6:42:08 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Little by little the left chips away at America. If we do not take back the entertainment media we will never win the war. I always thought if only we had the news media, but its the entertainment media that does the most damage to the youth.
5 posted on 06/01/2003 6:48:33 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Sam Cree
The Philadelphia Scouts must be delisted by BSA and not allowed to use the Scouts uniform. Perhaps "Young Pioneers" would be a good name for this group...
6 posted on 06/01/2003 6:50:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: TLBSHOW
...has decided to defy a national scouts policy of refusing membership to homosexuals, members said on Thursday.

As usual, the leftists twist the issue to claim, "its all about the children." An artful way to get rid of virtue by substituting a nebulous plurality, "children" for the true virtues to be held high.

This issue was, of course, never about young scouts, but about scout leaders.

Scouts are youth and the yongsters should never be classified in a sexual manner to begin with.

Scouting has always had youngsters that have gone on in later life to take that sad path. It has actually been a tolerant organization that has accepted boys on the merit of their conduct and not the height of their dunk shot or adolescent sexual exploits in puberty.

This actually works out well for Predators and poorly for youngsters that may, later in life, be in that sad category. Caring parents of any young boy will now be more hesitant of their childs involvment. Probably a growing percentage will send that child to Journalism Camp.

7 posted on 06/01/2003 6:53:30 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Perhaps "Young Pioneers" would be a good name for this group..."

Or maybe they need to be called the Log Cabin Scouts.

8 posted on 06/01/2003 6:58:02 AM PDT by Kerberos (Ah yes the liberal democrats, united as ever in opportunism and error. Tony Blair 3/18/03)
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To: TLBSHOW
I believe Scout locals are charted by the National organization. That group must revoke the local's charter, thereby severing any connection with the Boy Scouts of America. Then, they can form another local Boy Scout chapter that actually embraces the precepts of the group. They can also sue the former local if they refer to themselves as a "Boy Scout" troop.
9 posted on 06/01/2003 6:59:09 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Perhaps "Young Pioneers" would be a good name for this group...

Or, in keeping with the Monty Python sketch, "Lumberjacks."

10 posted on 06/01/2003 7:00:25 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
I didn't know that. Has that been done in the other cities that are giving the finger to the boy scouts?
11 posted on 06/01/2003 7:01:57 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Sam Cree
That's what "they" want. The homo-sect doesn't really want to be a part of scouting. They want to destroy scouting. BSA helps to mold good American men. That's what "they" cannot tolerate. I'm surprised this is not blatantly obvious to everyone.
12 posted on 06/01/2003 7:02:15 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth
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To: TLBSHOW
Sen. Santorum . . .Tells Christendom Grads To Rebel Against Pop Culture
13 posted on 06/01/2003 7:07:28 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: TLBSHOW
I don't know exactly what the hierarchy looks like. I read that that was the structure on another thread. Maybe a Scout can enlighten us.
14 posted on 06/01/2003 7:10:45 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: All

do not hate the sinner but hate the sin and don't make it easy for the sinner to Sin even more

This is the problem we face. Giving awards or incentives to sin some more or to become sinners. That is the crux of the matter and that is what the government with their pro gay laws are doing to Americas youth.

The speech should be

We hate the sin but will help the sinner. We will not reward you or help you sin. There will be no cash rewards if you sin. No govt programs or handouts or laws to help you sin or sin some more.

15 posted on 06/01/2003 7:14:54 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
This trend will likely continue until most of those Boy Scout organizations which are located in Democrat parasite nests (cities) are dead and gone. Look at it as a cleansing process. Boy Scout organizations which are based in civilized areas outside of the parasite nests should continue to thrive.

It is now more important than ever that charitable people shun scumbag outfits like United Way and be careful to direct charitable giving to deserving organizations which reflect traditional American values. The Salvation Army is a good one.

16 posted on 06/01/2003 7:17:47 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: whereasandsoforth
"They want to destroy scouting"

Seems like they could well succeed in destroying scouting. If the Scouts do allow gay scoutmasters, a lot of parents will probably find something else for their boys to do, membership will decline, perhaps to very low levels.

If Scouts continue refusing to accept gay scoutmasters, it seems like the forces of political correctness (these days including churches, temples, local governments and school boards) will continue to ostracize them, perhaps until they are successfully demonized.

Scouts may well be screwed no matter what course they take.

The only hope that I see is that the kind of folks who want their kids in scouting are those who believe in absolute values, in other words, not "liberals."

17 posted on 06/01/2003 7:18:12 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: IronJack
Or as the Smothers Brothers sang:

"Men men men men, a ship all filled with men men men men...."

18 posted on 06/01/2003 7:20:37 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: TLBSHOW
... intolerant, homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic...

Let's see. What word doesn't belong?

19 posted on 06/01/2003 7:25:29 AM PDT by LuisBasco
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To: P.O.E.
In 2008 how about:

SANTORUM/TANCREDO?

20 posted on 06/01/2003 7:28:14 AM PDT by LuisBasco
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To: IronJack
Young Pioneers was the name given to the Communist Youth in Russia.
21 posted on 06/01/2003 7:28:39 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: IronJack
That group must revoke the local's charter, thereby severing any connection with the Boy Scouts of America.

Besides the disassociation from the Philadelphia Council's position on homosexuals, the National Council must consider the liability issue that will sooner or later come out of the closet when the molestation lawsuits hit. The National Council would not want to pick up the tab for Philadelphia's irresponsible practices. A prime example is the Catholic Church, which has certainly suffered great financial loss from its "tolerance" of gay priests.

22 posted on 06/01/2003 7:29:57 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: whereasandsoforth
I'm surprised this is not blatantly obvious to everyone.

It is blatantly obvious to me, not just on the part of the militant gays, but all liberals as well. They want to destroy our basic precepts of freedom and self-reliance in order to create another communist/socialist Big Brother USA.

When you stop and compare where we are now compared to even a few decades ago, you can see that they are succeeding.

The title to G Gordon Liddy's latest book says it all: "When I was a Kid, This was a Free Country."

23 posted on 06/01/2003 7:39:54 AM PDT by Marauder (I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.)
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To: TLBSHOW
Last year, San Francisco and Boston became the first branches to reject the concept of “moral straightness.”

The real point of all this is GAYS MUST RECRUIT. They do not reproduce other than by this means. The Catholic Church has been severly damage by the Gay Priesthood,gay Scoutmasters will bring the same tragic results to the Scouts.

The Gaystappo strikes again, ugh.

24 posted on 06/01/2003 7:46:29 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: LuisBasco
In 2008 how about:

SANTORUM/TANCREDO?

I still like: JEB/CONDI in 2008!

I couldn't resist, LOL de ja vu?

25 posted on 06/01/2003 7:51:07 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: Sam Cree
This is such a shame. Growing up in a large, poor and disfunctional family, my husband became the hard-working, skilled man that he now is, largely because of Scouting.

He LOVED being a Boy Scout and learned many practical skills he continues to use to this day. He saw there was a different way of life than what he experienced at home. He saw that kids actually had dads who showed up at functions and liked being with their kids. These dads took care to help him, since his was never there. He decided that was the kind of father he would become. He learned about God and faith and being a good citizen and an honest, honorable man...things he'd never have experienced in a way that was positive, without Scouts.

How disgusting that this wholesome source of rescue is being taken away from today's kids living in similar circumstances.

26 posted on 06/01/2003 8:01:57 AM PDT by BBT
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To: TLBSHOW
This is the letter that I just sent to the Cradle of Liberty Council in Philadelphia.

It is with great sorrow that I contact your office concerning the recent decision of the Cradle of Liberty Council to choose to ignore the BSA position on known homosexual participants in the scouting program.

1. The majority of Americans, as polled in any number of newspapers and media, do not want their children exposed to homosexual leaders anywhere but especially NOT in the BSA.

2. America's outcry concerning the Catholic Church and the homosexual priests and the damage they inflicted on their youth becomes a perfect parallel to the idea of homosexual leaders in the Scouts. Why is it so difficult for you to see that tolerance does not supercede safety? These children are in your care in a trust relationship. When a leader, known to be homosexual and approved by your council, violates that trust how do you justify the resultant damage which has been proven to be life long? It would seem that all legal precedent would put the councils who knowingly allow this, in a direct path of resposibility for the damage.

3. Only the exceptionally ignorant cannot see the moral decline in America. It takes great energy to turn from what one knows as right and to embrace that which is wrong and highly detrimental. Your council has just taken the steps to qualify for this ignominious distinction. Congratulations. What goes around, comes around.

27 posted on 06/01/2003 8:06:14 AM PDT by elephantlips
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To: TLBSHOW
How can one separate the sin from the sinner. It is impossible.
28 posted on 06/01/2003 8:16:52 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: BBT
Yeah, I was a scout, many years ago, and loved it. My son was also, there's no doubt how positive an experience it was. How nice to hear about the inspiration it was for your husband.

"How disgusting that this wholesome source of rescue is being taken away from today's kids living in similar circumstances."

True. I agree with some of the other posters that it is a part of the leftist effort to destroy traditional America. As David Horowitz has said, they must first destroy that which they wish to replace, America as we know it, and as the founders designed it.

29 posted on 06/01/2003 8:19:08 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: TLBSHOW
I do not think history records such a moral collapse as being experienced in America. Defeated by mere words i.e. equality, tolerance, love, pity. Amazing!
30 posted on 06/01/2003 8:21:05 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: mickie
"Four young boys in this family that will not be joining the Scouts. No more cash donations either!"

Or you could use your head for a moment.

Rather than a kneejerk boycott of the scouts for the actions of rouge members, you should consider that you only drive the scouts further into financial hardship and make them more vulnerable. To deny the BSA a revenue stream is not going to help them combat this assult.

You should instead write a letter encouraging the BSA to revoke Philly's charter and deny permission to use all seals, uniforms, and name branding associated with the BSA until such a time that they repeal this policy.

31 posted on 06/01/2003 8:26:11 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: IronJack; Eric in the Ozarks
Amen, that is EXACTLY what should happen...and forthwith.
32 posted on 06/01/2003 8:35:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: TLBSHOW
Come on boys..lets all Pitch a tent with Mr.pole smoker!
33 posted on 06/01/2003 8:35:39 AM PDT by JOE6PAK (" If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.")
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I've been in contact with my local area Scout Council multiple times urging them to get hold of National Scout Headqarters and their representatives at the Convention in Phillie.

The message I'm asking is that they take the ofending PA Council paid Scouters and Volunteers at the Executive Governing Board Level to the wood-shed for some old-fashioned one-on-one counseling like our daddies used to give us.

Join me, get hold of you local Scout Council and tell them to pass on your disgust about the Liberty Bell Council to National and demand that National take that council to the wood-shed per-se.
34 posted on 06/01/2003 8:39:37 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: TLBSHOW
bump
35 posted on 06/01/2003 8:41:00 AM PDT by Lady Eileen
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To: shadowman99
What's the address?
36 posted on 06/01/2003 9:56:27 AM PDT by mickie
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To: TLBSHOW
bump
37 posted on 06/01/2003 11:32:02 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rob: I have a five letter word: F-R-E-E-P. Freep. Jerry: Freep? What's that? -Dick Van Dyke Show)
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To: mickie
Main Office
National Office, BSA
1325 West Walnut Hill Lane
PO Box 152079
Irving TX 75015-2079
(972) 580-2000
38 posted on 06/01/2003 11:33:44 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: Kerberos
Or maybe they need to be called the Log Cabin Scouts.

Rainbow Scouts.

39 posted on 06/01/2003 11:44:18 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
Camp Fire Boys sounds nice, don't you think?
40 posted on 06/01/2003 12:06:26 PM PDT by Night Hides Not
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To: FreedomCalls
"Thanks for the link. I read the front page of it and will check it out in more detail tonight."

LOL

41 posted on 06/01/2003 12:20:09 PM PDT by Kerberos (Ah yes the liberal democrats, united as ever in opportunism and error. Tony Blair 3/18/03)
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To: FreedomCalls
"Rainbow Scouts."

LOL

Wrong cut and paste the first time.

42 posted on 06/01/2003 12:21:33 PM PDT by Kerberos (Ah yes the liberal democrats, united as ever in opportunism and error. Tony Blair 3/18/03)
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To: TLBSHOW; Cathryn Crawford
Here's a thought. Let's put on a musical! No, no. I mean how about having a weather type program with a big US map showing, say, a line of immorality moving down from Pennsylvania because of a low decency system in Virgina and a high dudgeon parked over New Jersey. The forecast is for scattered applause tonight giving way to intermittent grumbling as tolerance lifts in the early morning. No? Oh, well, back to your regularly scheduled indignation.
43 posted on 06/01/2003 1:22:54 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: gcruse
You're so much more creative than I am! Very cute!
44 posted on 06/01/2003 2:50:59 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Apathy kills us all.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Perhaps "Young Pioneers" would be a good name for this group...

As opposed to "Junior Butt Pirates"?

45 posted on 06/02/2003 7:02:52 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: lowbridge
BUMP BACK TO THE TOP
46 posted on 06/02/2003 7:23:03 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
How about Groupthink kids ?
47 posted on 06/02/2003 7:23:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: TLBSHOW; IronJack; Sam Cree; DeFault User; Mister Baredog; shadowman99; mickie
I'm a long-time Scout (= youth member) and Scouter (= adult member). A few comments:

Local BSA Councils are not-for-profit corporations consisting of local business and community leaders, as well as a few Scouters. They receive, and must renew annually, a charter from National Council to establish, oversee and support the BSA program in a geographic area. They in turn charter local organizations such as churches, veterans' organizations, fraternal organizations, schools, etc., to sponsor Packs, Troops, Ships, and Crews. These are also renewable annually.

If the sponsoring organization does not follow National and local Council guidelines and policies in running their units, the local Council can refuse to renew their charter. If the local Council does not follow National guidelines, National Council can refuse to renew their charter. In the former case, the unit folds and the Scouts would have to join another unit to continue in Scouting. In the latter case, either a new not-for-profit corporation would have to be started up to take over the charter, or the region the old Council covered could be taken over by one or more Councils contiguous to it. What's going to happen here is that first a delegation from National will meet with the Council's Executive Board (tha above noted local community and business leaders) to see just what their intent is, as opposed to what's in the press. If they persist that they are going to register "avowed homosexuals" as leaders, then I expect that they'll end up taking one of the steps I've outlined.

Note that it is the responsibility of the local units to select leaders. While the BSA is often brought into lawsuits on these matters, it's the sponsoring organization that has failed to do it's homework in registering an unqualified leader, and in failing to make sure that he or she is conducting the program properly.

National's basis for excluding homosexual leaders is because they provide what the majority of the BSA's sponsoring organizations believe are improper moral role models for youth. According to the BSA's own web site, any risk of paedophilia has nothing to do with it. And practically, if you search on Google for cases of molestation of Scouts by Scouters, you'll find that the Scouter involved either has no known sexual relations with adults at all, or is married and has kids.

What the BSA depends on to prevent child molestation is the proper selection of leaders by sponsoring organizations, and the strict application of the Youth Protection guidelines by the sponsors and the leaders. These steps will prevent child molestation of any kind.

The other way for parents to make sure that things of this sort don't happen in their unit is to show up. The BSA is not a program designed so that you can drop off your kid and a check once a week. "BSA" does not stand for "BabySitters of America". It's a family program, not a youth program, and you need to put some time in. Even if you can't be a leader, you can go on the occasional campout, hang around for a Troop meeting, run the Popcorn sale, help with the Pancake Breakfast, get your hands dirty helping with a service project, and in general observe what's going on.

I question the original author's characterization of the Minuteman Council's (Boston) announced policy re: sexual orientation of leaders. National doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Minuteman Council's policy seems to be "Don't ask, don't tell", which is National policy. They just stated it in a fashion that makes it a little more palatable for the locals. But I am unaware of any "avowed homosexual" who has taken a leadership position, "told", and stayed registered at Minuteman Council.

It's also worth noting that Cradle of Liberty Council isn't telling units that they have to accept homosexual members; they're saying that they can if they want to. Note as an analogy that BSA units can accept women as leaders if they wish, but many don't and are supported by both their local and National Councils (Troops sponsored by Mormon stakes do this) in their decision. The choice of leaders is up to sponsoring organizations and they are free to accept or reject leaders on whatever reason they choose (gender, profession, health, etc.).

Finally, cutting off support to your local BSA Council because there is an unresolved situation in Philadelphia is a sure way to hurt a bunch of youth and to make sure that they don't get the program from someone who wants to do so properly.

48 posted on 06/02/2003 7:35:01 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
Very insightful. Thanks for posting that.
49 posted on 06/02/2003 7:57:56 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: shadowman99
Thank you for reading it. So much has been printed from all points of view on this controversy by people who have no understanding of how the BSA works that there's a great deal of misunderstanding out there.
50 posted on 06/02/2003 8:04:46 AM PDT by RonF
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