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Country music in battle over patriotism, free speech (liberal alert)
The Tennessean ^ | 6/2/03 | CRAIG HAVIGHURST

Posted on 06/02/2003 3:30:13 PM PDT by GailA

Edited on 05/07/2004 9:20:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

American flags are everywhere as Toby Keith, center, performs Courtesy of the Red, White & Blue at the Academy of Country Music Awards last year in Los Angeles.

As thousands of country fans stream into Nashville this week for Fan Fair, the country music community is wrestling, perhaps as never before, over issues of patriotism and free speech.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: cma; cmt; countrymusic; dixiechickens; maines; music; speech; tobykeith
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1 posted on 06/02/2003 3:30:13 PM PDT by GailA
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To: GailA
''If you were just casually listening to country radio in the last year, you would think it was the music of Republicans,''

Oh the humanity! If Republicans like it, it has to be awful, huh? The market decides. If some people want to sing liberal country songs, let them sing them. Let the market decide.

2 posted on 06/02/2003 3:36:12 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: GailA
I thought we learned yesterday that country music listeners weren't offended by the Chicks, but that the whole thing was another vast right-wing conspiracy...did these folks not get the memo?
3 posted on 06/02/2003 3:37:12 PM PDT by bigghurtt (http://www.bigghurtt.com)
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To: GailA
''If you were just casually listening to country radio in the last year, you would think it was the music of Republicans,'' says Beverly Keel, country music journalist and Middle Tennessee State University associate professor.

The good professor/journalist's statement is so telling it's hard to know where to start.

The Left would like to hijack country music they way it has hijacked Hollywood, the media, the rest of the arts including Chuck Berrys' own genre. They won't rest until country performers start singing odes to AIDS and abortion!

4 posted on 06/02/2003 3:38:20 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the conspiracy of inanimate objects!)
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To: Paul Atreides
That's OK I guess, if you turn on the TV you would think the world was Liberal!
5 posted on 06/02/2003 3:39:34 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (If somebody has to tell you, it's already too late.)
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To: GailA
''If you were just casually listening to country radio in the last year, you would think it was the music of Republicans,'' says Beverly Keel

Oh, dear God! No! NOOOOOOOOOOO -- ! //**sarcasm** :)

6 posted on 06/02/2003 3:39:45 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("This is how six-year-olds argue: they call everything 'stupid'." --Coulter, on liberals)
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
I see, F.U.T.K. is being tolerant too.
7 posted on 06/02/2003 3:40:29 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (If somebody has to tell you, it's already too late.)
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To: GailA
That corporatewide ban, which affected 41 country radio stations nationwide, has since been lifted,

Too bad the ban was lifted. The clucks have a right to free speech but we have a right NOT TO LIKE WHAT THEY SAY.

8 posted on 06/02/2003 3:41:33 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: GailA
Rabble-rousing songs by Toby Keith and Darryl Worley have become smash hits.

I beg your pardon, snot-nosed journalist! We are not "rabble," we are Rednecks!

Xy, the original, unadulterated, polysyllabic, rednect tax-chick!

9 posted on 06/02/2003 3:41:38 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Visualize whirled peas ... no, kids, that's not another tornado!)
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To: Revolting cat!
odes to AIDS and abortion

We've had them: Reba McEntire, "She Thinks His Name Was John," and Tim McGraw, "Red Ragtop."

Wake me up when it's over, please. Does Willie have a new album yet?

10 posted on 06/02/2003 3:43:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Visualize whirled peas ... no, kids, that's not another tornado!)
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
I'd like to know how tolerant the rock industry is, to conservative points of view in songs.
11 posted on 06/02/2003 3:47:41 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Tax-chick
Does Willie have a new album yet?

Don't know about an album but did see his new video, Beer for My Horses Whiskey for My Men, with Toby Keith over the weekend. They play cops in it. Guns and everything ;-)

12 posted on 06/02/2003 3:52:33 PM PDT by barker (Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: GailA
Funny that the only people they could find bemoaning the "situation" in country music were journalists.
13 posted on 06/02/2003 3:54:52 PM PDT by dead
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To: GailA
"Rabble-rousing songs by Toby Keith and Darryl Worley"

Rabble rousing?????

"The environment, she says, may be leading to self-censorship"

Didn't that used to be called using good judgement or self-discipline or just a sense of propriety? Good grief these idiots are touchy!

"...the Dixie Chicks' right to be on the radio"

That's a right now??? I don't remember that one. I guess I must have been absent from civics' class that day.

"I think that tolerance is evaporating in society at large"

I think the author is being overly optimistic. < /sarcasm > But even if that were true, that would be a step in the right direction in my opinion. We have for far too long tolerated much more than we ever ought to have.

" Tim McGraw added video of troops being deployed to Iraq to his performance of The Cowboy In Me. Lonestar made a new video of the 2-year-old hit I'm Already There into yet another tribute to the troops"

Is it just me, or is there a venomous contempt for the troops seeping out of this whine?

"'When those albums diminished, there wasn't another swell of females behind them to fill that void.''

I'm so glad the NOW nazi quarter has been heard from. Sheesh. How about the natural ebb and flow of the industry, moron?

"That could be remedied to a large degree, he notes, by getting past the Dixie Chicks controversy and getting them back on the air."

That's all fine and good, but what is the good of putting them back on the air if the listeners don't want to hear them? Oh, I guess it must be that right to be on the radio thing again.

14 posted on 06/02/2003 3:58:40 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
where are you from in arkansas?

I am a harrisonite living in maryland now.
15 posted on 06/02/2003 4:00:47 PM PDT by bigghurtt (http://www.bigghurtt.com)
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To: Paul Atreides
"I'd like to know how tolerant the rock industry is, to conservative points of view in songs."

Silly FReeper! Tolerance only involves US putting up with THEIR opinions. How dare you suggest that they should have to put up with ours! Back to the re-education camp with you.

16 posted on 06/02/2003 4:04:29 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: bigghurtt
I'm in Pine Bluff...for the time being anyway. I like northwestern Arkansas much better though.
17 posted on 06/02/2003 4:06:06 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: barker
new video, Beer for My Horses Whiskey for My Men, with Toby Keith

We love it! I've always thought Toby Keith was just the cutest thing, and Willie has more presence at 70 than most people ever do!

My 9-yo son asks us whenever we put on a CD, "Is it like that one with Toby Keith?"

18 posted on 06/02/2003 4:09:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Visualize whirled peas ... no, kids, that's not another tornado!)
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To: sweetliberty
not a big pine bluff fan.

watson chapel kicked my butt in the playoffs the last football game I ever played in, and they were less than sportsmanlike in their response.
19 posted on 06/02/2003 4:09:44 PM PDT by bigghurtt (http://www.bigghurtt.com)
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To: GailA
''Faith (Hill) and Shania (Twain) were so hot at the same time that they sort of dominated the charts,'' he says. ''When those albums diminished, there wasn't another swell of females behind them to fill that void.''

There are countless female country performers who are twice as talented as Hill and Twain but don't comfortably fit the Nashville "image" and who are more concerned with making good music than appearing on the cover of Entertainment Weekly. Kelly Willis and Allison Moorer come to mind.

20 posted on 06/02/2003 4:11:40 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior
is it me, or does any1 else not consider faith ill or shani twain country?

I like hill, not twain, but I think of both as pop.
21 posted on 06/02/2003 4:12:37 PM PDT by bigghurtt (http://freep.bigghurtt.com)
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To: bigghurtt
Pine Bluff is without a doubt not the nicest place to live, however, I do like the place I'm living and it's affordable, and the best part, I have FReeper neighbors. But I usually go somewhere else to shop or whatever.
22 posted on 06/02/2003 4:12:52 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
I miss the natural state, but there is no way to do what I do there.

someday, I will retire to my beloved ozarks, though.

someday.
23 posted on 06/02/2003 4:14:47 PM PDT by bigghurtt (http://freep.bigghurtt.com)
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To: Paul Atreides
I'd like to know how tolerant the rock industry is, to conservative points of view in songs.

Ask Metallica and Pantera. They seem to have done rather conspicuously well.

24 posted on 06/02/2003 4:16:20 PM PDT by Pahuanui (when A Foolish Man Hears The tao, He Laughs Out Loud.)
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To: GailA
''Unfortunately, there's a climate right now that probably strikes fear in the heart of singers and songwriters who don't agree with the prevailing winds,'' she says.

Kind of like the fear of a conservative trying to make a living in Hollywierd?

25 posted on 06/02/2003 4:17:20 PM PDT by narby (Rachael Carson: History's biggest mass murderer)
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To: GailA
"Rabble-rousing songs by Toby Keith and Darryl Worley have become smash hits."

Songs become 'smash hits' because lots of people buy them. Nuff said.

26 posted on 06/02/2003 4:18:09 PM PDT by 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember
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To: Pahuanui
Pantera is definitely an anomaly. A hard-core metal band that counts david alan coe among it's staunchest supporters.

Also, I think we all know about Ted Nugent. I don't know Metallica's political views, other than the Napster brouhaha.
27 posted on 06/02/2003 4:18:32 PM PDT by bigghurtt (http://freep.bigghurtt.com)
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To: GailA
This is the same thing the SF Bay Area does all the time.
When you need a DNC spin, ask a college prof.
28 posted on 06/02/2003 4:19:19 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Saundra Duffy
I haven't lifted my ban.
29 posted on 06/02/2003 4:19:33 PM PDT by 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember
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To: barker
I love that song.
30 posted on 06/02/2003 4:20:45 PM PDT by 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember
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To: bigghurtt
I love the Ozarks too. I am not from here, but close enough. I grew up in southern Virginia and Kentucky. Lots of similarities.
31 posted on 06/02/2003 4:21:17 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: GailA
The Chicks, who made an elaborate apology for Maines' Bush remark on prime-time television, dealt themselves another setback when Maines wore a homemade T-shirt during a performance broadcast on the recent Academy of Country Music Awards that was widely interpreted as a personal insult to Toby Keith.

I worked the Brooks & Dunn concert last Friday, and the MC (Kledus - ??) apologized for having to announce the the Chix would NOT be performing that evening (huge round of applause - yes, in Portland!) then went on to explain what her shirt message REALLY meant: Found Under Table, Kneeling.

Got some good belly laughs for that one...

32 posted on 06/02/2003 4:21:27 PM PDT by onehipdad
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To: GailA
Think they got a problem with those songs? Wait till Lynard Skynard's new single (I've Always Been) Red, White, and Blue gets some air play.

Chorus:
My hair's turnin' white;
My neck's always been red;
My collar's still blue;
I guess you could saaaay;
I've always been - Red, White, and Blue!

Part of last verse:
...so what are they [Hollywood] complaining about?
If they don't like it...they can get the hell out!!!

This stirring single is on the "With Love and Appreciation" CD tribute to our Troops.

33 posted on 06/02/2003 4:25:52 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: GailA
''The country audience has always been intensely patriotic, but it didn't refuse to listen to dissenting voices before,'' he says.

The voices of dissent have been free to do their thing as long as I can remember.
Dissent is not the problem.
Mindless, ignorant screeching dissent is something else entirely.

And expecting no consequences for disagreeing is a childish expectation when any of us makes the choice as to when where and how we dissent.

34 posted on 06/02/2003 4:26:19 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: bigghurtt
Also, I think we all know about Ted Nugent. I don't know Metallica's political views, other than the Napster brouhaha.

Overlooking momentarily that I think Nugent can't play his way out of a paper bag, writes puerile and derivative music and never ceases to overestimate his own talent, yes, he is conservative. Which is, most likely, not a good thing for conservatives.

As for Metallica, "Master of Puppets" and "Don't Tred on Me" come immediately to mind as fairly evident of a more conservative mindset.

35 posted on 06/02/2003 4:27:25 PM PDT by Pahuanui (when A Foolish Man Hears The tao, He Laughs Out Loud.)
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To: GailA
''That's (been) reinforced with the way the Dixie Chicks have been treated.''


by the fans of country music
36 posted on 06/02/2003 4:27:47 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: GSWarrior
Kelly Willis and Allison Moorer come to mind.

I've got Allison Moorer's records. Hoo-ah!

37 posted on 06/02/2003 4:28:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Visualize whirled peas ... no, kids, that's not another tornado!)
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To: bigghurtt
A hard-core metal band that counts david alan coe among it's staunchest supporters

Wow! David Alan Coe BTTT! Maybe the best living male vocalist in English!

38 posted on 06/02/2003 4:30:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Visualize whirled peas ... no, kids, that's not another tornado!)
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To: Paul Atreides
music of republicans....
The democrat country fans are not going to like this !
Too bad.
39 posted on 06/02/2003 4:34:40 PM PDT by OREALLY
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To: onehipdad
I missed B & D in Portland, OR?

jeez
40 posted on 06/02/2003 4:37:11 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: GailA
The war is not over. The Muslim thugs are still out to destroy th USA. The Saddam Sluts should stay out indefinitely and their Country supporters too.
41 posted on 06/02/2003 4:47:10 PM PDT by johnfl61
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To: Paul Atreides
Oh the humanity! If Republicans like it, it has to be awful, huh? The market decides. If some people want to sing liberal country songs, let them sing them. Let the market decide.

Should we help them?

Thank Anything Except Religion I'm a LIB-er-al

Well, life in my tasteful loft is cushy and kinda soft
And late to bed doesn't mean I wasn't boffed.
Values are judgmental, or so says my favorite prof:
Thank Anything Except Religion I'm a LIB-er-al

Abortion and inhaling never did me any harm,
(But if you light a cigarette near me, I'm gonna break your arm.)
My days are all filled with a touchy-feely charm:
Thank Pelosi I'm a LIB-er-al

My work's never done 'cause I've always got to go
To yet another demonstration so I can let the man know
Life's all about how I feel and spendin' other people's dough
Thank Hillary I'm a LIB-er-al

I'd play Dixie Chicks all day if I could,
but then my friends might think I feel country music's any good.
So I complain when I can and I b*tch & moan 'round the 'hood:
Thank Barbra I'm a LIB-er-al

I say I won't trade my life for diamonds or jewels,
But little folks can't afford them 'cause of money hungry fools.
Who think they should keep their earnings when we know taxes are proper gov'ment tools:
Thank Al Gore I'm a LIB-er-al

Yeah, Huffington be ridin' in a black limousine,
To let people know that SUVs just ain't at all keen.
Well, folks let me tell you now exactly what I mean:
Thank All the Kennedy's I'm a LIB-er-al

Well, I'd try to deal with logic 'cept my brain is kinda fried,
besides, life's about feelings; results just lead to false pride.
I say it's all the truth if they can't prove that you lied,
Thank Billy I'm a LIB-er-al

My daddy taught me young how to distort and debate,
those media-controllin' conservatives and their vast right wing of hate.
He taught me love is for liberals and and tolerance only for those with whom I commiserate:
Thank Anything Except Religion I'm a LIB-er-al

CHORUS:
Well I got me a fine private school to keep my kids from the riff-raff while they're little.
When the sun's comin' up I got Republicans on the griddle;
and life ain't nothin' but a funny, funny riddle:
Thank Anything Except Religion I'm a LIB-er-al

(It's a quick first draft, so be kind.)

;)
42 posted on 06/02/2003 4:48:10 PM PDT by Fawnn (I think therefore I'm halfway there....)
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To: Fawnn
You get thumbs up from me!
43 posted on 06/02/2003 4:50:55 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Fawnn
got potential, touch up your scansion!
44 posted on 06/02/2003 4:56:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Visualize whirled peas ... no, kids, that's not another tornado!)
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To: Paul Atreides
Just imagine, Liberal country & western.

The top five for this week.

1. Imprisoned in the USA.
by Barbra Streisand

2. The Zionist Entity stole yur love.
by Cynthia McKenney

3. Your Cheating formerly Presidential heart.
by the DNC Glee Club.

4. Hillery! came riding out, one dark and stormy night.
by the Fosterettes.

5. Drop kick me Algore, through the goal posts of love.
The former second lady sings her heart out. Tipper Gore

And tonights special offer!

( for those of you who go waaaaaaay back, and I do mean back)(before Tang, before Saran wrap, before that congresswoman walked on mars!)

The Joe Lieberman country platter, seven of his top 45rpm
singles in one gaily wrapped package for only $ 6.95
brought to you by... (here it comes).....

Ernie's Record Mart! Nashville Tenn.

Or try our DNC Blue light special....
"Bill Clinton sings the blues ", for the same price.

Hear,

"I got those unelectable blues agin Senator Momma!"
and

"The ice bucket is in the refridgerator.( If you want
to sass me again.)

And finally his greatist hit, written with the Blizy Chiks.

"Hello darlin, you're not ashamed of Arkansas?(Well climb right here in back)."

Yes the blue light is on at the DNC and here at Ernie's
we are red hot.

We now return control of your usual broadcasting.

Readers Note.

I used to listen to Ernie's bluegrass program on a
little crystal set smuggled under my pillow, along with
a Sci-fi radio program called X -1 or something like that...
radio plays. (again before there was a Twilight zone and
TV sets had 6" screens, we would get up on saturday and watch the test pattern before programing began.)

Later I would listen to WWLS I think from New Orleans.
"Bringing you the wonderful music of Leon Kellner his
accordian and orchestra, coming to you from the beautiful
Blue Room of the Hotel Roosevelt."
Sigh........

Sorry, just waxing my nostalgia.
45 posted on 06/02/2003 4:58:06 PM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Paul Atreides
Thanks. ;)
46 posted on 06/02/2003 5:05:45 PM PDT by Fawnn (I think therefore I'm halfway there....)
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To: tet68
top Democratic country songs for this week....

1.) Stand by your partner, whoever you choose that partner to be, and as long as you have both agreed that mongamy is for you.
2.) Ain't going down til the taxes come up.
3.) Courtesy of the Red (The Angry Socialist)
4.) He stopped oppressing her today.
5.) I'm ashamed to be a war-mongerer's daughter.
6.) Where were you when the Gore stopped whining.
7.) I can run you better than that (The Govt Program Theme)
8.) If said you had a beautiful body, would you express the shame it causes you in a nurturing, assertive way?
9.) Kaw-linton
10.) I fall to patsies.
47 posted on 06/02/2003 5:17:05 PM PDT by bigghurtt (http://freep.bigghurtt.com)
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To: GailA
Having worked in radio for over 25 years, I'd like to know at what mythical time and in what fictitious place anyone ever thought they could achieve musical success on a mass level without any self-censorship at all? "Self-censorship" is the term liberals fling around to protest the fact that they might actually be subject to "editing," a process everyone who makes a living in the popular media has to deal with.

And it's a good thing: a few societal limits force you to think before spewing. That's why back in the days when lyrics were censored for sexual content, we got the brilliantly witty double entendres of Cole Porter, and today when literally "Anything Goes," we get braindead thug rappers saying the F-word 495 times. Country is one of the last bastions of music where singers and songwriters are expected to think before they open their mouths, which is why clever wordplay and good stories still matter, and why Natalie Maines is in so much trouble.

48 posted on 06/02/2003 6:14:26 PM PDT by HHFi
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To: Tax-chick
I saw Allison perform last year in SF. It was a good show.
49 posted on 06/02/2003 6:43:57 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior
I love her songs - particularly when I'm a little depressed, the sister has a lot of pain! I'm looking forward to another album.
50 posted on 06/02/2003 6:45:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Visualize whirled peas ... no, kids, that's not another tornado!)
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