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Friedman: Because We Could
The New York Times ^ | 06/04/03 | THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Posted on 06/03/2003 8:59:14 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: HHFi
Despite the liberals' claim of being "for the people", I see no such thing in their alliances and behaviours.
21 posted on 06/03/2003 9:39:04 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up your date.)
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To: tictoc
I'm willing to up it!

New grade: B-

:-)
22 posted on 06/03/2003 9:39:50 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up your date.)
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To: Amelia
He was doing okay until the last 3 paragraphs, and even there he's not all wrong.

I agree, I think his liberal mind got him off track by the end of the article.

23 posted on 06/03/2003 9:44:35 PM PDT by nana4bush
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To: Cathryn Crawford
I loved Friedman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem".

One of my favorites as well. :-)

24 posted on 06/03/2003 9:56:26 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
My copy is dog-eared.

Have you read his other? Is it any good?
25 posted on 06/03/2003 10:03:21 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up your date.)
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To: Pokey78
The Left is trying to have Bush do to the Conservatives what Clinton did to the Liberals and it will never happen.

After Clinton, moderates were disgusted with him. The Left is trying to put Bush in the same position with the moderates but the moderates are in love with Bush.

26 posted on 06/03/2003 10:04:09 PM PDT by rvoitier (There's too many ALs in this world: Al Qaeda Al Jezeera Al Gore Al Sharpton Al Franken)
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To: Pokey78
Actually, the article was a lot more reasonable than I thought it would be when I saw the author's name in the title.

Once the war was over and I saw the mass graves and the true extent of Saddam's genocidal evil, my view was that Mr. Bush did not need to find any W.M.D.'s to justify the war for me. I still feel that way.

I think he has touched on how a lot of people feel with that sentence. I'll give him a passing grade for this piece even though I don't necessarily share his conclusions about the damage to credibility that the President might suffer.

27 posted on 06/03/2003 10:05:08 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Pokey78
The Lemmings are rapidly approaching the edge of the cliff.

Do you notice that the false reports from Iraq have stopped? This is the security lid being screwed down tight. The next report you hear will be the real deal.

One more thing I don't hear Arab countries saying that there are no WMD.

28 posted on 06/03/2003 10:07:37 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Soddom has left the bunker.)
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To: Pokey78
Helping to build a decent Iraq as a model for others - and solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict - are the necessary steps for defusing the ideas of mass destruction, which are what really threaten us.

Blowing Gaza to dust would also help the Arabs understand terrorism is not profitable, however we are destroying the only democracy in the entire Middle East and feeding the wolf pack with it.

All we are going to reap is bigger wolves, and a whole lot of blood on our hands.

29 posted on 06/03/2003 10:59:19 PM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: JmyBryan
They are there, they would have been used against us.

It is called Anthrax.

30 posted on 06/03/2003 11:01:41 PM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: Pokey78
with that bullfrog throat thing Freidman
has going on there, I just call him a bullfrog bloviator
31 posted on 06/03/2003 11:09:26 PM PDT by cars for sale
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To: Pokey78
But we hit Saddam for one simple reason: because we could, and because he deserved it and because he was right in the heart of that world.

I'm OK with that.

When a mob is coming down an alley toward you, and running is not an option, you pick the biggest, mouthiest, and most vulnerable one of the lot, and jump on him. The others will lose their momentum, and will be thrown off their plan of attack. Iraq was the perfect target; the fact that he is a mass murderer is not unrelated to his presence in the mob, and the fact that we picked him first, or almost first.

The fact that we have been at war with him for 12 years is also not unrelated, and the fact that he shoots at our planes every day for 12 years is also not unrelated. And that, as Russia and France and Germany concluded their deals with him, the strategic advantage was slipping steadily away from us, in his favor, was not unrelated.

Lump it all together, and his quotient put him at the top of the target list, and we would have been fools not to take him down.

I will agree with Friedman on another point; it is absolutely necessary that we not leave a mess behind when we go. Prior to the war I was predicting a 10 year occupation; I hope I'm not right, everyone is now predicting something on the order of 2 years, but we had better be prepared to do what ever it takes. Leaving a power vacuum for the nutballs to fill is not an option. Something Rumsfeld said gives me some confidence, in response to a question about the possibility of a democratic election bringing the mullahs to power; "What, out of everything that has happened, would lead you to think we would allow that?"

32 posted on 06/03/2003 11:37:40 PM PDT by marron
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To: Pokey78
What was this silly boy expecting? A museum of WMD? This is a war, you twit.
33 posted on 06/03/2003 11:46:11 PM PDT by des
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To: Cathryn Crawford
As always with Freidman, you have to look closely to see it, beyond the other things mixed in.

He sees the road...but he walks in the mud.

34 posted on 06/04/2003 6:25:02 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Good Summary: He sees the road...but he walks in the mud.

Actually with the elite lefties of the NY Slimes, they just imagine that they are walking in the mud as they wordsmith their so sensitive remarks in their air conditioned suites at the the NY Slimes.

35 posted on 06/04/2003 7:00:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Pokey78
This remark shows that Freedy and many others at the Ny Slimes know that we have and are finding WMDS.

The failure of the Bush team to produce any weapons of mass destruction (W.M.D.'s) in Iraq is becoming a big, big story. But is it the real story we should be concerned with? No.

If they go ballistic and scream no WMDs, they will be hurt worse than anyother liberal group when the WMDs are revealed and documented in their post Blair time.

36 posted on 06/04/2003 7:03:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: JmyBryan
The only disagreement I have is his nervousness about WMDs. They are there, they would have been used against us. It's a matter of time before they are found.

Maybe the mistake was to look at the wrong country. Next could be Iran and this time it might work. Like in a cartoon at: http://www.ucomics.com/tomtoles/2003/05/29/

37 posted on 06/04/2003 7:05:40 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Overall grade: C+

Can we settle on just a "gentleman's C" like they used to give out when Tom attended school?

38 posted on 06/04/2003 7:06:42 AM PDT by Helms (Dems Find Smoking Gun: 45-55 Loss in Senate, Bush Wins 2nd Term)
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To: LibertyThug
I agree. To many people read who the author is and discount the entire article. I thought it was a good article. I never thought Saddam would use WMD's but he would give them to someone in Al Qadea to use them.
39 posted on 06/04/2003 7:07:21 AM PDT by jern
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Have you read his other? Is it any good?

I haven't read it, so I don't know....

40 posted on 06/04/2003 8:36:31 AM PDT by Amelia
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