A vast cavern is the stage for tests to find the 'God particle'

The Times ^

[Porterville]

Europe, Franco-Swiss, now if that isn't offensive, I don't no what is.

[AndrewC]

When bound they live forever, nearly

A photon lives "forever" unbound does it not? What happens to it when bound?

[P.O.E.]

The universe IS the understanding.

[AndrewC]

We argue about how to do this, what to spend it on. For example, gov't is encouraging consumers to buy homes, encouraging it as much as they can.

They may encourage as much as they want. I can spend my money on rent if I choose(or live under a bridge and spend it on Mad Dog 20/20 and understand the universe a bit more). However, when they take my money, I lose control of it.

[Doctor Stochastic]

...there are no records of what the conditions of the b-b were.

The microwave background is a rather good record of the b-b conditions.

[RightWhale]

A photon lives "forever" unbound does it not?

Einstein created photons as a handy entity in a few of his theoretical models. That is still where photons exist: in the physical models.

[AndrewC]

That is still where photons exist: in the physical models.

Well they give a lot of evidence of existence outside of models.

[RightWhale]

when they take my money, I lose control of it

What is the difference if you and a few million others choose to spend your personal discretionary funds on cars and red wine or if the funds are concentrated and the system chooses to spend the pooled resources on cars and red wine?

[RightWhale]

Where does the wave that the surfer rides come from, and where does it go. Is a pipe a particle?

[AndrewC]

What is the difference if you and a few million others choose to spend your personal discretionary funds on cars and red wine or if the funds are concentrated and the system chooses to spend the pooled resources on cars and red wine?

None, if that is my choice.

[AndrewC]

Where does the wave that the surfer rides come from, and where does it go. Is a pipe a particle?

I believe the consensus is from the wind(the immediate cause). And it goes somewhat into the air as noise. As to a pipe being a particle, not in the most common sense.

[RightWhale]

The choices of individual particles in the system are narrowly limited. If all Americans could stand on each others shoulders and link up this way form a line toward the moon, the line would reach the moon. Assume each link is 5 feet. If all people on earth were to form such a line, it would form a line reaching 1/5 the way to Mars at its closest approach this summer. If everybody just stood around in a formation resembling a beach scene, no one would reach anywhere.

-Update of Bucky's Nine Chains.

[Gary Boldwater]

Take a pause and think for a bit. I believe it is related, the more money spent the lower return per dollar.

Look at Russian scientists in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Not much money for equipment, but they really had a hand up on their American counterparts in theoretical knowledge.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

[Doctor Stochastic]

If everybody just stood around in a formation resembling a beach scene, no one would reach anywhere.

If a man's grope exceed his reach....

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Today, scientists completely understand the beginnings of the universe!!

Well...they're getting there. They'll have to wait until this thing is switched on in 2007.

And then what happens if Atlas shrugs?

[Gargantua]

"...the £1.5 billion Large Hadron Collider... will determine once and for all whether the Higgs boson, a mysterious fundamental particle held to give matter its mass, really exists... If not, the maxims of modern physics will be thrown into disarray."

"The boson was nicknamed the “God particle” by the Nobel laureate Leon Lederman for its centrality to the cosmos. Although it will be so small that its presence can only be calculated, not seen...

Ahhh. I see.

So our "maxims of modern physics" (much like our 'understanding' of Evolution) rely upon our having faith in something which not only have we never proven the existence of, but even once found cannot be seen. Hmmm....

Yeah, that Science stuff sure is an "end all, be all" for people who choose not to rely on Faith alone, huh? Way too funny.

;-/

[Pagey]

Meanwhile, near Waxahatchie, TX, developers try to find a use for a big underground hole that woulda been the SSC (Superconducting Supercollider).

From the article---- The vast Atlas cavern, which was completed last week at Cern, the European nuclear physics laboratory on the Franco-Swiss border, will house parts of a giant atom-smasher that is expected to solve the most elusive riddle in physics.

If I remember correctly #42 cut funding for this project, while cutting back the Military Funding too.He sure found time to give bonuses to the tune of 28 Million dollars to Gov't workers at taxpayer expense though didn't he? One more abuse swept under the rug, because the economy was on fire.The mere fact that the French people will have one-upped America by building their own atom smasher, should offend any American who has even the slightest interest in physics.It's another example in the long line of actions #42 took, in not helping America to become the best/strongest/most going forward country possible.

[AndrewC]

If all Americans could stand on each others shoulders and link up this way form a line toward the moon, the line would reach the moon.

No it wouldn't. Somewhere not too far off of the earth, the chain would break.

[unspun]

I'm thinking along the lines of using the word "God" and the general origins of the universe stuff. Usually a few creationists happen along a bemoan the waste of money at something so silly.

But, who is using the silly phrase "God particle" in the first place? And why, really? (I mean why really?).

BTW, I imagine that it wouldn't be Christians per se who complain the most about this and that there are many of them engaged in such projects. From what I see of their political doctrine, it would be libertarians and especially, "objectivists" that would be complaining the loudest about such a use of tax dollars.

Not very laissez faire, now is such a collective project based upon confiscated money?