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Home-schooling standoff (MA Liberals try to get state custody for 'abused' home-schooled kids)
Metrowest Daily ^ | 6/13/03 | Beecher

Posted on 06/13/2003 12:26:29 PM PDT by pabianice

"We have legal custody of the children and we will do with them as we see fit," DSS worker Susan Etscovitz told the Bryants in their Gale Street home. "They are minors and they do what we tell them to do!"

WALTHAM, MA -- A legal battle over two home-schooled children exploded into a seven-hour standoff yesterday, when they refused to take a standardized test ordered by the Department of Social Services.

George Nicholas Bryant, 15, and Nyssa Bryant, 13, stood behind their parents, Kim and George, as police and DSS workers attempted to collect the children at 7:45 a.m. DSS demanded that the two complete a test to determine their educational level.

After a court order was issued by Framingham Juvenile Court around 1 p.m., the children were driven by their parents to a Waltham hotel.

Again, they refused to take the test.

"The court order said that the children must be here. It said nothing about taking the test," said George Bryant.

The second refusal came after an emotion-filled morning for the family, when DSS workers sternly demanded the Bryants comply with their orders.

"We have legal custody of the children and we will do with them as we see fit," DSS worker Susan Etscovitz told the Bryants in their Gale Street home. "They are minors and they do what we tell them to do."

Four police officers were also at the scene and attempted to coax the Bryants to listen to the DSS worker.

"We are simply here to prevent a breach of the peace," said Waltham Youth Officer Detective James Auld. "We will will not physically remove the children."

Yesterday's events are the continuation of a six-year legal battle between the family and Waltham Public Schools and the state.

The Bryants contend that the city and state do not have the legal right to force their children to take standardized tests, even though DSS workers have threatened to take their children from them.

"There have been threats all along. Most families fall to that bullying by the state and the legal system," said George Bryant.

"But this has been a six-year battle between the Waltham Public Schools and our family over who is in control of the education of our children," Bryant continued. "In the end the law of this state will protect us."

The Bryant children have never attended public school.

Both sides agree that the children are in no way abused mentally, physically, sexually or emotionally, but legal custody of the children was taken from Kim and George Bryant in December 2001. The children will remain under the legal custody of DSS until their 16th birthdays.

The parents have been ruled as unfit because they did not file educational plans or determine a grading system for the children, two criteria of Waltham Public School's home schooling policy.

"We do not believe in assessing our children based on a number or letter. Their education process is their personal intellectual property," said Bryant.

George Bryant said he was arrested six years ago, after not attending a meeting that the city contends he was summoned to. The meeting was called by the Waltham School Department for his failure to send his children to school.

"We want these issues aired in the open, in public. The school system and DSS have fought to keep this behind closed doors," said Bryant.

Superintendent of Schools Susan Parrella said she was unaware of yesterday's incident and that, currently the school department approves of the education plan filed by DSS for the Bryant children.

"An acceptable home school plan is in place right now," said Parrella. "I was not aware of any testing occurring today."

The Bryant children freely admit that they have no intention of taking a test.

"We don't want to take the test. We have taken them before and I don't think they are a fair assessment of what we know," said Nyssa Bryant. "And no one from DSS has ever asked us what we think."

Kenneth Pontes, area director of DSS, denied that workers have never talked to the children privately, but admitted that this type of case isn't often seen by his office.

"This is an unusual case. Different school systems require different regulations for home-schooled children. Waltham requires testing," said Pontes.

Pontes said that a possibility exists that the children will be removed from their home, but that was a last course of action.

"No one wants these children to be put in foster homes. The best course of action would for (the Bryants) to instruct the children to take the test," said Etscovitz.

The Bryant family is due in Framingham District Court this morning, to go before a juvenile court judge. According to DSS, this session will determine what their next course of action will be and if the children will be removed from the Bryants' home.

"These are our children and they have and always will be willing participants in their education," said Kim Bryant.


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To: pabianice
Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

- C.S. Lewis
41 posted on 06/13/2003 12:55:15 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: TaxRelief
I think Not was being facetious.
42 posted on 06/13/2003 12:55:22 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: pabianice
Is there a web or email address for DSS and the School?
43 posted on 06/13/2003 12:55:55 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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To: TaxRelief; Notwithstanding
He was being sarcastic.
44 posted on 06/13/2003 12:56:53 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: nmh
Perhaps they parents believe that what they teach their children is their own business. It is not like they could do much worse than the piblic schools anyway.
45 posted on 06/13/2003 12:57:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: nmh
What do they know that can't be measured by a test?

Some homeschooling families don't learn subjects in the same order that public school children learn them. They'll do a "unit study" and cover a broad range of topics all at once. Some families prefer to go at the child's pace (i.e. don't give them algebra if they don't understand basic math).

If that's the case with this family, the state may jump on a slightly low area and say, "These children need our help!" The children would then be stuck in the public school system wherever the state wanted to put them. Unlike their public school peers who are automatically moved with their class no matter what their grade is.

46 posted on 06/13/2003 12:57:05 PM PDT by Democratic_Machiavelli
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You are polite and a gentleman.(lady?)

I might have had the good manners to send them away, rather than shoot them, but they would have had to race the rotties to the gate.

It's over three hundred yards. :)
47 posted on 06/13/2003 12:57:21 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Blood of Tyrants
the police were there and also said that they had no intention of forcefully taking the children. Right?

NO, the police we're there to "shame" the parents into making their kids take the test. It's one of those "What will everyone think?" kind of things that help to separate sheeple and cowards from principled people with character and integrity.

48 posted on 06/13/2003 12:58:07 PM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: pabianice
DSS...
The last two letters there fit perfectly. SS.
49 posted on 06/13/2003 12:58:40 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (When someone tells me 'my way or the highway', I take the highway)
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To: nmh
Furthermore, why should these kids be excemt from testing? Why must they be the exception to the rule?

If you believe the parents have the right to do as they see fit regarding the education of their children, then you have your answer.

50 posted on 06/13/2003 12:59:12 PM PDT by cruiserman
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To: nmh
Just what is it that these kids KNOW that can't be measured by a test?

Perhaps they’ve been taught proper disdain for communism and tyranny.

No public school test would ask the simple questions that would reveal that valuable knowledge.

51 posted on 06/13/2003 12:59:17 PM PDT by dead
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To: freeeee
Is that a PITBULL in that picture???

It looks kind of fluffy for a pit bull ... some kind of spaniel or pointer mix?

Good luck to these folks. They're on the front lines, standing up for freedoms most people can't be bothered to defend.

52 posted on 06/13/2003 1:00:54 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You can't tell from his pictures how short he is.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
..."We have legal custody of the children and we will do with them as we see fit," DSS worker Susan Etscovitz told the Bryants in their Gale Street home. "They are minors and they do what we tell them to do."...

What a feminatzi!
53 posted on 06/13/2003 1:00:55 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: pabianice
WTF..........How does DSS have legal custudy of them?
54 posted on 06/13/2003 1:01:59 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: pabianice
Liberals are evil.
55 posted on 06/13/2003 1:02:01 PM PDT by moyden2000
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To: nmh
If you were to ask those questions of me about my two homeschooled kids, I would answer with a question:

"WTF is it any business of yours, a-hole?"

Sorry to get nasty, but if you ask some noxious questions, you may get some noxious answers...
56 posted on 06/13/2003 1:02:11 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: CyberCowboy777; pabianice
...The parents have been ruled as unfit because they did not file educational plans or determine a grading system for the children, two criteria of Waltham Public School's home schooling policy.

All parents who buck the system must be very careful of DSS.

Recently in Mecklenberg County, NC, there has been a rash of kid stealing: The Stratton Family Ordeal.

57 posted on 06/13/2003 1:03:10 PM PDT by TaxRelief (From the writings of Marx: Control the society by controlling the kids.)
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To: pabianice
Homeschool SPOTREP
58 posted on 06/13/2003 1:03:28 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: nmh
Mass law REQUIRES that the parents CHOOSE one of three options:

Standardized testing

Home visit by district rep

Submission of curriculum (overview, list of books)that demondtrates that it meets Mass Law for requirements...like state history, phys ed, etc.

It is the RIGHT OF TE PARENT to choose the venue. The school district can not refuse the parent's choice, unless they have PROBABLE CAUSE (evidence)that educational neglect is occurring. Period.

This district is out-of-bounds, and not acting in accordance with established law.

And the danger of the tests is this: Because the testing measures attutudes (affective domain) and has established a norm (do your kids fit the approved profile?) these results can be used for evidence of child abuse or neglect. These parents are being ordered to provide evidence against themselves...potentially... vis-a-vis custody of their children. (physical...nit just legal)

What you have here is a pissin' contest. DSS can't afford to have their charges aware of their rights...makes the job a lot harder. Too bad.

There is no legal reason for these parents not to prevail....just a matter of how much bureaucratic friction they are able to deal with. I hope HSLDA is on this case.

59 posted on 06/13/2003 1:04:02 PM PDT by dasboot (Everything that should be up, is up.)
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To: pabianice
The crux of the problem:

Federal Incentives Compromise Social Workers' Objectivity

60 posted on 06/13/2003 1:05:40 PM PDT by TaxRelief (From the writings of Marx: Control the society by controlling the kids.)
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