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He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 15, 2003 | Mary Mitchell

Posted on 06/15/2003 10:39:14 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it

June 15, 2003

BY MARY MITCHELL SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Ten years ago, Darren Washington, 33, made a dramatic lifestyle change. He decided to abstain from sex until he got married. It is a choice that makes sense in a world where sex can literally kill you. But the fear of sexually transmitted diseases was not the only thing that motivated Washington to try celibacy. Given the pain sexual relationships can cause, he wanted to be part of the solution--not part of the problem.

On Saturday, June 21, he will be one of the panelists for "What Men Don't Like To Talk About" at Being Single Magazine's 5th Annual Bachelor Breakfast.

Washington, director of external affairs for SBC Indiana, says his celibacy has frustrated some women.

"A lot of women wanted to be sexually active," he said. "And you have so many people fronting. What I found out is that women wanted a man who was going to be faithful to her because a lot of men are juggling different women, having sex with different women, and so women thought it would be OK if I was only having sex with them."

Some women backed away after realizing Washington took abstinence seriously.

"I told one woman I just wanted to be friends and she said she already had enough friends," he said.

Then, there's the hurry-up-and-get-on-with-it sister.

"I dated a very intelligent woman, an attorney, who was OK with celibacy," Washington said. "But after six months, she wanted me to make a commitment. She felt if she knew we were going to marry then she could abstain. I couldn't make that promise."

Washington, a state-certified HIV/AIDS counselor, regularly speaks out about abstinence. He says he does so because it is the best alternative, particularly for African-American couples.

"I think a lot of people--men and women--don't understand the emotional and psychological effects that premarital sex cause besides teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

"When you give your body, you open an area to them that is really sacred. You exchange spirits with that person and that is how you end up with heartaches, pain and jealousy. There are women out here who are cheating just like men. You can't blame one [gender] more than the other. If men stood up and took the initiative and treated women with more respect and respected their bodies, women would want their bodies respected."

Sex shouldn't be part of a dating relationship, Washington said.

"You really truly have to be patient and wait for the right man to come into your life," he said. "There are a lot of men out here who have their pick of the litter. They date a lot of women and they know they are a good catch. They are financially together and a lot of these men are having sex with a lot of different women."

In the abstinence world, a date is a date.

"There are certain things that are off limits if you are not willing to be married," he said. "I can go out with different people to have fun, but I don't expect sex and I don't expect them to take their clothes off."

But for a lot of men, sex is seen as their reward for showing his date a good time.

""I don't expect a woman to have sex with me because I took her out to dinner and spent $100," Washington counters. "That should be normal if I am trying to win her hand and to prove to her I'm the man of her dreams.

On the other side, women who do not have romantic feelings for a man may get involved with him sexually because he is financially solid and drives a nice car, Washington pointed out.

"We have to stop using each other," he said. "One way to do that is to abstain."

Of course, the real question is whether Washington is really one of those brothers on the down-low. He chuckled when I asked, but admitted it wasn't the first time he's been asked about his sexuality.

"People live an alternative lifestyle for sexual liberation, not sexual resignation," he said. "Right now, a lot of people are looking for a cure to AIDS. My issue is, yes, we need drugs that will stop the spread of AIDS, but what about the people who don't have it. They need to abstain. If you can't put a ring on a woman's finger or you don't want to marry the brother, you shouldn't be out there."

As noted in a recent Sun-Times special report on marriage, African Americans marry at a significantly lower rate than other racial groups in the United States. By age 30, 81 percent of white women and 77 percent of Asians and Hispanics will marry, but only 52 percent of black women will do so, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

After talking to Washington, I recalled something my father used to say when his daughters started dating: "Why buy the cow when the milk is free?" Of course, we didn't listen. As things have turned out, fathers knew best after all.

For additional information about next Saturday's panel discussion, please call (312) 567-9900.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abstinence; aids; celibate; chastity; dating; libertines; loosemorals; morality; singles; std
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I appreciate his commitment to remaining celibate until marriage, however if I had spent six months with this gentleman and there was no ring I'd hit the road. I'm just putting myself in these womens shoes.

A time limit of six months may be a little short (though, perhaps not for a 33-year-old ;), but in general I totally see your point.

61 posted on 06/15/2003 11:49:32 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
No, the kind thing to do would have been to stop dating her early on.

He knew darned good and well he wasn't in love with her (hell, everyone knows long before six months have passed, if they're not utterly neurotic), and it was wrong to mess with her head and keep her off the market when he knew his feelings and hers did not match up, and never would.
62 posted on 06/15/2003 11:49:38 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Mister Magoo
I dated a very intelligent woman

Mistake.

an attorney,

Bigger mistake.

63 posted on 06/15/2003 11:50:28 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Enterprise
I won't criticize him for his decision to remain celibate, and there are good reasons for it. However, I do feel a little sympathy for the woman. She dates a man for six months and he doesn't want to give her hope for marriage, and won't get nekkid either. I don't know how long she should wait for either choice. I don't know either, if six months is long enough to wait for a marriage proposal. Given their ages and experience in life, it seems time enough though, and I don't blame her for bailing. I'm not sure after reading the article if he doesn't want sex or is just turned off for life for marriage.

It sounds as though he was dating this woman, trying to find out if she was the right one for him, and just wasn't feeling the passionate love he wants to feel. She fairly asked him where he was, emotionally, and he told her that he just wasn't feeling as though their relationship would lead to marriage. She determined that she didn't want to waste any more time with him. This is fair to everyone. Nobody did anything wrong here. Nobody owes anybody an apology. It's just a good thing for her that she didn't waste any more time on a relationship that was not going to lead to adoration, dedication, and marriage.

I respect this man. He is acting on principles. Remember that the first line in this article says that he had a dramatic lifestyle change, so presumably his previous lifestyle was full of uncommitted sex. He makes it clear, without revealing intimate details, that he was horrified at the consequences of his previous lifestyle--sorrow and suffering, pregnancy, disease, and possible death.

For all of you who think it's weird: it's more common than you know. A lot of guys are celibate but just don't go around talking about it all the time. A lot of other guys aren't quite celibate but only have sex when they're deeply in love, which doens't happen all that many times in a person's life.

As for the idea of having sex with a steady girlfriend: no man should have sex with a steady girlfriend unless he's planning to marry her, because steady girlfriends get pregnant, too. There's no such thing as foolproof birth control. If you don't love her enought to marry her you don't love her enough to have sex with her.

64 posted on 06/15/2003 11:51:15 AM PDT by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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To: hellinahandcart
Excellent point. Everyone, male and female, should move on as soon as they know the person they are dating is not the person they want to marry. Life is too short to waste precious time like that.
65 posted on 06/15/2003 11:51:23 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; avenir
But, to help her self-esteem, you say he should have slept with her, indiscriminately, for six months, then dumped her when he decided he didn't want to marry her.

He didn't have to sleep with her. She didn't expect him to AS LONG AS he could tell her that there might be a future for them.

I admire this guy for not having sex with these women, but a woman can tell if a man's physically attracted to her, but just chooses to "save himself" until marriage. In fact, the woman above said SHE could wait, too!

No, as another poster said, this guy's graduated from manipulating women with sex to manipulating them with virtue.

Then, he gets to plead innocence when women accuse him of using them; that's exactly what he's doing.

I wonder if the guy's even been engaged in 12 years? If not, a woman would be advised to steer clear of this "boy."

66 posted on 06/15/2003 11:51:48 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: strela
I believe I will stay the heck out of this one, and just sit back and read replies. With my track record, for me to weigh in on what constitutes a successful marriage would be a bit like expecting Lizzie Borden to write her doctoral thesis on the Fourth Commandment.
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LOL! 'sorta like, it took taking piano lessons for 10 years to finally admit I suck at playing the piano.
67 posted on 06/15/2003 11:51:59 AM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: Capriole
A lot of guys are celibate but just don't go around talking about it all the time.

Given the current crop of modern women, I confess celibacy looks good me.

68 posted on 06/15/2003 11:53:30 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
God only sanctions sex within the marriage.

Yes he does, and the reason is to protect the children that are produced.

69 posted on 06/15/2003 11:53:45 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: najida
'sorta like, it took taking piano lessons for 10 years to finally admit I suck at playing the piano.

Good analogy. (And, as I am a big believer in the theory that "practice makes perfect" even for the terminally untalented, I never miss a piano lesson).

70 posted on 06/15/2003 11:55:31 AM PDT by strela ("Have Word Processor, Will Travel" reads the card of a man ...)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I have to disagree with that statement. I don't plan on getting remarried, in fact men my age are looking to settle down and have children. I'm not having more children, so I don't date. It would be wrong to date a man who expects to marry and have children when you don't have the same intentions. However should I find a nice man around my age, of course I would sleep with him and I wouldn't consider myself engaging in unpaid prostitution
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Yep, agreed, same here...ditto..whatever :)
71 posted on 06/15/2003 11:55:56 AM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Yep
72 posted on 06/15/2003 11:56:32 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Capriole
no man should have sex with a steady girlfriend unless he's planning to marry her

The opposite is wiser: He should try, of course--and should the maiden reject him, then he will know she is worth marrying.

73 posted on 06/15/2003 11:56:52 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Parents should try their best to remain with their spouses. And, protecting these children is a life-long exercise.

Those that have children should not have a string of partners, waiting in the wings. Too many young people divorce the spouse and parent of their children, running to the new man/woman that is waiting in the wings. Everyone should realize that children need stability, and children who have already gone through a divorce should not have to witness their parents dating mishaps.

Parents can date, without bringing these people into the household. It can be tastefully done, out of the children's line of vision. Introduce the kids only when the relationship is really significant, and it looks like it has a future.
74 posted on 06/15/2003 11:58:40 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: It's me
BUMP

Not to mention that most girls I have met are nut jobs and/or gold diggers regardless of how big their boobs are, or how good they look in a bikini. Bikini girls grow in trees.

Whats the point of thinking inside of your pants and ending up in lifelong misery? Its extremely stupid.

If the girl even implies that she either a) likes, admires, enjoys, or has ever at any point in history dated a "bad boy" she can go to hell. I will never be friends or respect or even talk to her. If we are on a date or even 6 months in, she's gone. Or, b) if she says that 'guys have to treat me like a queen'... forget it. She has the wrong attitude.

Its not that I am going to be mean to her, but she has to realize that if she is going to date me its going to require her own work and effort and a selfless attitude of doing something for someone else.

Then again I am not yet 33 or close to it...hopefully they grow out of it.

75 posted on 06/15/2003 11:58:44 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: hellinahandcart
If doing it for control purposes, he is using celibacy immorally.

It sounded to me like she wanted him to say he was going to marry her after 6 months.....6 months. If it was really just a "tiny little hint," then I would agree he messed up, but it sounds like it was more than just a hint.
76 posted on 06/15/2003 11:58:56 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: hellinahandcart
I think you're reading too much into the article. He said the woman he was dating for six months wanted a committment. To me that means she wanted a ring or the promise of one. I see nothing wrong with him wanting to know her longer than six months before making a committment.

Yes, women expect men to show a sexual interest. The article never said he had no sexual interest, nor that he didn't express affection or love, just that he did not sleep with his girlfriends.

As a woman, I'd be thrilled with a man who made that choice. And, yes, I'd still be thrilled six months later even if I didn't have a ring. I applaud his decision and based on many of the comments on this thread, I'd say it's obvious why he's "still" not married at 33. Even FreeRepublic has many women not worthy of him.

77 posted on 06/15/2003 11:59:11 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: TheSpottedOwl
It would be called fornication.
78 posted on 06/15/2003 12:00:21 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: najida
With my track record, for me to weigh in on what constitutes a successful marriage would be a bit like expecting Lizzie Borden to write her doctoral thesis on the Fourth Commandment.

ROTF!!! Hey at least you're honest ;-D

79 posted on 06/15/2003 12:00:59 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Hey at least you're honest

I do try.

80 posted on 06/15/2003 12:02:35 PM PDT by strela ("Have Word Processor, Will Travel" reads the card of a man ...)
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