Dean (Help Support Dean to Become the Dem Nominee)

PoliPundit.com ^ | 6/16/03 | PoliPundit

[NYC Republican]

Dean

I've been saying for months now that John Kerry is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination and would make the most formidable opponent to Bush; but Howard Dean could upset Kerry. Well, Dean is close on Kerry's heels in polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, despite the fact that Kerry's name recognition is much higher. On Saturday, Dean won a much-anticipated Wisconsin straw poll.

Liberal blogger Jerome Armstrong has been a strong Dean supporter for a while now and says that Dean can win the nomination largely by turning out his supporters in early caucus states.

Dean's candidacy is gaining momentum. On June 23, he'll hold a big event to formally "announce" his candidacy. The idea is to create buzz so that he can raise plenty of money by the June 30 FEC fundraising deadline for this quarter.

A Dean candidacy would be a dream come true for Republicans. Imagine a Democratic presidential candidate who's rabidly anti-war and promises to repeal all of the Bush tax cuts. Imagine such a candidate so wrapped up in a cocoon of liberal activists that he believes he can win by being more stridently liberal than any other presidential candidate. Ever. Now imagine Southern Democratic senators having to run for re-election with such a candidate at the top of the ballot.

If you're a conservative, you're probably saving up some money to donate to the president's re-election campaign. Might I suggest donating it to Dean instead? Republican candidates, especially the president, will raise large quantities of money anyway. To them your donation will be barely a blip on the screen. The Democrats are having a much tougher time raising money. Even a small contribution to Dean will help propel his campaign along. Don't you think that a good use of your money is to help the Democrats select as their presidential candidate a combination of Mondale and McGovern?

[NYC Republican]

Interesting take on the Dem up-coming primaries.

[csvset]

Dean has support with Ithica's Gay Community.

[Savage Beast]

When you think of Dean, remember the immortal words of Jeb Bush:

"He's not going to be President of the United States... I mean... I don't know what to say... I'm trying to be polite."

[codercpc]

Imagine a Democratic presidential candidate who's rabidly anti-war and promises to repeal all of the Bush tax cuts.

I wish everyone would stop saying "repeal all of the Bush tax cuts", and call it what it is a TAX INCREASE

These tax cuts (and hopefully more before 2004) are now the law. Any candidate who touches them will be raising our taxes.

Remember how it did Mondale in? Remember how he said he would raise our taxes? It's the same damn thing!

[blastdad51]

Send a few bucks to Dean or Sharpton. Either one will give you a high entertainment return for your money.

[Semper Paratus]

Dean represents the true core of the democrat party.
Can't think of a better nominee.

[dead]

Dean. Dean. Dependable Dean.

He's the best.

[COUNTrecount]

"Dean. Dean. Dependable Dean.

He's the best."

...........and his sausages are tasty, too.

[sticker]

Dean and Sharpton in 04. Has a catchy ring to it, doesn't it?

[CapandBall]

Be careful what you wish for, Dean is dangerous.

[Dark Wing]

You are going to love this. Imagine doing to the Democrats nationally what Gray Davis did to Republicans in the California gubinatorial primary.

[CapandBall]

Imagine a Democratic presidential candidate who got an "A" rating from the NRA, and is an Medical Doctor with a national health care plan.

Dean is dangerous.

[NYC Republican]

Dean is dangerous."

I'm not convinced that he's dangerous, but he is a very powerful speaker, when compared to the other bozos, and is very principled, won't back down on his beliefs, however radical they are...

[No Dems 2004]

Howard Dean is a fool. He's not in touch with Americans on most things, including homosexuality, which, in his dream world, he seems to think he's running for office in ancient Greece or on the island of Lesbos.

A recent Quinnipiac survey showed that, by a nearly 2 to 1 margin, Americans regard homosexual behaviour as morally wrong. What's more, especially in the electorally critical South and Midwest, a surprisingly large number of Americans feel that homosexual relations between consenting adults should be illegal (a narrow plurality in the Midwest). But Dean can't imagine that anybody would anything but love the perverts and their deviant activities.

Aside from homosexuality, he's fanatically anti-war, pro-abortion and anti-Bush all the way. I can't see him winning. He's just downright evil.

[Kenton]

I'm sorry, I can't support Dean. RevRunt Al is the officially endorsed Freeper's Choice~~~ ;)

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Be careful what you wish for, Dean is dangerous.

Dean IS dangerous. He'll grab all the dissatisfied Green party votes.

[ServesURight]

Gimme a break. Dean will be the first candidate to lose in all 50 states, breaking Mondale's ass-whipping.

[m1911]

That's possible. It's a long way to election time though, and I'm keeping my eye on him.

[m1911]

I think whoever gets the Democratic nomination in '04 will get most of the Green votes. I don't think they're going to give away Florida again, at the very least.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Dean is uniting a new generation of leftists behind him. In 1984 there wasn't a Green party back then (if there was it was very insignificant) and Dean doesn't possess none of that old-fashioned crass Democratic liberalism that stereotyped candidates such as Jesse Jackson and Mondale.

The scary thing is that he doesn't possess none of that phony New Democraticness either and doesn't have the baggage of Klinton. It's kind of hard to put it but I'm pretty sure FReepers know what I'm trying to say. Dean is a pure, hardcore leftist without coming across as a whacko. I don't think he'll beat Bush but he'll definetly give him a run for his $400 million.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

If Dean gets the nomination the Greens will definetly support him. Maybe Nader would run as his running mate. That would really give Bush the feces, whose only strength right now is defeating terrorism.

[m1911]

Bingo. And although I can't find any reason why they gave it to him, that "A" from the NRA could be tough to dismiss after GWB re-iterated his promise to sign a new AW ban. But I mean really, who ever heard of some ex-governor from a nowhere state like Arkansas oops, Vermont getting to the White House?

It's so far away though, that I can't dismiss another McGovern/Mondale style beat down either. Right now that's what would happen to him, but the guy seems to be able to talk up the wingers without freaking out the center (a la Kucinich/Sharpton). It's a loooong way to Election Day.

Once they primaries get close and they have to solidify positions, things will get clearer. Maybe. I hope we aren't talking about the Supreme Court in December 2004.

[Sonny M]

''Now you may not agree with me on gun control,'' Dean tells liberal audiences. But he'll go on to say that while he is ''pro-gun,'' he also supports both major gun-control proposals now before Congress -- renewing the assault weapons ban and requiring background checks at gun shows -- and he would veto any law that shields gun makers from litigation. In other words, Dean's ''pro-gun'' position is hardly distinguishable from the agenda of most liberal groups.

Thats according to the NY Times for gods sake, and they like him. Go to the archives here and look for the article "Dr. No and the Yes Men (Howard Dean)". That is the most in depth article I've seen on him, he is no man of principle.

[m1911]

Yep that is a good article on Dean and the DLC's reaction to him.

A great line from it:
"In the space of a few weeks, Dean became the antiwar candidate, the new Gene McCarthy."

Prophetic?

[rogue yam]

I was in downtown Portland OR yesterday. They had their "Gay Pride" thingie going on. As the crowd was breaking up I noticed numerous people wearing Dean campaign stickers. I did not see a single sticker for anyone else. I don't know what Dean has done to make himself the darling of the homosexuals but it seems to be a clear "orientation."

[Consort]

Dean will likely be the VP nominee if the Universal Health Care issue gains momentum, otherwise Graham will be chosen as VP nominee to win Florida.

[StriperSniper]

by turning out his supporters in early caucus states.

Heard on one of the cable newsies, 4 to 1 over Kerry in Wisconsin, all others quite a distance behind.

[CMClay]

"A Dean candidacy would be a dream come true"

Be careful what you ask for. Dean could be formidable.
Now Lieberman, Gephardt, Edwards, Sharpton...those would be good for Bush!

[m1911]

Graham has an easy wedge issue to split off part of the herd.

[m1911]

From the link in 24:

"He signed into law a measure that legalized civil unions for gay couples, a decision that was essentially mandated by the state's Supreme Court. "

I think that's why he's so popular with homosexual activists.

[CapandBall]

Gimme a break. Dean will be the first candidate to lose in all 50 states, breaking Mondale's ass-whipping.

I truely hope you are right, but I fear you are wrong.

[demolition angel]

One could argue, correctly, that Dean is simply arguing for the acceleration of Bush's '01 tax cut.

All of Bush's '01 tax cut sunset in 2010 (or 2011, I can't recall which).

IMO, the danger to Bush from Dean comes from Dean's track record of fiscal responsibility.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

I wish everyone would stop saying "repeal all of the Bush tax cuts", and call it what it is a TAX INCREASE

Don't you fear, Dean is getting the kit glove treatment from talk radio, once he gets ahead (I think they should keep quiet till he appears to wrap up the nomination) they will level him like few before.

His supporters will be wishing for the civility and respect that talk radio gives Hillary Clinton by the time that election is over.

Dean! Dean! DEAN!

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

I truely hope you are right, but I fear you are wrong.

Now is this because you are concerned or saddened Senator Daschel? This fear is so baseless its almost comical, except that I know you speak for many in the GOP. Its about time the GOP starts acting like adults and realize that their issues are superior, that they are a majority party, and start acting like it.

[codercpc]

Correct me if I am wrong, but part of Deans "fiscal responsibility" comes from balancing Vermonts budget. Doesn't Vermont have a state constitutional mandate to have a balanced budget?

I am more worried about his "A" rating from the NRA, which may influence some of the swing voters.

[demolition angel]

Nope.

Vermont is apparently the only state in the Union that has no constitutional or statutory mandate to have a balanced budget.

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/fiscal/tfl96n4a.htm

Dean's fiscal responsibility comes from taking an inherited budget deficit, paying it off, created a "rainy day" fund, reducing the state's long term debt, while also cutting income and other taxes.

[mabelkitty]

He's just another wealthy privelidged WASP in progressive clothing.

[codercpc]

Wow, then I am impressed (not enough to vote for him), but your right it could be a problem.

Not that it matters but was it done with a Dem Legislature or a Republican?

[demolition angel]

I honestly don't know.

However, given the fact that a majority of states are in budgetary problems, I think that this issue is likely to be more significant than the NRA rating on the "independent" voters.

[CapandBall]

My, arnt we cocky! Do you think Bush in '04 is a cakewalk? Who do you think would have the best chance challenging him?

Daschel doesnt stand a chance of beating Bush, but Dean could. I hope my concern is baseless.

[Jorge]

Remember how it did Mondale in? Remember how he said he would raise our taxes? It's the same damn thing!

yes...that's why we are so excited about his candidacy.
We want another Mondale Dem for president.

[Jorge]

Dean is no Mondale.

If he wants to repeal the Bush tax-cuts then he is saying the same thing as Mondale..which is he wants to raise our taxes. Pretty stupid.

Dean, in my opinion, is a combination of a moderate Democrat and a moderate Republican all wrapped up into one.

You've got to be kidding!
Dean is about as wacko left wing as they come.When the huge majority of the country supported Bush in Iraq..Dean was ripping Bush.
He's an idiot.

He can balance the budget, create and fund effective programs (he's not into fluff...he's a meat and potatoes policy guy), save money, raise the minimum wage, cut taxes for us normal folks (not just the top 2%)

Stop right there.
This "top 2%" BS proves to me this isn't an honest assestment of who Dean really is but more or the DemonRat smear campaign against Bush.
This is so phoney any easy to disprove..if you think this is going to help Dean..think again.

and get everyone insurance that doesn't mess with employer plans at all.

Sure...we're still waiting to hear about this great plan. You obviously have forgotten about Hitlary's national health insurance plan. It went into the trash can without a vote because even the Democrats knew it was unworkable.

[Jorge]

The majority of what I've read about Dean on this site is way off the mark. Just because he didn't agree with Bush on Iraq the press mistakenly called him a liberal, and he's not. He supported Bush on Afghanistan, so he's not anti-war, just anti-Iraq war.

Unfortunately for Dean..at least 70% support Bush on Iraq...and a small fraction of the remaining 30% supported Dean's position.

You seem to be telling us that Dean is hoping for some disaster in Iraq to be able claim he was right...which makes him look even more craven.

[NYC Republican]

cut taxes for us normal folks (not just the top 2%)

You're CLEARLY on the wrong site. Next time, just type into your browser the following - www.democraticunderground.com . Clearly you strayed over here to troll... When you pull out this lib trash -that only the top 2% benefit... WHO PAYS MOST OF THE TAXES??? Are you kidding? If you have an across the board cut, in terms of %, it's pretty much equal, in terms of $$$, of course someone paying a great deal more than you in the first place will receive more of THEIR money back when taxes are cut. It's not an entitlement program!

[NYC Republican]

He's also never lost an election in his political career...not one.

He doesn't have a prayer in this one

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

My, arnt we cocky! Do you think Bush in '04 is a cakewalk?

Well, I don't want to fire up demoralized Demos but...yup. Hands down. If you think an anti war, anti war on Terrorism kook like Dean has a PRAYER, were he to believe in God, after 9/11, where Bush bonded with the people, you are either an unparralleled defeatist, or not paying attention.

Daschel doesnt stand a chance of beating Bush, but Dean could. I hope my concern is baseless.

Who said Daschel is running? You SOUND like the Senator. He'll be lucky to hold his seat in SD. As for your "concerns" being baseless, that's the one thing I agree with.