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The Evil of Dating (Dating vs.Courtship)
Lewrockwell.com ^ | September 7, 2002 | Heather M. Carson

Posted on 06/19/2003 8:29:45 AM PDT by Korth

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To: FoxPro
get emotionally healthy
Hey "chookter" can you please tell me what the he11 this means?

Sure. it means:

"Buy a new motorcycle and some nice guns now that you don't have a screeching harpy to b!tch at you about how she needs more attention and independence, simultaneously, and how you'd have more time to give her attention and money so she could be a career woman if you weren't working or caring for the kids all the time!"

I figured out that for all the money I made in the last 20 years I could have stayed single and had at least a $500 hooker every week and still have a great lifestyle.

I have no kids. I'll get either a $500 hooker every week, or 2 $250 hookers.... I'm not afraid of hell--not after the last 4 years...

Wasn't that Sam Kinison who said: "When I get to hell for fornicating: Satan jumps out with flames and horns and goes: "BLAAAAUUGHAAAUUGH!!!" and when you say "What?",

Satan says: "Oh, You were married and the b!tch broke your heart and took all your stuff, huh? Well, here's your horns and pitchfork... Have fun!"

161 posted on 06/19/2003 2:47:55 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
But, as I haven't, neither should you, give up on pursuing things the right way.

That is the he11 of it: There Is no "Right Way" Anymore.....

I do wish I could find a man out there that would court me

I do wish that I could find a woman out there who doesn't have kids or debts or back taxes or a jealous cop boyfriend or a list of ex-lovers longer than the phone book to court....

162 posted on 06/19/2003 2:53:05 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: opus86
I would argue that God established marriage and it is a holy institution, regardless of the state or the participants.

That is my point--the holiness of marriage is independent of the state or participants--so why get hung up about whether the marriage is ratified by the secular officials?

163 posted on 06/19/2003 2:55:08 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: supercat
Ping, if you haven't seen this already. :)
164 posted on 06/19/2003 2:58:03 PM PDT by Under the Radar
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To: dubyaismypresident
Thats rich hehehhe LOL
165 posted on 06/19/2003 2:58:45 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: chookter
I'm sorry, I thought your argument was that it couldn't be holy if a lesbian wiccan was stamping the certificate.

If it isn't ratified, can it be marriage? What would you propose instead? If I'm not mistaken, in Joseph and Mary's time it was a simple contract (legal document) between Joseph and Mary's father.

You're saying (correct me if I'm wrong), "The state is corrupt and it screws over men in divorce proceedings." I don't disagree, however that doesn't dismiss the need for legal recognition. From my understanding of Scripture I'm not sure you can stand with your beloved and say, "God, we want to be married - please recognize this", then trot off for a week of hot sex in Maui.

(I gotta tell you, that lesbian wiccan with the stamp evokes some frightening images.)
166 posted on 06/19/2003 3:12:00 PM PDT by opus86
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To: chookter
I know exactly how you feel. It is a very hard world right now. I always view that idea of there being no right way anymore in context of what is said about salvation:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matthew 7:14

One day, hopefully you will have the opportunity to produce children of your own with the right woman, and raise them up correctly, so that someone lucky young man or woman will find a perfect life partner in them.
167 posted on 06/19/2003 3:12:20 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: opus86
If it isn't ratified, can it be marriage? What would you propose instead?

I'm not sure, but I don't think anyone can say now that the current American system is blessed and reflects a Biblical Marriage.

If I'm not mistaken, in Joseph and Mary's time it was a simple contract (legal document) between Joseph and Mary's father.

Wow, I'd go for that! At least the people who it matters most to are involved!

God cares about your marriage, you care about your marriage, the state profits more by its destruction, yet people argue that the blessing of the state must be secured for it to be blessed by God?

That isn't right....

168 posted on 06/19/2003 3:18:44 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
Understood...My point is, marriage has always been some sort of binding, legal agreement. If it isn't binding, ratified, recognized, what is it?

(soapbox on)
Now, please do yourself a favor and think twice before hiring the $500 hookers.
(soapbox off)

I hope things go well for you and that you avoid the losers, psychos, and lesbian wiccan court clerks.
169 posted on 06/19/2003 3:28:06 PM PDT by opus86
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To: chookter
about how she needs more attention and independence, simultaneously

I could never figure this out. My ex never had any capacity for logical thoughts or actions. Everything was based on emotion. I could never figure out how it is possible to do this and survive/function. It seems to disprove evolution.

I had to live with the ex for 6 months after our separation, because I am not paying rent and a mortgage at the same time, I am staying here until the stroke of midnight the day of transference. In the end she would, from time to time, burst out yelling at me screaming "Why don’t you look at me anymore". I would reply "because I aint getting any, Duhhhhhhh", that would really get her going.

At that point she would start throwing stuff at me, my daughter would call the police, and the cops would threaten to throw me in jail. All for not looking at her!

One night they were about ready to cuff me until I pointed out that I was the only one bleeding with bruises. I told them "this is my house, you don’t have a warrant, she is assaulting me, I can deal with that by myself, go away". They left, priceless.

Do you think they would arrest her? No way. And there is no way I would press charges, because I want absolutely NO dealings with the cops. I would rather be beaten than get involved in that way. By the way, I found out that vodka makes the beatings hurt less, but it also makes the head fakes to avoid the projectiles a little more challenging. Sometimes you just have to compromise.

Life is good!

170 posted on 06/19/2003 3:29:46 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: ColdSteelTalon
Then they arent reading the Bible for that point of view.

So YOU say, but that opinion isn't worth much. It is apparently their interpretation of the Old Testament and similar. They could very well claim greater authority than Christians in that respect. If you want assert some dubious "Christian authority" on the matter, stick to the New Testament.

171 posted on 06/19/2003 3:32:22 PM PDT by tortoise (Would you like to buy some rubber nipples?)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
One day, hopefully you will have the opportunity to produce children of your own with the right woman, and raise them up correctly, so that someone lucky young man or woman will find a perfect life partner in them.

I'm 35 and no prospects... I'm not sure being in my 50's and having teen agers is an appealing prospect--not to mention trying to find a female with nice young eggs at my age. (no point having a flipper-baby if you can avoid it...)

I'm an engineer and bodybuilder--a good provider by muscle or brain--which makes me precisely what neither America nor American women want anymore.

'America' has no use for me because my vote cannot be bought by either party because I don't depend on them...

and American women have no use for me because they don't depend on a provider when the government will provide for them and their offspring.

If I was needy, I would be rewarded by the government with social programs and rewarded by women with affection because they can stomp on me and the government will give them half my stuff....

172 posted on 06/19/2003 3:34:25 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: opus86
(soapbox on)
Now, please do yourself a favor and think twice before hiring the $500 hookers.
(soapbox off)

You're right--the two $250 hookers might be more fun!

;)

173 posted on 06/19/2003 3:36:02 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: opus86
I'm not sure you can stand with your beloved and say, "God, we want to be married - please recognize this", then trot off for a week of hot sex in Maui.

Why not. I want this.

174 posted on 06/19/2003 3:37:13 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: FoxPro
In the end she would, from time to time, burst out yelling at me screaming "Why don’t you look at me anymore". I would reply "because I aint getting any, Duhhhhhhh", that would really get her going.

Yeah! Mine is shacked up with a former friend of mine. I should be p!ssed, but it is the greatest favor anyone has done for me.

She still calls and gets nasty over little stuff and I say: "Hey! I'm not your husband anymore, you don't have to yell at me. I'm just some guy on the phone now."

Changes her behavior completely.

175 posted on 06/19/2003 3:39:35 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: tortoise
Interestingly, I've had fairly strict religious Jews tell me that non-/pre-marital sex is NOT considered a sin under many circumstances according to their religion. They've always told me that the fixation on total abstinence outside of marriage is something Christians invented, and not a part of its Judaic heritage.

Out of curiosity, suppose that two brothers, one of whom was first-born, got married and the elder brother were to die. Would Jews today consider it mandatory, optional, or improper that the youngest brother should sleep with his elder brother's widow and attempt to impregnate her?

176 posted on 06/19/2003 3:49:09 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: chookter
oh, now, don't say that. First off, women are forever marrying men much older than them. And my 44 yo brother just got remarried, from what I understand, to a very beautiful young woman (i haven't met her).
177 posted on 06/19/2003 3:51:33 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: chookter
With a key logger, I found out who her new boyfriend was, and she was really hot for this guy. I got his email address and wrote him a very polite note explaining how she committed adultery with my brother (and to confirm this by asking anybody in the family). I told him that he should keep an eye on his brother and father, because this may be an ongoing tendency, and that if he wanted endless baggage, this was the girl for him.

I know this was very effective, because she spent the whole next day sobbing in the basement. You see, her boyfriend couldn’t tell her why he was breaking up with her; it would be just too awkward, I had figured this would be the case. She never knew what hit her. She didn’t see anybody for a long time after that.

178 posted on 06/19/2003 3:56:29 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: supercat
My brother screwed my wife, and I wasent even dead yet!
179 posted on 06/19/2003 3:59:06 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: tortoise
The Bible is pretty clear on every sexual situation I can think of... Some Jews are liberals and interpret the Bible that way. I know one who thinks that any sexual realtion between a man and a woman is OK even outside of marriage.

Sorry but the Bible VERY clear on that one and I stand by it. You might not like what the Bible says but anyone who says that the Bible says that sex outside of marriage is OK then they are a heretic... Jew or Christian and they have traded the truth of God for Lie...
180 posted on 06/19/2003 4:06:36 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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