Posted on 06/19/2003 9:18:40 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
Here's what I care: I care that an objectively disordered behavior has come to be accepted as normal by mainstream society, and that this trend will continue and accelerate until the fundamental ties that have bound our civilization together dissolve in a sea of libertarian decadence, at whch point social order will collapse. Since "man is a political animal", social order will then be reimposed at bayonet point -- but who will be holding those bayonets?
Homosexual acts are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong -- and they will remain wrong no matter what the Canadians and the newspapers and the psychologists and even the bishops say. I will never change my belief on that point -- and if that makes it B-chan vs. the Universe, then you tell the Universe to bring it on.
Now you're getting nasty. Are you gay yourself? Because that's the stuff the gays throw out all the time: it's a taunt, not an argument, and I'll treat it as such by sweeping it aside with the rest of the trash.
So talk to us. Where are you coming from? You certainly seem to be willing to talk out of the side of your mouth about where I'm coming from. What's your deal, Neal?
Pinging.......
There has been socialized medicare in Canada for years. As a single person(widower) I pay 44.00 per month. That covers everything including 75% of drugs with a maximum cost of 25.00 per presciption.As far as waiting for care, if you want elective surgery, such as a hip replacement ect. you will have to wait six months to a year. My wife was diagnosed with cancer as I was, we were in the hospital two days later.
Also there is no limit to your stay or cost. I have a friend who has been on a kidney dialyis machine for eight months now. He will be there as long as he lives, three times a week.
Really what this amounts to is the Govt. returning some of your tax money.
Regards
And as the degree of rejection is lifted, a large chunk of the population will decide it is not hetero at all.
And all this is a compelling societal interest how?
You haven't answered my question yet.
You brought up my motivation. What's yours?
I face up to my beliefs every morning. And I don't cut myself.
So where do you get off calling me a hypocrite?
Counterfeiting is a choice. If counterfeiting is allowed....BZZZZZZT!!
Oops! Guess not.
That's because I believe in individual, not group, rights. The interests of society concern me very little.
And as the degree of rejection is lifted, a large chunk of the population will decide it is not hetero at all.
And all this is a compelling societal interest how?
This outcome is based on the assumptions of social conservatives, not mine.
I believe there is a genetic component to homosexuality, and to discriminate
against people for what they are is wrong. Allowing gay marriage is no where
near the catastrophe being posited.
My motivation is keeping government out of the private
lives of consenting adults, while granting every American
the full complement of citizenship and its responsibilities.
Oh, then you'd never run for public office, return a survey questionnaire to county government, or serve in a constitutional ratification convention?
The interests of society brought the Framers together.
This outcome is based on the assumptions of social conservatives, not mine.
Social conservatives are not required to theorize why society shouldn't accept a change. A vast change in the institution of marriage, particularly a deracinating and morally corrupting one such as is now on offer, requires its advocates to argue the reasons for its adoption, not the other way around.
It's telling that the Canadian court that passed that decree law allowing homosexuals to pretend to marry people of the same sex couched its argument in the same terms you do: asserting rights nobody has ever claimed over the interest of society, and pretending to see no compelling reason why their decree shouldn't be promulgated. Classic intellectual dishonesty, and very well done as one would expect from trained jurists.
What social conservatives expect is that more boys will grow up educated to be gay. More preteen and teenaged boys will be deflowered by pederasts and trained to be practicing homosexuals themselves. Gays have always replenished their tribe with acculturated, victimized, and heedless straights (ego-dystonic homosexuals in the jargon of DSM III, before even that phrase was taken down by propaganda-sensitive gays), and this is what they have in view.
Gay men are male first and foremost, and they don't care about the orientation of someone they want to have sex with. They just want the sex, and as long as they score, they'll tell society anything they think people will put up with. Right?
I believe there is a genetic component to homosexuality, and to discriminate against people for what they are is wrong.
Essentialism. "We're like black people. We yam what we yam and that's all what we yam." Yeah, well, we don't let pyromaniacs run around loose with matches, either.
Teenaged boys think they need sex with teenaged girls. That doesn't mean we don't impose draconian arrangements to make sure they don't have sex with teenaged girls. Social constructs. Rulesville.
Allowing gay marriage is no where near the catastrophe being posited.
Again, the argument is backward. Onus yours to prove the benefit. I said prove it, not just claim it.
God does forbid it. Our lives do not belong to us; they belong to God, and He has every right to tell us how to run them. I realize that in our secular culture the only gods allowed are Reason and Liberty, but nevertheless these are false gods; the narcissistic illusion of reason and the sensual slavery of liberty only entrap men -- they do not exalt him.
The liberal and atheistic idea of unlimited personal freedom is alien to truly conservative, Judeo-Christian culture. As a Christian and a conservative, I worship the only and true God, not the false goddess of Liberty, and I support the preservation and promotion of our culture's Judeo-Christian ethical traditions, not their abolition. The sort of "liberty" that advocates the freedom of consenting adults to do whatever they wish is and has always been a lie. Any attempt by humans to pridefully "run their own lives" on their own terms will end in failure, misery, and death, because happiness, success, and life comes only from humbling oneself and acknowledging the Fatherhood and authority of God.
The idea that we as humans are competent to "run our own lives" is what got humanity in this mess to begin with.Instead of trying to be God, we ought to obey the God That Is.
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