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Time to face facts: Gays gain victory
townhall ^ | June 20, 2003 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 06/19/2003 9:18:40 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

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To: gcruse
...restrained only by cultural rejection.

Why, gcruse, you just conceded that cultural norms play a heavy role in suppressing anti-social behavior. It's always nice when libertarians help to make the social conservative case.

121 posted on 06/23/2003 11:18:18 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: B-Chan
No problem...goodnight.
122 posted on 06/23/2003 11:19:55 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Likewise, there is a course taught at the University of Houston that emphasizes the differences in thinking (and in values) promoted by visual media -- primarily the movies, and later on TV -- from the usual word-based and audio-based thinking of the nineteenth century. I guess you could call it gestalt thinking versus rationalism, or something like that. Someone who's studied these topics formally could supply the vocabulary.

Thinking has always been primarily image driven. It was precisely because they had clear images of the dynamics of human interaction, that the Founding Fathers had such a profound grasp of what worked and did not work in the human condition. What has changed, today, is that Leftists in control of most of the visual media, have been able to create false and exaggerated images, that compete with the data bank of experience, with which most of us operate. Thus Hollywood and Television have had an enormous and very socially deleterious influence, because of their bias.

I have addressed this situation at some length in The Persuasive Use Of Images. The subject is of immense importance, if we are to turn the tide, and reclaim Western values and the American heritage from those who are sytematically destroying both.

William Flax

123 posted on 06/24/2003 8:57:55 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: gcruse
This outcome is based on the assumptions of social conservatives, not mine. I believe there is a genetic component to homosexuality, and to discriminate against people for what they are is wrong. Allowing gay marriage is no where near the catastrophe being posited.

Discrimination is the very essence of freedom. But apart from that, what if there is a genetic component to homosexuality. How can that possibly justify making a mockery of the concept of marriage--the sanctification of the biological mating process for humans. To call a ceremony between two people who are biologically incapable of consummating a marriage--that is mating--a marriage, is to fall down the rabbit hole with Alice, and not even appreciate that you have done so.

This is so obvious, that it scarcely needs further explanation. But consider, also, the fact, that in most jurisdictions, the inability to consummate a marriage has been considered grounds for annulment--for assuming that the marriage was void from the first. Why would anyone make a cause out of promoting such a travesty?

My motivation is keeping government out of the private lives of consenting adults, while granting every American the full complement of citizenship and its responsibilities.

You keep Government out of private lives, if you respect the Fourth Amendment and the equivalents in virtually every State Constitution. You keep Government out, by not breaking down doors to catch people, who have enough respect for their neighbors to keep their private acts private.

You are hardly keeping Government out of private lives, when you use Government to tell people they can not discriminate against other people, who offend them, in their own lives, on their own property, in their own businesses. That is intrusive Government of the worst order.

And you certainly are not keeping Government out of private lives, when you ask that Government make a farce out of traditional marriage, which is the pillar of traditional Society. When Government licenses an absurdity, it has an effect, if nothing else, it legitimizes and thus promotes, as well as confuses;--and if you cannot see that, you are blinded by the rhetoric of those promoting the deliberate breakdown of our cultural heritage, as well as every form of traditional morality.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

124 posted on 06/24/2003 9:19:05 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: biffalobull
Really what this amounts to is the Govt. returning some of your tax money.

LOL, there are more MRI units in Boston than Canada proper. If you're happy with sociaised health care, what can I say?

125 posted on 06/24/2003 5:59:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07; lentulusgracchus; TLBSHOW
Sexual Transmission

Of the sexual transfer mechanisms, the highest probability of transfer is clearly that of unprotected anal sex. Anal sex between an HIV positive male and an uninfected partner, either female or male, can result in transmission of the virus once in every three to ten sexual acts (1/3 to 1/10). That rests in sharp contrast to the probability of transfer through unprotected vaginal sex from an HIV positive male to an uninfected female (1/75 to 1/300), or the opposite transmission from an HIV positive female to an uninfected male through unprotected vaginal sex (1/300 to (1/1000).

Oral sex is also a mechanism of transmission, but the small number of verified cases of such transmission, and the fact that oral sex is often accompanied by other forms of sexual activity, make it difficult to estimate a probability. There do exist verified cases of oral sex transmission, both heterosexual and homosexual; the probability is low, but quite real. A recent report indicates that persons with allergies, asthma, eczema, and allergic meningitis are more susceptible to orogenital transfer, presumably because of the excess of lymphocytes responding to allergy-induced inflammations in the mouth and throat.

Anal sex is a more likely mechanism of transmission than vaginal sex, primarily because that part of the body, unlike the vagina, is not evolutionary adapted for the physical activity of sexual intercourse. Simply put, the lower end of the large intestine (rectum) is a thin-walled tube that breaks easily, bleeds when it breaks, and has a major supply of lymphocytes and macrophages (including the CD4 group) waiting to be infected by HIV.

From the perspective of functional anatomy, unprotected anal intercourse is biologically stupid! It is an open invitation to serious damage of the rectum as well as to the easy transfer of any sexually transmitted disease such as gonorrhea, syphilis, herpes, papilloma and Hepatitis B. Hepatitis B (for which there is a vaccine) is more easily transmitted sexually than HIV, and results in the death of some 20%-25% of those who acquire an infection.

http://www.arcmesa.com/pdf/hivfun0100.pdf

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126 posted on 06/27/2003 3:08:33 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan
thanks for the ping bryan
127 posted on 06/27/2003 3:10:38 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: TLBSHOW; Ff--150; 4ConservativeJustices; stainlessbanner; sheltonmac
The challenge for social conservatives, it seems to me, is to make the best of what they consider a bad situation. But that would require making some painful capitulations -intellectual, moral, philosophical and financial.

Well look here, Jonah wants us to accept homosexuality too. Man the neocons over at NRO are just right on all counts. We should just give up and embrace it!! < /sarcasm>

128 posted on 06/27/2003 3:11:56 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: TLBSHOW
I cannot bear to read such signs of defeatism on this thread. How can anyone believe that the homosexuals and the Left have won this battle? The homosexuals will never win because they will, in the end, die of sexually transmitted diseases. They will also rot in hell, if they make this lifestyle choice. The Lord did not create the organ of excretion for the purpose of sexual stimulation. Every one of us should get the argument across that homosexual behavior is not only against God's will but unhealthy, both sinfull and sick. No man is born that way. Temptation must be resisted every day, and Christians should help one another to fight against it.
129 posted on 06/27/2003 5:20:21 PM PDT by reborn22
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To: billbears
Well look here, Jonah wants us to accept homosexuality too. Man the neocons over at NRO are just right on all counts. We should just give up and embrace it!! < /sarcasm>

LOL. Let's all just sit around, hold hands and sing "Kumbayah". Not! Neo-cons are free to enjoy their Kool-Aid.

130 posted on 06/27/2003 8:52:21 PM PDT by 4CJ ("No man's life, liberty or property are safe while dims and neocons are in control")
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To: Bryan
Bryan, thanks for the post. You clearly document the societal interest that the Supreme Court, acting as a political not a juridical body, denied.

First, we have to break up the liberal monopoly in mainstream media and disemploy the journopolemicists.

Second, we have to disemploy the liberals in academia, removing tenure from people who do nothing but agitate, and also from anyone who has ever moved to deny tenure to someone else because he disagreed with their views -- which liberals in academia do all the time, and nobody ever calls them on it.

Third, we have to change the composition of the courts and replace the bench legislators and social activists with jurists.

Fourth, we have to get the Log Cabins out of the Republican Party, and displace and disemploy all the GOP pols who let them in -- and that includes, unfortunately, George W. Bush. The DemonRat Party will take the part of the gays reflexively in political affairs. The Republican Party perforce, as the only responsible political party, must defend traditional morality and public sexual hygiene. Therefore, any GOP politician who is unwilling to undertake this duty must go.

Fifth, we have to free the American Psychiatric Association from the undue influence of its gay lobby and get it to disestablish its standing "gay committees in charge of gayness", so that an open discussion of homosexuality as a paraphilia may resume after an interruption of 30 years.

That takes care of the table-tilters.

Then, we can engage the HRC and its lobby and force them to argue their position point-by-point in front of a candid public, unfiltered by their friends, sympathizers, closeted cabalists and back-channel contacts and helpers.

Then we will see what society thinks about homosexuality, and what our policy ought to be with respect to it.

Anyone who thinks the outcomes currently being obtained by the homosexuals for their agenda are the result of a free and open discussion of the truth is out of his tiny little mind. This is a rigged process, and they are doing the rigging. We have to admit that first, and go about cleaning up the game, before we can have an honest discussion about these issues.

131 posted on 06/28/2003 4:14:54 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: reborn22
Hey, check my defeatism quotient in my post #131.

Regards,

"LG"

132 posted on 06/28/2003 4:16:33 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Terrific, LG. Your post #131 is inspirational. That's a real agenda for change. Truly refreshing.
133 posted on 06/28/2003 5:46:43 PM PDT by reborn22
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To: reborn22; Bryan; EdReform
Thank-you bump.
134 posted on 06/28/2003 7:00:35 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus; Diogenes; TLBSHOW; Luis Gonzalez; AMDG; Maximus; aristeides; diotima
Realistically speaking, a lot of the people in power (such as Bush) can and should be convinced to change their positions on this issue.

On a lighter note, there's some leftie on another talkboard named "finnegansawake" who is convinced that I'm over there using the name "Law98." The so-called evidence is that this Law98 fellow copied my post from here about the dangers of anal sex, and posted it over there.

It's a long story and it's a laugh a minute. I should fill you in on it some time.
135 posted on 06/28/2003 7:04:53 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: lentulusgracchus

"Fourth, we have to get the Log Cabins out of the Republican Party, and displace and disemploy all the GOP pols who let them in -- and that includes, unfortunately, George W. Bush. The DemonRat Party will take the part of the gays reflexively in political affairs. The Republican Party perforce, as the only responsible political party, must defend traditional morality and public sexual hygiene. Therefore, any GOP politician who is unwilling to undertake this duty must go."

Well sir, I couldn't agree with you more - especially on this point.

As much as I admire and support Dubya, I am equally disgusted with his cowardice on this issue as it relates to strengthening the traditional family.

But what alternative do we have?

Bush has let me down on not standing against this. His stand on border patrol reform is horrendous also.

America is in a sad, sad state.

136 posted on 06/28/2003 7:17:52 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Bryan
Realistically speaking, a lot of the people in power (such as Bush) can and should be convinced to change their positions on this issue.

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Now don't get me started bryan....LOL
137 posted on 06/28/2003 7:29:29 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: Happy2BMe
Bush has let me down on not standing against this. His stand on border patrol reform is horrendous also.

Bush's congeniality toward the Log Cabins and their growing influence within the Party is quizzical, given his personal morality (which I don't for a minute reproach) and his devotion to his wife and family.

I can't figure out to what to attribute his stance on these matters, except that the NeoCons have been ragging on him and the party leadership for years to ditch the social agenda as a "loser" in battleground states. I've referred in the past to Christopher Caldwell's benchmark July 1998 article in The Atlantic Monthly on divorcing the South, and Bush's approach to the Log Cabins, his promotion of pro-abortion judges to the appellate court (a Freeper referred to one of them as "El Souterito"), and his generally squishy posture on non-economic issues, which contrasts sharply and unfavorably with his hard line in favor of delivering tax cuts to Park Avenue investors.

In short, Bush acts as though he'd been governor of Massachusetts, not governor of Texas.

We can't reward him with support, if he's going to diss the family values he lives, when it comes time to articulate public policy and nominate Supreme Court justices. Particularly when the party of hedonism, sodomy, and personal corruption in every dimension of life -- from lying books to perjury to adultery and onanism in the Whie House -- unbelievable! Just unbelievable! -- will automatically take up every opposed position, in favor of every form of human degradation there is, being exalted in policy to the "equally valid construct" peer of High Mass in St. Peter's Basilica on Easter morning.

And I agree with you completely about the Border Patrol, and see that as further evidence that he is supporting a modified McKinleyite agenda -- no tariffs, but lots of wage-breaking, unrestricted immigration, and corporate welfare.

138 posted on 06/28/2003 7:35:52 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Ohioan
What has changed, today, is that Leftists in control of most of the visual media, have been able to create false and exaggerated images, that compete with the data bank of experience, with which most of us operate. Thus Hollywood and Television have had an enormous and very socially deleterious influence, because of their bias.

Yes, I thoroughly agree, we have been subjected to the fire-hose treatment with a literal torrent of propagandistic imagery intended to shift and condition our political responses, since the days of Sergei Eisenstein.

The Left have always been liars, and I think they prefer to lie in pictures -- pictures are more difficult to call lies. Witness the long, winding Susan Sontag commentary on someone's posed montages of "Images of War". Sontag was't commenting on war directly, but through the refracting prism of another Leftist's depiction of it.

139 posted on 06/28/2003 7:43:27 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
I fear we are stuck with a relenting man hopeful of some eventual good within the next four or five years.

God knows the moral leadership within the Demoncratic ranks is even worse.

The possibility of a government posessing integrity, morality, and decency is far from us - perhaps never to appear again.

Goodbye America.

140 posted on 06/28/2003 8:38:21 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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