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Mein Gott! America is the new Germany
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 06/21/03 | Matthew Parris

Posted on 06/20/2003 4:27:04 PM PDT by Pokey78

Germans are America’s big ethnic secret. No people and no culture has contributed more to what the United States is and is becoming. In the nation’s ethnic tangle, no root runs deeper than German America. As a scattered community only fitfully conscious of its own existence, none has more successfully pursued wealth, power and intellectual influence. And as a philosophical force in US politics — a whole political mindset — none has greater potency. Germany as a European state may have lost her way, the German language may struggle to keep its world grip, but the German spirit is alive and well and living in — and through — America: Bismarck’s last laugh on modern history.

Yet from new Labour to the Tory Right, the British Establishment has fallen in love with the reincarnation of our former European enemy, even as our Europeanism sours. Across much of conservative Britain, an embrace with America is welcomed as a healthy, English-speaking alternative to the sinister advance of the Franco-German axis.

Why? It is understandable that the British do not feel towards America the visceral distrust that continental Europe arouses. Americans speak English. Their invasions have been peaceful. We remember the Mayflower, the Founding Fathers, and the familiar English surnames of almost all the Presidents until Roosevelt. We remember, too, that the United States did (after a slight hiccup) support us against Germany in both world wars, and we take vicarious pride in seeing another great English-speaking country — once ours — stride the globe: imperialism by proxy. We count the Americans as our cousins. These world-beaters are our kith and kin, are they not?

No, they are not. America’s cousins are the Germans. This is true literally — in blood lineage — but also the personalities of the two nations. Modern America has become more Germanic than it is British. The New England aristocracies are pushed aside, Mittelamerika rides high, yet few notice and still fewer discuss the Teutonic phase the country is now entering. A common language — English — overlays deep cracks in the collective American psyche, blurring the outline of a vast community so submerged that its members have all but lost consciousness of what they have in common: an outlook.

Everybody knows about the blacks and the Hispanics (each about 10 per cent of the population in the 1990 US Census). Irish-Americans are slightly less than 16 per cent. Those of broadly English origin are even fewer — some 13 per cent. Italian-Americans are 6 per cent. But nearly a quarter (23.3 per cent) of all Americans are of predominantly German origin. They are easily the biggest single ingredient in the New World melting pot. Financially and politically they are also among the most successful. Were the pie chart to be adjusted according to wealth, the German-American share would grow further. A roll-call of the names of elected congressmen (or the presidents of the great US corporations) sounds like the calling of the register in a Bavarian kindergarten. As for the power of ideas, the US academic and research world is stuffed with German-descended talent.

After the Holocaust, it may be tactless to mention the flowering in the New World of the union between the German and the Jewish traditions, but the fruits have been extraordinary and America has been the beneficiary. The energy and genius of this small community has earned it an influence beyond its numbers. The cultural inheritance of German-Jewish immigrants was a powerful hybrid, and the inheritance is fresh because the wave came late. Names such as Wolfowitz, Perle or Fleischer are only recently famous: but the political and academic contribution is long-standing, and so is the contribution to the national media. The most recent issue of The Economist argues that the philosopher Leo Strauss, who fled the Holocaust for the US, is the leading intellectual influence on the neoconservatives in Washington.

German America hardly amounts these days to a community: it is almost too predominant to know itself. Its ancestors were among the earliest citizens of their emerging New World nation: they came early — before the Revolution and immediately after. They learnt to see themselves as Americans rather than look back. They have had time to assimilate. The days when (for example) the State of Pennsylvania almost made German its official language are gone. In what some might call a thoroughly Teutonic manner, many German-American families wiped their family slates clean of the old language and kinships and invested unstintingly in their new loyalty. Kurt Vonnegut, in his autobiographical Palm Sunday, says: “My parents volunteered to make me ignorant and rootless as proof of their patriotism.”

Indeed, you could argue that one reason German America has been in the driving seat has been that German-Americans have been so ready to forsake a separate identity, assume a new one, and push on. Many even Anglicised their names, further complicating the statistics.

Still, the roll-call of names is impressive, Donald Rumsfeld’s being only a latecomer to the pack. George W. Bush’s partly German ancestry — Amish and Mennonite through the Demuth family, who were 18th-century immigrants from Saxony — is well-known. Surnames (if you seek them) tumble from the books of modern American history — Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kissinger.

But this argument is not about amassing names or imagining conspiracies. Americans’ ancestries are a hotchpotch, and which surname a US citizen ends up with can be haphazard, saying little about his family’s active cultural inheritance. There is no membership and no plot. What there is is a confluence of successful citizens with shared ways of looking at the world, helping to shape a national personality. In a family-centred society, culture, taste and attitude are heritable down the generations long after folk memories of the old country are gone. A German-descended American friend of mine from Pennsylvania said: “I went to Berlin and took a train to Prague. The food was the food I grew up with — meat, sausage, potatoes and cabbage. The houses outside the cities looked American, with unwalled gardens of grass around detached, single family homes. It was spooky."

Spookier for me has been reading the way German statesmen used to talk, and listening to the way Donald Rumsfeld talks now. Italian and Irish America have made their own distinctive mark on political life in the US. It would be surprising if Germanic attitudes were not contributing in different ways.

What are these? In an article in The New Republic two years ago, Peter Beinart suggested the following qualities as typical of the German American in politics: “earnest”, “strait-laced” and “disciplined”. Voters, he adds, “like politicians, are often products of political traditions they do not fully comprehend. And those political traditions often have their origins in an America more ethnically segmented than it is today.”

To Beinart’s list I would add the work ethic and energy — never something that the British Establishment has been sure it wholly admired. In March 1990, Margaret Thatcher summoned to Chequers a team of historians, academics and specialists to advise her on a unified Germany’s long-term intentions and abiding characteristics. A leaked memo quoted: “Angst, aggressiveness, assertiveness, bullying, egotism, inferiority complex, sentimentality and capacity for excess.” I would add these: candour; a yearning for structure and direction; impatience with ambiguity; a weakness for approaching problems in a blindly, sometimes self-defeatingly, methodical way; and overconfidence.

I do not find all these qualities unattractive. I love the sudden directness of Germans; I share their hankering for road maps in life; I admire bullishness; and I think an instinct to impose theory and system on a haphazard world marks a high order of intelligence. Notwithstanding the caveats one must enter about all generalisation, I cite these assessments neither to praise nor condemn, but as contributing to a national personality.

But is it not uncannily like George W. Bush’s America? Is it not as close an approach as we are likely to get to a definition of the neoconservative personality? And has the Tory Right removed continental Germans from the party’s guest list, only to welcome their reincarnation from across the Atlantic?

Out goes Vorwärts! and in comes Yee-ha! Somebody should whisper in Britain’s ear: America is the new Germany.


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To: Prodigal Son
Here's an oldie but a goodie from ancient Rome

OVA SFONGIA EX LACTE (Pancakes with Milk)

Ingredients:


* 8 eggs
* 600ml milk
* 100ml oil
* a little bit honey
* a little bit ground pepper

Instructions:


Mix eggs, milk and oil until you have a pancake dough. Fry in a pan and serve topped with honey and a little pepper.
61 posted on 06/20/2003 5:42:42 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Pokey78
BTTT
62 posted on 06/20/2003 5:46:25 PM PDT by varon
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To: meenie
Achtung! The German-Americans are trying to take over the world, yah?

Yah yah, this might explain my strnge urge to boycott French products lately. Ah, then again, maybe not.

63 posted on 06/20/2003 5:47:06 PM PDT by Desron13
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To: Pokey78
"Surnames (if you seek them) tumble from the books of modern American history — Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kissinger."

Um, Roosevelt? Dutch, not Deutsch.

The German qualities listed sure sound like hubby, whose German forbears came here 130 years ago. He was raised by his English Mom and Alsatian Dad (German father, French mother) in a totally American manner. I'm thinking the German inheritance has come through.
64 posted on 06/20/2003 5:53:42 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Pokey78
Surnames (if you seek them) tumble from the books of modern American history — Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kissinger.

Roosevelt is Dutch.

65 posted on 06/20/2003 5:58:52 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Pokey78
Funny but I'm half Scots half German from family lines that have both been in America for close to 200 years. As far as keeping the best and ditching with worst traits, I keep my temper in check and hardly ever drink alcohol.

I think my ancestors in Europe would have gone into shock.

66 posted on 06/20/2003 5:59:04 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Pokey78
What are these? In an article in The New Republic two years ago, Peter Beinart suggested the following qualities as typical of the German American in politics: “earnest”, “strait-laced” and “disciplined”.

I remember that New Republic article. And Beinart said that German-Americans were slightly more than average likely to be LIBERAL.

The OP article here is only slightly subtle assasination of our national character. His statements that he likes the German character rings hollow when he associates Germans with "neoconservatives," which coming from a guy like this is no more or less than an insulting term for conservatives.

67 posted on 06/20/2003 6:07:42 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Pokey78
I'd like to tell this guy that MY earliest American ancestors came over on the Mayflower. From England, in case he has forgotten.
68 posted on 06/20/2003 6:07:55 PM PDT by redhead
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To: Pokey78
Huh.

And the point is...?
69 posted on 06/20/2003 6:07:56 PM PDT by lodwick
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To: ffusco
I'll have to keep that one in mind next time I'm in the kitchen.
70 posted on 06/20/2003 6:10:16 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: DoctorMichael
I am begining to feel isolated as a Yankee, English, I am almost ashamed we stated the Revolution, wrote the Declaration and the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I don't like German beer either, West County Ales are the rule.
71 posted on 06/20/2003 6:17:42 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: DoctorMichael
I am begining to feel isolated as a Yankee, English, I am almost ashamed we stated the Revolution, wrote the Declaration and the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I don't like German beer either, West County Ales are the rule.
72 posted on 06/20/2003 6:18:07 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: Dark Wing
ping the thread and recipes
74 posted on 06/20/2003 6:20:43 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Shermy
A group of prominent intellectuals and activists formed the Project for the New American Century, for the purpose of influencing American foreign policy. Some of these thinkers were advocating the overthrow of Iraq well before Dubya ran for President, so it seems fair to treat them as important.

PNAC certainly has an influential membership-

Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett,

Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen,

Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes,

Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney,

Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad,

I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz,

Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen,

Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber,

George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz

whether they consider themselves "neoconservatives" is probably up to them. Some seem to have identified themselves as such in the past.

75 posted on 06/20/2003 6:21:48 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: Servant of the Nine
The threatening "Prussian" character of Germany in the last 150 years is a product of Otto von Bismark

I resemble that remark, to quote the great philosopher "Curly".;{)

76 posted on 06/20/2003 6:22:43 PM PDT by danmar ("The two most common elements in the Universe is Hydrogen and Stupidity" Albert Einstein)
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To: Otto von Bismark
Nyuck,nyuck, nyuck!
77 posted on 06/20/2003 6:26:26 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Little Bill
I don't like German beer either, West County Ales are the rule.


I enjoy Bass, Harp, Guinness and Sam Adams.
78 posted on 06/20/2003 6:29:23 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Pokey78
He seems to be saying all WASP's are Germanic. Interesting that he thinks they are taking over only now - when everybody has been arguing for 30 years that they have been losing their power in the US.

Incidentally, there used to be a big German community in NYC in the East Village, but it split up after a major ferry boat disaster killed scores of their children on an outing. I guess that caused them to spread out and "take over." Since Franklin Roosevelt, one of the "Germans" to this fellow's way of thinking, stopped Nazism dead in its tracks, hard to see how that is a bad thing.

79 posted on 06/20/2003 6:34:31 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Pokey78
Germans are America’s big ethnic secret. No people and no culture has contributed more to what the United States is and is becoming. In the nation’s ethnic tangle, no root runs deeper than German America.

So what?

As a scattered community only fitfully conscious of its own existence, none has more successfully pursued wealth, power and intellectual influence.
Huh? How many German presidents are there in US History?(Three?) Congressman? Senators? I suspect the number is quite low outside of Wisconsin, Penn, or Minnesota. Last I checked, we didn't have many Grubers, Schmidts, and Schultzes in elected office, especially compared to the amount of Germans in the US.

familiar English surnames of almost all the Presidents until Roosevelt
Roosevelt(Dutch? German?), Truman(don't know), Eisenhower(German), Kennedy(Irish), Johnson(English name), Nixon(English), Ford(English), Carter(English), Reagan(Irish), Bush(Engligh), Clinton(English).

We remember, too, that the United States did (after a slight hiccup) support us against Germany in both world wars,

And Germans in the US were less removed from Germany than they are now.

No, they are not. America’s cousins are the Germans. This is true literally — in blood lineage — but also the personalities of the two nations. Modern America has become more Germanic than it is British

I have no German blood whatsoever. Germans also are more against the US now than ever. This is ridiculous.

The New England aristocracies are pushed aside, Mittelamerika rides high, yet few notice and still fewer discuss the Teutonic phase the country is now entering.

The Aristocracies SHOULD be pushed aside.

A roll-call of the names of elected congressmen (or the presidents of the great US corporations) sounds like the calling of the register in a Bavarian kindergarten. As for the power of ideas, the US academic and research world is stuffed with German-descended talent.

They are? In my state which has a LOT of Germans...Stupak(unknown - possibly German), Hoekstra(Dutch), Ehlers(Dutch), Camp(English), Kildee(Sounds German or Dutch), Smith(English), Rogers(English), Knollenberg(possibly German or Dutch), Miller(English), Levin(Jewish), Conyers(Black), Kilpatrick(Black), Dingell(Polish with Irish name). 2 or 3 out of 15?

The energy and genius of this small community has earned it an influence beyond its numbers. The cultural inheritance of German-Jewish immigrants was a powerful hybrid

Ahhhhhhhhhhh. I think I know what he's aiming at.

Names such as Wolfowitz, Perle or Fleischer are only recently famous: but the political and academic contribution is long-standing, and so is the contribution to the national media. The most recent issue of The Economist argues that the philosopher Leo Strauss, who fled the Holocaust for the US, is the leading intellectual influence on the neoconservatives in Washington.

Dem Jew boys......

Spookier for me has been reading the way German statesmen used to talk, and listening to the way Donald Rumsfeld talks now. Italian and Irish America have made their own distinctive mark on political life in the US. It would be surprising if Germanic attitudes were not contributing in different ways

So what? Germans certainly contributed to this country, as have others.

But is it not uncannily like George W. Bush’s America? Is it not as close an approach as we are likely to get to a definition of the neoconservative personality? And has the Tory Right removed continental Germans from the party’s guest list, only to welcome their reincarnation from across the Atlantic?

No.

---------------------------------------------------- Once again, the lefty talking heads in Europe show their utter ignorance of America.

80 posted on 06/20/2003 6:34:47 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Say goodnite to da Bad Guy" - Tony Montana)
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