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John Edwards Calls Bush a Crook-Coddling Pinko
Slate.com ^ | 6/20/03 | William Saletan

Posted on 06/21/2003 10:23:43 PM PDT by NYC Republican

John Edwards calls Bush a crook-coddling pinko. By William Saletan Posted Friday, June 20, 2003, at 3:32 PM PT

A few days ago, John Edwards delivered the most audacious speech of the 2004 presidential season. Just my luck, I missed it. Fortunately, the Edwards campaign has put the text on its Web site. The argument is so clever and ambitious that for now I'm just going to try to outline it. We'll have time to revisit it as the campaign goes on.

1) I'm pro-capitalism and anti-big government. Edwards repeatedly praised "our great free enterprise system." He argued, "American's small businesses create jobs better than any government program. Our markets allocate capital more efficiently than any bureaucrat." He repudiated "the notion among some in my party that we could spend our way out of every problem." He embraced (without crediting Bill Clinton) a philosophy that "trusts people to make the most of their own lives and gives them the chance to do so." He pledged to use savings from the partial repeal of Bush's tax cuts "not for new programs, but to restore fiscal discipline and to give tax cuts to middle-class Americans."

2) Capitalism isn't greed; it has values and rules. Key sentence: "Yet our free enterprise system also depends on values: innovation, integrity, hard work, and great rewards for honest success." One rule is that teammates go up or down together: "The captains of industry who create jobs and wealth deserve to be rewarded richly, but it's wrong when they walk away with staggering bonuses while regular workers' pensions are cut." Another rule is that ownership should be widespread, because it promotes good citizenship. "I want to make sure everybody has the chance to be an owner," said Edwards. "Under my plan, every American will have the chance to be an owner—to buy a home, save for college, invest in America." He offered buyers "a $5,000 tax credit toward the down payment on their first home," since there's "nothing better than home ownership to give citizens a stake in fighting crime, keeping the neighborhood clean, and building stronger schools."

3) Corporate cheaters are subverting those values and rules. The "free enterprise system … has been betrayed by a handful of swindlers," said Edwards. "Our economy, our people, and our nation have been undermined by the crony capitalists who believe that success is all about working the angles, working the phones, and rigging the game, instead of hard work, innovation and frugality."

4) Bush is a cheater, too. Edwards repeatedly drew parallels between sneaky corporate governance and sneaky Republican government: "Our great free enterprise system has been rocked by some at the top who put their own fortunes ahead of their company's future and their employees' hard work. Our democracy has been wounded by some at the top who put favors for the few ahead of what's right for the whole nation." Referring to the game-rigging ethic of stock manipulators, Edwards charged, "These manipulators find comfort in an Administration which, through its own example, seems to embrace that ethic." He noted that "some of our most powerful leaders stand accused of letting big campaign contributors write special favors into law."

5) Bush's overt policies also flout capitalist values. Edwards accused Bush of taxing "work" more heavily than "wealth." Here's the math: "Middle-class families pay income tax on their earnings at a rate of up to 25%, plus another 7.65% in payroll tax. Yet under the law President Bush just signed, a CEO who pays himself whatever he wants can sell millions of dollars in stock and pay tax at a total rate of 15%." To strip the CEO's investment gains of moral value, Edwards described them as "unearned income."

Edwards discussed the tax burden in relative rather than absolute terms, thereby making any tax cut for the rich look like a tax increase for the middle class. Republicans "are determined to cut taxes on that wealth, year after year, and heap more and more of the burden on people who work," he said. "They have driven up the share of the tax burden for most working people." Edwards also attacked Bush for cutting the estate tax. "People who inherit massive estates ought to pay taxes too," he argued. Implicitly distinguishing himself from Bush, Edwards concluded, "A country where the sweat and toil of mill workers can give a boy the chance to one day run for president is a far different place than a country that says how you're born, not how hard your work, is all that matters."

6) Bush is raising taxes. "As a direct result of this president's policies, all across this country people are seeing their property taxes, their sales taxes, their state and local income taxes, and their college tuition bills go up," said Edwards. "I'm going to tell America the whole story: This president is the reason your taxes are going up. I'm going to cut them."

7) Bush is soft on crime. "The way to create new wealth is by rewarding work and responsibility, not coddling the privileged and going soft on executives, accountants, and analysts who squander other people's money," said Edwards.

8) Bush is as bad as a socialist. Key paragraph: "This is the most radical and dangerous economic theory to hit our shores since socialism a century ago. Like socialism, it corrupts the very nature of our democracy and our free enterprise tradition. It is not a plan to grow the American economy. It is a plan to corrupt the American economy."

9) Bush is unpatriotic. Bush "turned around and signed a bill that lets people shelter dividends from companies that don't pay taxes at all, including companies that evade taxes by setting up headquarters in Bermuda," said Edwards. Worse yet, Republicans "refused to cut taxes for the children of 250,000 American soldiers who are risking their lives for us in Iraq, so they could cut dividend and capital gains taxes for millionaires who were selling stocks short until the war was over."

In a nutshell, Edwards is trying to turn the traditional politics of left and right upside down. It may be too crazy to pull off, but it's easily the most interesting thing anybody in this race has said so far.


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To: daviddennis
The first lawyer elected Speaker of the House of Representatives--Jonathan Dayton--was arrested for conspiracy to commit treason. That was in 1807. Didn't take lawyers long to get in there and corrupt the system.

(the first Speaker was a minister, the second was in the oil and shipbuilding business, Dayton was the third).

21 posted on 06/21/2003 11:14:23 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: Lancey Howard
"My money says Edwards is not nearly the liar Clinton was."

Let me clarify - - Edwards will lie as much as Clinton. Just not as well.

22 posted on 06/21/2003 11:20:46 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Bonaparte
"After 4 years in the Senate, Edwards racks up a cumulative ACU score of 15, clearly identifying himself as a socialist. It's hilarious to watch him try to position himself to the right of the other dems."

Excellent, excellent post!
Edwards is indeed as phony as a three-dollar bill.
What a scumbag.

23 posted on 06/21/2003 11:23:57 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: DPB101
"Labor is way over-taxed. Wealth is sometimes barely taxed at all"

Democrats had 8 years to modify the tax system to "tax the wealthy", and instead they gave tax cuts to major corporations, then taxed the middle class.

How is wealth barely taxed? I know one person who lives in NYC and with federal, state and local taxes he pays 62% of his income in taxes (that's just income tax).

For all the wealthy people who claim they don't want their tax cut, I'd be happy to help them with their tax with-holding and return forms so they can overpay taxes.

24 posted on 06/21/2003 11:38:40 PM PDT by Susannah (Over 200 people murdered in L. A.County-first 5 mos. of 2003 & NONE were fighting Iraq!!)
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To: NYC Republican
My husband said "Get rid of the TV cable next year and don't watch the news or read the paper...." They will be so full of BS like Edward's BS! It is going to be the dirtiest campaign season ever.
25 posted on 06/21/2003 11:43:42 PM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"How is he going to get the nomination from the Leftists of the Democratic party saying nice things about Capitalism?"

He's not. That b!tch already has it all planned to come in and "save the party" come convention time:


26 posted on 06/21/2003 11:46:41 PM PDT by Henchster
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To: Lancey Howard
Let me clarify - - Edwards will lie as much as Clinton. Just not as well.

Excellent!

27 posted on 06/22/2003 5:53:17 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican; Howlin; Carolina; jern; Jumper
Edwards on the economy:

"I think we have to get back to what worked in the 90's, you know. We know what works. What happened in the 80's and what's happening now doesn't work. You know we've learned these lessons. I think it's balanced budgets; it's fiscal discipline. I opposed the tax cut that the president got passed through the Congress in a highly partisan vote. I thought it was irresponsible. To me I go back [inaud.] commonsense. The notion that we were going to be able to predict what was going to happen not only this year or the following year but ten years from now is just comical. I mean it was ridiculous for us to be thinking like that. And we've seen -- You know over the course of the last year, during the first year of this administration, we've seen, what, $4 trillion disappear, I think its four trillion, disappear from the projected surpluses." ~ Sen. John Edwards, Remarks at House Party Chris & Kristin Sullivan's Home -Concord, NH, Feb. 2002.

See also:
How the DLC Does It  (Edwards's BIG BUSINESS pals ~>New Dems)
Edwards: Hillary’s Liberal Equal?
Edwards flunks econ

28 posted on 06/22/2003 11:19:54 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (***Hillary sells out USA to EU socialists!***http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/930511/posts)
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To: NYC Republican
One wannabe that must never be.
29 posted on 06/22/2003 11:35:18 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Rightwards, Leftwards, now John offers Edwards-backward from forward, appealing to retards.)
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To: Susannah
"Labor is way over-taxed. Wealth is sometimes barely taxed at all"

Don't get me wrong here. I'm for lower taxes for everyone. But once one has wealth, a tax deductable and/or low tax life-style is not difficult to do.

Consider a company which goes public. The insiders become millionaires on paper. No taxes are paid. "It is only paper " you say. Well, yes and no. It is collateral which can be used to create more income. While someone working at McDonald's has to pay for transportation to work with after taxed money, the new millionaires fly around in a corporate jet which is a business expenses. The invest, if they choose, in tax free munis. They form foundations and put the family to work there in a favorable tax environment.

30 posted on 06/22/2003 11:54:20 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: Keith in Iowa
John Edwards Calls Bush a Crook-Coddling Pinko

When did Bush become a trial lawyer?

The dip stick powder puff probably doesn't even know what a pinko is :)

31 posted on 06/22/2003 12:49:59 PM PDT by evad (Lying..It's WHAT they do, it's ALL they do and they WON'T stop...EVER!!)
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To: okie01
"a CEO who pays himself whatever he wants can sell millions of dollars in stock and pay tax at a total rate of 15%."

Then the CEO spends 30 million building a new house that employs 70 workers who all pay taxes somewhere, spend money on food, clothing and booze etc. that brings in even more taxes.

The bottom line is the 85% in money the CEO paid really resulted in about 200% in taxes to local, state and the federal Gov't. Not a bad investment for the Gov't to only tax 15% for a 200% return !

32 posted on 06/22/2003 1:02:21 PM PDT by america-rules (I'm one proud American right now !)
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To: NYC Republican
"Middle-class families pay income tax on their earnings at a rate of up to 25%, plus another 7.65% in payroll tax. Yet under the law President Bush just signed, a CEO who pays himself whatever he wants can sell millions of dollars in stock and pay tax at a total rate of 15%."

So, you want to tax everyone at 15%? That would get my support.

By the way, stock options only became a problem when Slick stopped corporations from writing off more than $1,000,000 annual salaries.

33 posted on 06/22/2003 1:09:04 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: DPB101
Consider a company which goes public. The insiders become millionaires on paper. No taxes are paid.

Those insiders first had to create something which employed people and created value. Taxes are paid on both.

"It is only paper " you say. Well, yes and no. It is collateral which can be used to create more income.

So, you borrow against your "paper"? You still have to make more than you're paying in interest.

34 posted on 06/22/2003 1:13:12 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Husker24
A good lawyer can at least make lies look like the truth, these lies are so obvious that a retarded five year old could figure them out

...Except, most if not all, liberal voters ARE three year olds...crying little children..."MINE, MINE, MINE...etc."

35 posted on 06/22/2003 1:21:22 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So, you borrow against your "paper"? You still have to make more than you're paying in interest.

Compare the cost of money.

Non taxed appreciated stock as collateral will get you loans under 10%.

A landscape gardener, working from job to job, has to expand his business off taxed income. He pays the government at least 30% on the money he needs to reinvest to continue working.

Once again, I am not taking the "soak the rich" position. I am only saying labor is taxed at a very high rate while wealth is not. Rush, who thank God has never forgotten what is it to not have capital, has spoken on this issue many times.

The founder of Price Club was an advocate years ago of taxing wealth. He suggested a point or two a year. Claimed that would encourage more productive investments by those who hold assets while relieving the burden from labor.

36 posted on 06/22/2003 1:37:08 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: evad
"The dip stick powder puff probably doesn't even know what a pinko is."

All he has to do is look in a mirror -- a procedure I'm sure he performs many times in a day.

37 posted on 06/22/2003 3:26:49 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: DPB101
Non taxed appreciated stock as collateral will get you loans under 10%.

Now, all you have to do is invest that money and make more than 10%. That's easy, you just put it in the stock market, right?

Oh, wait, that hasn't worked over the last three years. I guess you could buy government bonds, oh right, they don't pay much more than 4% these days.

I am only saying labor is taxed at a very high rate while wealth is not.

The problem I have is that the wealth has already been taxed. If I invested my own money to start a business and hire workers and sell products, my workers pay taxes on their income, they and I pay Social Security taxes, people buying my products pay sales taxes and my company pays corporate income taxes.

After all this, after years of growth, my company issues stock and you're worried that I haven't paid taxes yet on my "paper" profits.

Not satisfied at the jobs and wealth I've created, you are upset that my capital gains tax will only be 15% if I sell my stock.

If labor is taxed too much, reduce labor taxes. If you mean to benefit labor by raising my taxes, I will purchase less labor.

38 posted on 06/22/2003 4:56:58 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You are throwing up straw men. I'm for lower taxes for everyone. If those who get a 10% loan on stock have trouble now, the guy who has to keep his business going by using after tax money is even worse off. You refuse to admit that labor is taxed more heavily than wealth by claiming the money has already been taxed. So has the money of the laborer who reinvests his after tax income to keep afloat.

We have a Federal INCOME tax. We have PAYROLL taxes. That is how we fund most of the government. To claim wealth is taxed as much or more than labor is silly.

39 posted on 06/22/2003 6:00:42 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: Lancey Howard
"It seems to me that he is intimating that Edwards is as phony as a three-dollar bill. Downright silly, even."

Upon reflection, you may be right.

I've never given Saletan much credit for irony, but maybe he he might have a dram or two.

Admittedly, Edwards speech possesses a truly Clintonian audacious phoniness. And it is exactly the kind of thing that so many Clintonoids took seriously...

40 posted on 06/22/2003 6:14:29 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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