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Joe McCarthy Vindicated, Again
www.chuckmorse.com ^ | June 20, 2003, | Chuck Morse

Posted on 06/22/2003 4:58:08 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: HISSKGB
A Republican Senator drinks and he's an alcoholic not fit to serve in the Senate. A Democratic Senator gets drunk and kills a woman and he is reelected in landslides for the next 30 years.
61 posted on 06/22/2003 10:48:16 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: HISSKGB
"I have never read any first hand accounts of McCarthy rip roaring to this extent."

Ahem. You don't have to be "rip roaring" to qualify as an alcoholic. It's a bonafide disease and an addiction. All that is required is addictive behavior patterns. Most REAL alcoholics don't even begin to show signs of being "drunk" until they start to come down from the drunk.

THAT'S when the shlurred shpeech shtarts and the classic Delierium Tremens (DT's) begin (the uncontrollable shaking). Many also drink alone or at times when it is generally suspected that they won't been seen as it might be inappropriate...hence the bottle in a briefcase.

The US Army sent me along with a ton of other young new 2nd Lieutenants to a special school to learn about this stuff so that we could effectively "counsel" our grizzled old veteran sergeants with their endemic drinking problems.

62 posted on 06/22/2003 11:18:59 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1911A1: The ORIGINAL "Point and Click" interface!)
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To: DPB101; JohnHuang2; MadIvan; TonyInOhio; MeeknMing; itreei; jd792; Molly Pitcher; muggs; ...
Karl Mundt

“There exist in the United States and elsewhere in the world terrorist groups. Many are part of international terrorist networks. These networks and groups engage in kidnappings, extortion, and other acts of violence” (Littman 1975:33-34). Surprisingly, that declaration was not made in the aftermath of the devastating terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. It was made half a century earlier by the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee. Such rhetorical declarations inspired fear among the populous, extracted attention from the media, and furthered the ambitions of politicians sitting on the committee. Representatives Karl Mundt of South Dakota and Richard Nixon of California engineered a House bill that extorted national paranoia for personal gain. Nixon was hailed by some of his colleagues, such as Representative Ben F. Jensen, as “one of the greatest patriots in all American history” (Congressional Record 1951:A4295-A8014). James Madison wrote in Federalist Paper No. 41 that, “Security against foreign danger is one of the primitive objects of civil society” (Littman 1975:19). In light of Madison’s remark, Nixon and Mundt were merely indulging in their civic duty. But perhaps they should have listened to different echoes from the past, such as the apparently faint voice of Benjamin Franklin who wrote in 1759, “They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” (Ignatief 2001:21). As we enter a new era of national insecurity, it becomes imperative that we listen to the past; that we do not ignore the wise voice of Franklin.

Of course it was not al Qaeda who sponsored and funded these alleged terrorist organizations in the 1950s, but Marxist-Leninists governments. On May 21, 1948, the U.S. House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed the Mundt-Nixon bill. It was the product of mass hysteria, an imaginative media, and unscrupulous politicians hoping to capitalize off public sentiment at the expense of others’ civil liberties. The Mundt-Nixon Bill, or the Subversive Activities Control Bill, embodies the essence of how the Cold War affected domestic public policy in the United States. But perhaps more importantly, it has come to symbolize policy making in the United States when under the duress of an internal threat and the resolve of a shaken public. In such circumstances, the line between civil liberties and security bends, fractures, and occasionally even disappears. A poll taken after the September 11 attacks reinforces this idea – seventy percent of Americans are willing to give up some of their civil liberties in exchange for greater security (Morin 2002: A7). 

Nixon learned from the Russian Revolution that a minority of dedicated revolutionaries could effectively usurp the government’s authority. Nixon helped investigate a union that had been on strike for ten months against the Allis-Chalmers Manufacturing Company in Milwaukee. He examined how a small group of communists came to dominate an 8,700-member union “by clever parliamentary tactics, violence, intimidation, and dishonest ballot counting.” In actuality, communists in leadership positions in various unions had more to do with their initial interest in creating them with the intention of improving working conditions and wages. Yet, “Nixon became convinced that small numbers of Communists were capable of controlling large unions,” and perhaps capable of controlling larger organizations altogether (Gellman 1999:115). His solution was legislation to force Communists into the “sunlight” and destroy the subversive philosophy by selling democracy and the American way of life (Gellman 1999:115).

The bill symbolically declared, “That anyone who wanted to establish a totalitarian government in the United States under a foreign power was guilty of a crime” (Gellman 1999:115). Members of the Communist Party were required to register with the Attorney General. Federal employees could not participate in the Communist Party and could not “knowingly hire” any of its members. Furthermore, the U.S. government denied passports to its members in an effort to restrict their travel. There were no benefits for Communists to register with the government; their liberties would be revoked as a result of their political associations. Under the Mundt-Nixon Bill, Communists became less inclined to emerge into the sunlight and more inclined to clandestinely conduct their operations and meetings. Nixon wrote years later in his memoirs that he did not want to outlaw the Communist Party. “I believed that this approach would be inefficient and counterproductive. The practical effect of outlawing the party would only be to drive the hard core of true believers underground. I thought it made more sense to drive the Communist Party into the open so that we could know who its members were” (Nixon 1978:46). But Nixon was not driving anyone into the open – he failed to see that requiring Communists to register with the Attorney General would also drive them underground.

63 posted on 06/23/2003 1:15:15 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ("Treason doth never prosper")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I see. It was Nixon's fault. We should allow foreign governments to set up and fund subversive political parties in America so we can better track them. That makes a lot of sense in a twisted liberal way.
64 posted on 06/23/2003 1:28:49 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

65 posted on 06/23/2003 5:19:20 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: DPB101; ATOMIC_PUNK; HISSKGB
"Extorted national paranoia for personal gain" is a nice unbiased statement.Made a law that drove the communists underground or made a law that reflected the deep fear of the public might work as well.He could have written that having members of AlQuida register is laughable today.What he said is flame throwing and reflects his opinion of the bill's authors.The communists wanted to overthrow our government.The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
66 posted on 06/23/2003 7:45:54 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: ExSoldier
Thanks for your post and your insights.I agree McCarthy's drinking was not enought to invalidate his life's work.He had the press and intellectuals against him.The pen is mighty.
67 posted on 06/23/2003 8:07:36 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: ExSoldier
What you have said is quite right. An abrupt withdrawal of alcohol from a chronic alcoholic can lead to DTs and even death. In which case the cause of death would be the DTs and not acute hepatitis as is listed for McCarthy.
68 posted on 06/23/2003 9:27:05 AM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK; MEG33
The author of your cite is a wee bit shrill. The sabotage and espionage being committed by the Communists was serious. To accuse those working to stem this tide as paranoid and hysterical is quite irrational.
69 posted on 06/23/2003 9:34:02 AM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: MEG33; ATOMIC_PUNK
Same MO we saw after the Palmer Raids--communists formed the ACLU, defended the right of criminal aliens to stay in the country and, with the help of Willi Munzenberg, put the government on trial over Sacco and Vanzetti. It never ends with the left. The criminal is protected under the guise of protecting our civil liberties. Democracy is used to undermine democracy. Those who take the 5th are heros, those who want to find out who is selling secrets to our enemies are the villians.

Tried to see what other articles are in the UCSB Review Atomic_Punk got the Mundt one from. This is what was returned:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access
/projects/review/Review_Issues/2001-2002/ on this server.
Apache/1.3.27 Server at www.lawso.ucsb.edu Port 80

70 posted on 06/23/2003 9:42:19 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: HISSKGB
"acute hepatitis as is listed for McCarthy."

Hmmmmm. Of course you are correct. Gee and just think everybody thought that the Dems killing off adversaries began with the infamous Clinton Death List! Of course we all know better. Perhaps this is an acute case of the deadly DemocRAT FLU?

71 posted on 06/23/2003 10:51:09 AM PDT by ExSoldier (M1911A1: The ORIGINAL "Point and Click" interface!)
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To: DPB101
Because of anarchist bombings in cities through out the country, Atty Gen Palmer rounded up the aliens involved and shipped them out of the country.

On the ACLU website they actually brag that countering the Palmer Raids was their very first action. ACLU types endanger citizens rather than protect them.
72 posted on 06/23/2003 10:55:12 AM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: DPB101
Same MO we saw after the Palmer Raids--communists formed the ACLU, defended the right of criminal aliens to stay in the country and, with the help of Willi Munzenberg, put the government on trial over Sacco and Vanzetti. It never ends with the left. The criminal is protected under the guise of protecting our civil liberties. Democracy is used to undermine democracy. Those who take the 5th are heros, those who want to find out who is selling secrets to our enemies are the villians.

It surprises one actually that you and a couple of others are the only ones who get it i thought we were full of people who understood the threat of communism apparently i was mistaken [Good eye BTW].

73 posted on 06/23/2003 1:15:25 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ("Treason doth never prosper")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
The U.S. Senate got it. A report put out by Moynihan in 1998 reported:
(John) Reed was a Soviet agent. On January 22, 1920, he received from the Comintern gold, jewels, and other valuables worth 1,008,000 rubles for Party work in the United States (over $1 million US).The United States Government did not know this. It has only just been discovered in Soviet archives. (That and much more.) For the next seven decades the United States Government would be the object of a sustained Soviet campaign of infiltration and subversion . . .more

74 posted on 06/23/2003 3:16:32 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Mary Mundt infiltrated a communist cell in Colorado

Unless the State Legislatures begin to stand up to the Federal Government - meaning the States Senators and Representatives who have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution - our country could be on the verge of collapse. Our State Legislatures must hold these representatives accountable for leading us into world government and the loss of our Constitutional Rights. If the States reviewed each piece of legislation signed and put out a warrant for the arrest of any representative that violated the Constitution, we would see a reversal of the trend toward world government

75 posted on 06/24/2003 2:33:07 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ("Treason doth never prosper")
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
BTT
76 posted on 06/25/2003 9:46:34 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Soviets seem to have had a highly placed agent in American governing circles much more recently than McCarthy's time. According to the current book, Reagan's War, by Peter Schweizer (pp. 94-95):

At KGB headquarters, Yuri Andropov watched the election results with particular interest. As the [1976] election campagin had heated up, the KGB had managed to recruit a Democratic Party activist with direct access to senior levels of the Carter camp. The new agent, who passed political intelligence along to the Second Chief Directorate of the KGB, had a wide circle of influential contacts, including Senators Alan Cranston, Eugene McCarthy, Edward Kennedy, Abraham Ribicoff, and J. William Fulbright.

It was the best source the KGB has ever been known to tape inside a presidential campaign. Thje agent provided valuable inside information on the campaign strategy and offered a detailed profile of Carter himself. On one occasion the agent apparently spent three hours with Carter, Governor Brown of California, and Senator Cranston discussing the election in the candidate's room at the Pacific Hotel in California. According to the KGN report sent to the Politburo, the agent had "direct and prolonged conversations" with Carter. After Carter won in November, KGB chief Andropov forwarded his reports to all the members of the Politburo.

Any guesses on who that highly-placed Democratic Party activist may have been? Robert Strauss? Gray Davis? Is Alan Cranston himself a possibility?

77 posted on 06/28/2003 7:19:51 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Alabama MOM

T. this is one of the things we talked about.

When you have time read it......


78 posted on 10/10/2004 6:05:12 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: squidly

Ann could have been late but she got us talking about what the communists kept doing in our country even after Joe was gone. I see alot of young people today that don't even kwow who Joe was. Education in this country teaches only what the cultural marxists what to be taught. I talk with my grandchildren and tell them about things. Grandparents that are at least my age have to do this and Ann has to keep writing. If we don't the message will never get out about our America being destroied from the inside out. Our country's military has protected us since we have been America and they defeat our enemies but the enemies came back and fought us by infiltrating our government and our culture. People better start listening or the UN will be our government and we will be led by somthing that won't let America exist.


79 posted on 10/10/2004 6:28:55 AM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 My vote goes for President Bush because he is a great leader and a good man.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ann needs to keep writing so America can learn and we have to back her up with our little ones. Joe will be lost in history like a lot of others in history if we don't help her because education in this country teaches what they want people to know not what really happened.


80 posted on 10/10/2004 6:34:27 AM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 My vote goes for President Bush because he is a great leader and a good man.)
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