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Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!
spaceref.com ^ | 3 Jul 03 | staff

Posted on 07/03/2003 10:22:13 AM PDT by RightWhale

Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!

Astronomers looking for planetary systems that resemble our own solar system have found the most similar formation so far. British astronomers, working with Australian and American colleagues, have discovered a planet like Jupiter in orbit round a nearby star that is very like our own Sun. Among the hundred found so far, this system is the one most similar to our Solar System. The planet's orbit is like that of Jupiter in our own Solar System, especially as it is nearly circular and there are no bigger planets closer in to its star.

"This planet is going round in a nearly circular orbit three-fifths the size of our own Jupiter. This is the closest we have yet got to a real Solar System-like planet, and advances our search for systems that are even more like our own," said UK team leader Hugh Jones of Liverpool John Moores University.

The planet was discovered using the 3.9-metre Anglo-Australian Telescope [AAT] in New South Wales, Australia. The discovery, which is part of a large search for solar systems that resemble our own, will be announced today (Thursday, July 3rd 2003) by Hugh Jones (Liverpool John Moores University) at a conference on "Extrasolar Planets: Today and Tomorrow" in Paris, France.

"It is the exquisite precision of our measurements that lets us search for these Jupiters - they are harder to find than the more exotic planets found so far. Perhaps most stars will be shown to have planets like our own Solar System", said Dr Alan Penny, from the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory.

The new planet, which has a mass about twice that of Jupiter, circles its star (HD70642) about every six years. HD70642 can be found in the constellation Puppis and is about 90 light years away from Earth. The planet is 3.3 times further from its star as the Earth is from the Sun (about halfway between Mars and Jupiter if it were in our own system).

The long-term goal of this programme is the detection of true analogues to the Solar System: planetary systems with giant planets in long circular orbits and small rocky planets on shorter circular orbits. This discovery of a -Jupiter- like gas giant planet around a nearby star is a step toward this goal. The discovery of other such planets and planetary satellites within the next decade will help astronomers assess the Solar System's place in the galaxy and whether planetary systems like our own are common or rare.

Prior to the discovery of extrasolar planets, planetary systems were generally predicted to be similar to the Solar System - giant planets orbiting beyond 4 Earth-Sun distances in circular orbits, and terrestrial mass planets in inner orbits. The danger of using theoretical ideas to extrapolate from just one example - our own Solar System - has been shown by the extrasolar planetary systems now known to exist which have very different properties. Planetary systems are much more diverse than ever imagined.

However these new planets have only been found around one-tenth of stars where they were looked for. It is possible that the harder-to-find very Solar System-like planets do exist around most stars.

The vast majority of the presently known extrasolar planets lie in elliptical orbits, which would preclude the existence of habitable terrestrial planets. Previously, the only gas giant found to orbit beyond 3 Earth-Sun distances in a near circular orbit was the outer planet of the 47 Ursa Majoris system - a system which also includes an inner gas giant at 2 Earth-Sun distances (unlike the Solar System). This discovery of a 3.3 Earth-Sun distance planet in a near circular orbit around a Sun-like star bears the closest likeness to our Solar System found to date and demonstrates our searches are precise enough to find Jupiter- like planets in Jupiter-like orbit.

To find evidence of planets, the astronomers use a high- precision technique developed by Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institute of Washington and Geoff Marcy of the University of California at Berkeley to measure how much a star "wobbles" in space as it is affected by a planet's gravity. As an unseen planet orbits a distant star, the gravitational pull causes the star to move back and forth in space. That wobble can be detected by the 'Doppler shifting' it causes in the star's light. This discovery demonstrates that the long term precision of the team's technique is 3 metres per second (7mph) making the Anglo-Australian Planet Search at least as precise as any of the many planet search projects underway.


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To: Aric2000
I have a great idea.......

Why don't you ignore him if you don't like what he has to say? Seriously? Many of us here enjoy his posts and are equally as annoyed as you are with YOURS. Difference is...we don't have happy-abuse-clickfest-parties....(but we easily could). Truth is... while you might claim that ALS is why the threads get pulled, you fail to see that it's your own whining that causes it. Why would you whine? Especially for ALS's posting on that thread. He broke NO rules (unlike you bringing that bag into this thread). Try to focus on this one thing....... There are MANY here who don't share YOUR views. We are just as entitled to OUR say. Here's the difference.... When YOU and your side break the rules, WE get over it and handle it like DEBATE forums do. Whe WE break the rules, YOU guys WHINE and CRY and turn into frothing-mommyseeking-hypocrites.

These threads will ALWAYS be heated. The topic is heated. It's the nature of the beast. Get over it or ignore it.

I don't even see anything wrong with heated discourse.
I have no need to private message you.

281 posted on 07/03/2003 10:13:34 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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To: conservababeJen
I have been ignoring him Jen, I have tried to be reasonable with you.

I asked you a serious question, and you gave me a silly response.

Did that look like someone that is debating, or is that someone who AGAIN, is trying to start a flamewar?

He ignores questions that are posed to him, and arguments that he does not like and then attacks, or questions the poster in a ridiculous manner.

This is NOT debate NOR discussion, this is called trolling to start a flamewar.

If he ACTUALLY wanted to discuss and debate, we would NOT get heated, but he does not, and turns up the heat to get us into his little flamewar mode that he seems to enjoy so much.

Yes, love is indeed blind, that's too bad, we could have had a very good DISCUSSION.
282 posted on 07/03/2003 10:18:30 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: Aric2000
If you were ignoring me, then post right here where in this thread I said anything to you or about you before you laid out your insulting screed against me.


Justify your behavior.
283 posted on 07/03/2003 10:20:21 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Wouldn't it be though, now it is just a matter of getting around that whole relativity thing without being turned into pure energy ourselves.

THere HAS to be a way around it, we just have to get some of our greatest minds on it.

The goal is to BREAK the speed of light, WITHOUT getting fried.
284 posted on 07/03/2003 10:20:32 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: conservababeJen
'Nite all

Happy July 4th. Eat, drink and be merry

285 posted on 07/03/2003 10:21:28 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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To: Aric2000
*sigh*, I almost escaped....

I asked you a serious question, and you gave me a silly response

Where?

286 posted on 07/03/2003 10:23:27 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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To: ALS
jennyp is a loon when it comes to defending darwood.

I would like to hear from conservababe about whether it is appropriate to call jennyp a loon.

me saying "jerry lewis" is hardly something to run home to momma about. Is that the best you clowns can do?

I would like to hear from conservababe about whether it is appropriate to call your opponents clowns. And whether a mocking answer is appropriate to a fact-based question.

Fact is, I was attacked in #38. I had not been in here. It was an unsolicited attack.

True. But whattajoke had not discussed the change of tone at that time. I had not discussed any part of today's happenings with him.

Another fact... Aric is the one that assailed me. I had not said a word to the pup.

Not on #38 and not before you did the Jerry Lewis thing.

get your facts straight for once

My facts are straight.

I thought you said you guys had all discussed this privately? Did you leave out the pup again?

No, but I think we are all trying. I do believe that using the terms pup, loon and clown is inappropriate.

287 posted on 07/03/2003 10:25:05 PM PDT by js1138
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To: conservababeJen
Go to bed Jen, happy 4th of July....
288 posted on 07/03/2003 10:25:23 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: conservababeJen
I don't even see anything wrong with heated discourse. I have no need to private message you.

I don't either. That's why it is so strange to have threads pulled. I assure you that I have never complained to admins over heated words or name calling.

289 posted on 07/03/2003 10:26:59 PM PDT by js1138
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To: RightWhale
The interesting thing is, if there is intelligent life there, they would only now be just starting to receive our first radio broadcast transmissions from 90 years ago (when radio first began).

Our planet would have seemed dead to them until today.

Of course it is impossible to think about travelling there, but radio transmissions travel at the speed of light so anything we pick up from each other occurred 90 years ago.

They will not be able to see our first television broadcasts (from 1927) until 2017.

290 posted on 07/03/2003 10:27:13 PM PDT by zeebee
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To: ASA Vet
"90 LY at warp 8 is only 32 days travel time each way. "

If we went at warp 32, would we meet ourselfs comming back??

291 posted on 07/03/2003 10:27:51 PM PDT by my right
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To: conservababeJen
Happy July 4th. Eat, drink and be merry

oops

I left out ...."and Free".

GOD bless America

292 posted on 07/03/2003 10:28:09 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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To: js1138
Fact is, I was attacked in #38. I had not been in here. It was an unsolicited attack.


True. But whattajoke had not discussed the change of tone at that time. I had not discussed any part of today's happenings with him.

Another fact... Aric is the one that assailed me. I had not said a word to the pup.


Not on #38 and not before you did the Jerry Lewis thing.

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so where in there is sparky's justification for claiming I started it with him?

hmmmmmmmmmmm?
293 posted on 07/03/2003 10:28:43 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: Aric2000
Happy 4th to all. Time for a cooling off.
294 posted on 07/03/2003 10:29:01 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
take the pup with you
295 posted on 07/03/2003 10:30:18 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: zeebee
THe other thing is, that if there is a civilization that is say, 500 years ahead of us in technology, and they are less then 500 light years away, we could start recieving their transmissions ANY time now.

So it may not be a matter of transmitting, it could just be a matter of listening in the right direction, on the right frequency and with the right gain.

I believe that this is what Radioastronomer is working right now, I think that listening is the important part, because we are transmitting like a fricking radio lightbulb!! LOL
296 posted on 07/03/2003 10:31:03 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: js1138
Good night JS, have a GREAT 4th of July!!
297 posted on 07/03/2003 10:32:12 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: ALS
so where in there is sparky's justification for claiming I started it with him?

I think that all of us could use a bit of the old cheek turning. In the scheme of life it really isn't important who starts name calling, but who has the good sense to quit first. Let's be freepers first on the fourth.

298 posted on 07/03/2003 10:32:18 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
"I think that all of us could use a bit of the old cheek turning."

Right after the spin, lies and tossed insults. How convenient Mr. Altruistic

Put your pup on a leash
299 posted on 07/03/2003 10:33:38 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: js1138
I don't find ALS calling jennyp a loon any more or less provocative than what whattajoke did/said. I'm sure he could have found a more "politically correct" adjective, but this is not worth burning anyone at the stake. Are we not all grown-ups here? Doesn't RUSH, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter...etc say just as provocative things?
300 posted on 07/03/2003 10:34:12 PM PDT by conservababeJen (http://abortiondebate.org/forums)
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