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Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!
spaceref.com ^ | 3 Jul 03 | staff

Posted on 07/03/2003 10:22:13 AM PDT by RightWhale

Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!

Astronomers looking for planetary systems that resemble our own solar system have found the most similar formation so far. British astronomers, working with Australian and American colleagues, have discovered a planet like Jupiter in orbit round a nearby star that is very like our own Sun. Among the hundred found so far, this system is the one most similar to our Solar System. The planet's orbit is like that of Jupiter in our own Solar System, especially as it is nearly circular and there are no bigger planets closer in to its star.

"This planet is going round in a nearly circular orbit three-fifths the size of our own Jupiter. This is the closest we have yet got to a real Solar System-like planet, and advances our search for systems that are even more like our own," said UK team leader Hugh Jones of Liverpool John Moores University.

The planet was discovered using the 3.9-metre Anglo-Australian Telescope [AAT] in New South Wales, Australia. The discovery, which is part of a large search for solar systems that resemble our own, will be announced today (Thursday, July 3rd 2003) by Hugh Jones (Liverpool John Moores University) at a conference on "Extrasolar Planets: Today and Tomorrow" in Paris, France.

"It is the exquisite precision of our measurements that lets us search for these Jupiters - they are harder to find than the more exotic planets found so far. Perhaps most stars will be shown to have planets like our own Solar System", said Dr Alan Penny, from the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory.

The new planet, which has a mass about twice that of Jupiter, circles its star (HD70642) about every six years. HD70642 can be found in the constellation Puppis and is about 90 light years away from Earth. The planet is 3.3 times further from its star as the Earth is from the Sun (about halfway between Mars and Jupiter if it were in our own system).

The long-term goal of this programme is the detection of true analogues to the Solar System: planetary systems with giant planets in long circular orbits and small rocky planets on shorter circular orbits. This discovery of a -Jupiter- like gas giant planet around a nearby star is a step toward this goal. The discovery of other such planets and planetary satellites within the next decade will help astronomers assess the Solar System's place in the galaxy and whether planetary systems like our own are common or rare.

Prior to the discovery of extrasolar planets, planetary systems were generally predicted to be similar to the Solar System - giant planets orbiting beyond 4 Earth-Sun distances in circular orbits, and terrestrial mass planets in inner orbits. The danger of using theoretical ideas to extrapolate from just one example - our own Solar System - has been shown by the extrasolar planetary systems now known to exist which have very different properties. Planetary systems are much more diverse than ever imagined.

However these new planets have only been found around one-tenth of stars where they were looked for. It is possible that the harder-to-find very Solar System-like planets do exist around most stars.

The vast majority of the presently known extrasolar planets lie in elliptical orbits, which would preclude the existence of habitable terrestrial planets. Previously, the only gas giant found to orbit beyond 3 Earth-Sun distances in a near circular orbit was the outer planet of the 47 Ursa Majoris system - a system which also includes an inner gas giant at 2 Earth-Sun distances (unlike the Solar System). This discovery of a 3.3 Earth-Sun distance planet in a near circular orbit around a Sun-like star bears the closest likeness to our Solar System found to date and demonstrates our searches are precise enough to find Jupiter- like planets in Jupiter-like orbit.

To find evidence of planets, the astronomers use a high- precision technique developed by Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institute of Washington and Geoff Marcy of the University of California at Berkeley to measure how much a star "wobbles" in space as it is affected by a planet's gravity. As an unseen planet orbits a distant star, the gravitational pull causes the star to move back and forth in space. That wobble can be detected by the 'Doppler shifting' it causes in the star's light. This discovery demonstrates that the long term precision of the team's technique is 3 metres per second (7mph) making the Anglo-Australian Planet Search at least as precise as any of the many planet search projects underway.


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To: colorado tanker
the Dagobah System

Yoda would not be pleased to find the planet showing up on star charts again. More tourists.

41 posted on 07/03/2003 12:34:31 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: RightWhale
YODA: You must not go!
42 posted on 07/03/2003 12:46:43 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: MonroeDNA
How rare are circular orbits, anyway?

The Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia

30 June: 7 new planets:

Looks like elliptical orbits of eccentricity .3 are common.

43 posted on 07/03/2003 12:48:06 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: js1138; longshadow; whattajoke
Ah, but self-restraint is a hallmark of good breeding, education, intelligence, etc. After a time, those who lack such qualities will be discovered for what they truly are...sad little souls with no clue and no roadmap. :^D
44 posted on 07/03/2003 1:21:07 PM PDT by Aracelis (Oh, evolve!)
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To: Prodigal Son
Marty Biron



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45 posted on 07/03/2003 1:29:29 PM PDT by mikrofon
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To: Monty22
Ok, but how fast can we reasonably travel? How long would it take us to go 90 lightyears?
46 posted on 07/03/2003 1:31:18 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: KantianBurke
how long is a "lightyear" might I ask?

Is that a trick question? It's a year. Or the distance light travels in a year.

Light travels at a speed of 186,000 miles per second.
31,536,000 seconds in a year.

5,865,969,000,000 miles.

47 posted on 07/03/2003 1:42:41 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: DannyTN
90 lightyears? With current technology?

Millions of years. We might be able to get what, 250k miles per hour with nuclear propultion? Even that would take a very long time.


48 posted on 07/03/2003 1:44:50 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Monty22
250,000 miles an hour. That's it? Lets see 90*5.88 = 572 trillion miles. If my math is right.

That would take us over 2 billion years!!!!!

Anyone up for a road trip?
49 posted on 07/03/2003 1:52:48 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: DannyTN
I think you messed up some zeros.
The Pioneer spacecraft is now doing 25 000 miles/hour.

With this velocity, a one-way trip takes 2.5 million years.
50 posted on 07/03/2003 2:02:32 PM PDT by Tac12
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To: Slicksadick
But we can get there fast with the help of the Star Wars people and faster-than-light space drives.
51 posted on 07/03/2003 2:03:37 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Secrets for sale by Clinton and his traitorous troops.)
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To: Dead Corpse
We don't have scope resolution down to the level where we could see an Earth sized planet that close in to its Primary.

The VLT (Very Large Telescope in Atacama, Chile) should be able to do this once all of her software is installed in 2005.

The VLT will be able to see a man walking on the moon. It was built for this kind of resolution. It will be far more powerful than Hubble.

52 posted on 07/03/2003 2:07:36 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: DannyTN
That would take us over 2 billion years!!!!!

Anyone up for a road trip?

Need a lot of tunes in the CD player for a trip that long, IMHO.
53 posted on 07/03/2003 2:10:13 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Paulus Invictus
Yeah but then you have to make a deal with Darth Vader, and you know he likes to change the terms on those things.


Next thing you know, we'll have a stormtrooper garrison on Earth and praying that he doesn't alter our deal any further.
54 posted on 07/03/2003 2:16:48 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: whattajoke
That thread got pulled because you yahoos didn't like the beating you were taking. NONE of us hit the abuse button. In fact, just before it got pulled, Junior mentioned bringing in the admin.

get your Facts straight

enough of the lies

btw - does evolution further or support conservatism?

if so, explian how/why.

55 posted on 07/03/2003 2:17:45 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: Tac12
"I think you messed up some zeros. "

2 billion Hours, not years. 2.4 billion hours/24/365 = 270,319 years. or almost 7000 40 year generations.

There's got to be a better way.

56 posted on 07/03/2003 2:21:53 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Bad Math - 270,000 years.

Earth could beam us new tunes since we are traveling slower than the speed of light. But just toilet paper logistics seem rediculous.

57 posted on 07/03/2003 2:27:08 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: js1138
Sorry but a parsec is not a measure of time but it's a measure of distance. 1 parsec = 3.26 lightyears or 19,200,000,000,000 miles.
58 posted on 07/03/2003 2:34:21 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: DannyTN
Earth could beam us new tunes

Does this mean that you would wish to take earth culture with you? Wouldn't that be excess baggage?

59 posted on 07/03/2003 2:34:43 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: fish hawk
HD70642 is 27.6 parsecs away. That's more like it. Astronomers used to be comfortable with parsecs, more useful, good, small numbers, unintelligible to the casual bystander.
60 posted on 07/03/2003 2:38:55 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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