A Conspiracy So Vast

The Wall Street Journal | July 7, 2003 | DOROTHY RABINOWITZ

[MEG33]

It's fair to quote a source that shows no author.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Dorothy is a conservative and a delightful WSJ writer. Her stories about the Amerault (sp?)family and the accusations of child molestation at the family's day-care center are riveting.

[ClearCase_guy]

In post #27 you called Joe a "bachelor". In post #31 you said Joe "never married". Now you simply brush off the fact of his marriage with some innuedo that it was a marriage of convenience.

You are a dishonest person. You have an agenda. You don't care about the Truth. You just want to slam McCarthy. Just about everything you have posted to this thread about McCarthy is a demonstrable lie -- but you don't care about that, do you? You'll just keep telling the lies because it suits your agenda.

"Treason" was not written FOR people like you. It was written ABOUT people like you.

[ex-snook]

Even today Communist supporters are still at it. People who refuse to answer or lie if they were Communists or Nazis should be thrown out of the country. Those that defend Communists are just as bad as those that defends Nazis. Nazis are still thrown out today for lying about membership. So should Communists.

[Ditto]

Ann is right about their being communists in the government but she is wrong about McCarthy being a saint or that he didnt overeach.

It could be argued that McCarthy through his bull-in-the-china-shop tactics and self-promoting bombast did more damage than good in fighting the very real Commie infiltration of the US Government.** It could also be argued that Coulter is doing more harm than good to the conservative cause with her self-promoting tirades by giving the left a straw-man to knock down.

**One of the more interesting grand conspiracy theories I have heard is that McCarthy was himself an agent of Stalin and intentionally overreached in order to discredit the anti-Commie movement and protect agents still in place. That is just a theory, but turning over minor figures while planting false witnesses and false accusations against innocents to lead the investigation away from the guilty was a tactic successfully employed by Stalin's spy masters at other times. Something to think about.

[Wallace T.]

Nixon's attack on Alger Hiss was justified, based on the historical evidence. His attack on Helen Gahagan Douglas was politically motivated. She was far from a hard core leftist or a Marxist; in fact, she was just a run of the mill liberal of the Adlai Stevenson type. However, Mrs. Douglas was Nixon's Democratic opponent in the 1950 U.S. Senate race in California. His attacks on his opponent were the sort of dirty politics Republicans decry when the other side uses them.

[hosepipe]

TREASON seems to be exposeing RINOS at an alarming rate....
-OR- at an expected rate depending on you're position.

[dennisw]

bttttttttttttttt

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Cases like that of Annie Lee Moss, a black code clerk who had lost her job at the Pentagon when she was hauled before McCarthy's committee as a security risk and Communist Party member. She had been confused with a different Annie Lee Moss, the witness explained -- and who Karl Marx was she could not even say. So evident was Ms. Moss's confusion at what she was doing there that applause erupted in the hearing room when Democratic Sen. Stuart Symington declared he believed her.

But the evidence against Ms. Moss was not insignificant, the author of "Treason" now maintains. The code clerk had said there were two other people called Annie Lee Moss listed in the Washington phone book -- whereas the two others were actually Anna Lee Moss and Annie Moss. Dynamite evidence, as far as Ms. Coulter is concerned -- case closed. After all, an FBI report had identified her as a Communist.

The issue, Coulter insists, is not whether McCarthy knew for certain that Moss was a spy or not. The issue is whether the risk of unfairly depriving Moss of a job she is doing faithfully is worse than the risk of having a Communist working in the code room at the Pentagon. I come down on the side of those who argue that there had to be, and indeed later there proved to be, some place to hire and pay Ms. Moss which did not entail the possibility that we were letting a Soviet spy walk barefoot through troves of highly sensitive information.

IOW, the burden of proof placed on McCarthy was wildly excessive under the circumstances. And according to the Venona decrypts, remember, the problem of Soviet agents working in the government was worse than McCarthy ever said it was.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

of course, Nixon never had to lie about his military record, either

. . . and no one but McCarthy ever did that!

Ann asserts that McCarthy did make more than he had to of his war record, but that McCarthy did fly on 12 missions as a combatant, and did exchange fire with the enemy (you could get hurt doing that).

Which compares poorly with valorous LBJ, who Coulter says flew as an observer on ONE flight, and was the only person aboard that 15-minute flight to be awarded a medal. And a Silver Star at that!!

[Dave S]

Coulter doesn't, so she is intellectually freer to investigate and uncover lib shibboleths.

Dont you really mean freer to run off at the mouth?

[Dave S]

People who refuse to answer or lie if they were Communists or Nazis should be thrown out of the country. Those that defend Communists are just as bad as those that defends Nazis. Nazis are still thrown out today for lying about membership. So should Communists

Native born NAZI's have never been thrown out. Only those who immigrated to the US and lied on their visa and citizenship applications have been expelled. Communists never have been expelled. Its never been a crime to be a member of the Communist Party and its no ones business unless you are in government position requiring security clearance. Although Gus Hall is dead, I believe they still run candidates for President (on their own ticket, in addition to the Dem line).

[ClearCase_guy]

What would inspire such fanaticism and devotion to someone so spotty when compared to his contemporary, the late great Richard Nixon?

And, of course, Nixon never had to lie about his military record, either.

Did I say anything about McCarthy lying about his war record?

The above are 3 quotes from you, from 3 different posts. In answer to your question (the bottom extract): No, you did not directly say anything about McCarthy lying about his war record. But you might want to look up the definition of "mendacity">

[Dave S]

You are a dishonest person. You have an agenda. You don't care about the Truth. You just want to slam McCarthy.

I'm shocked. I cant believe anyone defending Ann Coulter could possibly accuse someone else of being dishonest or having an agenda.

[ClearCase_guy]

Your post is not very clear. Are you saying that anyone who chooses to defend Ann Coulter, who provides extensive footnotes to all her statements of fact, somehow loses the right to point out dishonesty in others?

Care to back that up with something other than an ad hominem?

[Wallace T.]

Juxtaposing one person's record next to that of a known Communist is not a clean tactic. First of all, the U.S. Congress of the 1940s was not voting on collectivizing heavy industry or closing the churches, but on issues that split on liberal vs. conservative lines, such as the minimum wage or civil rights for black people. On most issues, leftists will agree with liberals.

The technique of misleading comparisons is frequently used by the Left, such as comparing law and order supporters or anti-immigration activists to the Nazis by juxtaposing statements by Spiro Agnew or Pat Buchanan with those made by Hitler or other top Nazis. It is not justified any more than were any of McCarthy's inaccuracies, even if Nixon's sins were of lesser magnitude.