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Sex in nursing homes
The Kentucky Post ^ | 12 July 2003 | Post staff report

Posted on 07/12/2003 1:13:48 PM PDT by demlosers

When a 72-year-old grandmother and a 68-year-old man started holding hands at a Westwood nursing home, staff members thought it was cute. But when the unmarried couple announced they wanted to have sex, staffers were stunned.

"We thought, 'No way,' " said Sara Gramann, director of nursing at the home at the time. "Then we realized we would be violating their rights."

After checking with adult protective services, state officials, social workers and ombudsmen, nursing home officials briefed the couple on safe sex practices, gave them condoms and the use of a private room.

"The woman's children were irate and threatened to sue us because they didn't picture their mom having sex while she had grandkids running around the nursing home," said Gramann.

"It was quite an issue. Sexuality in any health care setting is just not talked about."

While nursing homes give elderly and sick people help ranging from medical care to personal hygiene to genial companionship -- sex is generally ignored.

"The whole subject is taboo," said Dr. Duncan MacLean, the medical director of Delaware's state-operated system of nursing homes who's studied the complicated issue. "Most nursing homes sweep it under the rug.

"However, sex is a fact of life in nursing homes that should not be ignored."

Nick Folchi, 85, of Erlanger, is wary of bringing up sex in a nursing home, even though it's on his mind.

Folchi, who lives in his own home, says he would like to have sex with his wife, Mary, 83, who resides in an Erlanger nursing home, but is afraid to ask staffers for the assistance it would require.

"My wife is paralyzed on one side and I have a bad back, so I would need somebody to put her in bed for me," he said. "But I wouldn't dare discuss it with the nursing home.

"Mary is there on Medicaid and they're cutting out a lot of Medicaid. If I came up with a proposition like that, Medicaid might say if you're well enough to have sex, you're well enough to live at home."

Sex, it turns out, is not a welcome topic at many nursing homes.

Sex in nursing homes will be impossible to ignore in a few years, predicted Dr. John Morley of St. Louis University, a geriatrics expert.

"We're going to see an explosion in the issue," he said. "You've got a lot of Baby Boomers like me coming along who are not going to be happy in nursing homes if we can't continue doing what we've been doing. Plus, we've got Viagra."

Baby Boomers, 78 million Americans born in the post-World War II population explosion from 1946 through 1966, now range in age from 37 to 57 years old and are expected to begin swelling nursing home populations in a few years.

Today, about 2 million Americans live in nursing homes. In 2030, when Baby Boomers will range in age from 64 to 84, U.S. nursing home population is expected to skyrocket to 5 million, according to estimates by the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn.

Many Baby Boomers came of age during an era of sexual liberation in the 1960s and 1970s and the advent five years ago of Viagra, the popular drug already used by 16 million men to remedy erectile dysfunction (impotence), will help Baby Boomers continue to have sex as they grow older.

Viagra's effectiveness is not affected by age, said Daniel Watts, a spokesman for Viagra-manufacturer Pfizer.

"It works well in elderly patients," he said. "In clinical trials of men aged 65 and over, 92 percent showed improvement in achieving erection with Viagra."

Right now, though, nursing home staffers are reluctant to get involved in the sexuality of residents, said Morley.

"I'm sure I would get killed by everybody working in a nursing home if I prescribed Viagra for a resident," he said. "I don't think any nursing home employee wants to deal with sex among patients."

MacLean noted that one study of nursing homes found that two-thirds of staff members considered resident sexuality as unimportant to address.

Local nursing home administrators also downplay sex.

"There are no torrid sex scenes going on," said Barry Bortz, chief executive officer of Care Spring, which operates several nursing homes in Northern Kentucky and Cincinnati.

"I wouldn't be surprised if sex occurred, but I can't remember a specific incident where it happened among residents.

"Sex is still there, but sex becomes a different thing with them -- holding hands, caressing each other, combing each other's hair. It's a much more innocent process than you might think."

John Hutcherson, administrator of Baptist Convalescent Center in Newport, said he assumes sex has occurred among residents, but said it has never posed a problem.

"There really isn't much sex talk here," he said. "The focus of residents is really elsewhere. Their focus is more on food."

At Hillebrand Nursing Center in Bridgetown, "sex has never been an issue," said the administrator, Richard Kidd.

"I don't think it (sex among residents) happens," he said. "The staff would know if individuals were going into a room together and closing the door."

Sex at some nursing homes is so private that not even other residents realize it's going on.

Beverly Clay of Fort Mitchell, a resident of Highlands of Fort Thomas Health Care Center and Rehabilitation, said she was "somewhat surprised" to learn from a staffer that sexual relations there had occasionally been privately accommodated.

"I just assumed it didn't happen here," she said. "Sex is a topic that has not come up here and that does surprise me some. I'm sure some residents think about sex, but they don't talk about it."

Clay noted that while she hasn't discussed sex with anyone, "I still have a desire. If I get a need, I'll read or play music. I have a belief that you do not have sex unless you're married.

"But, I'm not going to say I wouldn't like to see some nice-looking gentleman come in here."

Some nursing homes are operated by religious groups that might have opposition.

"Even in non-sectarian nursing homes, many staff members see their work as religiously motivated," noted MacLean. "These staff and facilities may approach sexual issues from the standpoint of moral teachings of their faith or from a general ethical perspective."

Pam Pangburn, the Northern Kentucky long-term care ombudsman and advocate for nursing home patients, said she has received no comments from residents about sexual matters.

"It's not an issue around here," she said. "If it is an issue, it's not been brought to my attention."

It is a big issue in some European nursing homes, where administrators have liberal sexual policies.

In the Netherlands, many nursing homes allow residents to bring in prostitutes, according to Dr. Peter Gott, who writes a syndicated newspaper column about health.

Gott lamented that "sex is a no-no in American nursing homes," but he advocated getting rid of the "misperception that sex after middle age is 'dirty' and somehow unnatural."

"If we did," he said, "American nursing homes might become far more responsive to the wishes of their residents, who should be entitled to the same privileges enjoyed by younger, non-institutionalized adults."

Although sex drives may diminish with age or illness, they don't disappear, as studies cited by MacLean show.

A study of healthy people aged from 80 to 102 found that 88 percent of men fantasized about sex, 66 percent had coitus and 72 percent used self-stimulation, while 72 percent of women fantasized about sex, 38 percent had coitus and 40 percent used self-stimulation.

Another study of nursing home residents found that sexual interest continued despite considerable barriers, including no available partner, lack of privacy and poor health.

While there are no laws against consensual sex among mentally competent nursing home residents, most nursing homes have no policies on how to assess its appropriateness or accommodate it.

"It's the age thing," said Morley. "As a society, we think that as people get older, they should give up sex. Unless you're Hugh Hefner.

"Another problem is the children of nursing home patients. Children often find it unacceptable for a parent to be having sex in a nursing home."

That's the wrong attitude, says Dr. Margo Tallmer, a New York City expert on geriatrics.

She said sexual activity among mentally competent nursing home residents should be encouraged because it "enhances life, gives pleasure and alleviates depression."

That view is shared by John Sammons, Kentucky's chief long-term care ombudsman.

"Sex is very natural, it is healthy, it is good for our lifestyle and residents of nursing homes have sexual needs and desires just like other individuals," he said.

In one instance, Sammons said, two residents had fallen in love and gotten married.

"The nursing home operator tried at first to accommodate the married couple, but perceived there were problems, when in fact there wasn't any more difficulty than ordinarily occurs with married couples," said Sammons.

"The local ombudsman talked with the residents and helped them move to another facility where they were able to stay in the same room. It turned out very well."

Federal law doesn't address sex in nursing homes, other than to require facilities to allow spouses to share a room if they wish, contingent on room availability and financial affordability.

However, MacLean points out that numerous Supreme Court decisions recognize a Constitutional right to privacy, including sexual rights.

Kentucky and Ohio government agencies that oversee nursing homes don't regulate sex among patients.

"Basically, the view is that nursing homes are the homes of these people and if they are consenting adults, then that is the way they are treated," said Gil Lawson of the Kentucky Cabinet for Health Services.

"They have just as much right to do what they want to do as anyone else does."

Michelle LoParo of the Ohio Department of Health said sex is a "residential right. Nursing home residents are allowed free choice, just like any other resident of the state."

Not quite.

"A lot of issues could play into sex among nursing home patients," LoParo added. "Many are Alzheimer's patients. You have to look at their cognitive ability. You have to check into their health and other issues that might come into play.

"The aging population might have aggressive behavior. Safety must be taken into consideration."

MacLean has circulated a proposal for discussion among 8,000 members of the American Medical Directors Association, but MacLean said very few nursing homes follow his policy or, for that matter, any policy.

At the Baptist Convalescent Center in Newport, for instance, there is no written policy on sex, Hutcherson said.

"It would be handled on a case by case basis," he said. "If residents said they wanted to have sex, I would need to bring together the appropriate people to discuss it and work out the best course of action."

MacLean said he hopes his proposed policy will "open a few doors" on the issue.


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KEYWORDS: elderly; grannysex; seniors; sexafter70
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To: ovrtaxt
A little hard work for the ol' ticker may just take it's toll.

Actually a little exercise is good for the ol' ticker. So is the reduction in tension.

41 posted on 07/12/2003 3:26:39 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Norse
I sincerely hope you do have a ton of grandkids to keep you busy, but there certainly is nothing abnormal about someone in a nursing facility or assisted living being interested in sex, or wanting to have sex with someone they met that makes them feel that way! Do you think as you age that your core being ages also, 'cause if you do you are in for an RFA. You may be old and infirm in body, but your innerself is still 20 or 30, doesn't matter how old you are.

Most of these people have lost their life's partners and are lonely for the hugs and touching that makes a body whole. They're not dead, they are not looking forward to being dead. They are old and lonely. They should be allowed to have privacy and relationships. They are not going to marry and raise a family, safe sex is redundant and this whole topic should not shock anyone.
42 posted on 07/12/2003 3:29:13 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts (I still hate all things Clinton!)
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To: fishbabe
CONDOMS!!!!the staff figured she was goona get pregnant and they would be stuck caring for the baby of a 68 year old woman

They didn't make it clear if this particular couple was married or not. If they were, a condom, for prevention of disease not pregancy, would seem kind of silly, they'd probably been doing it for many decades. OTOH, if they weren't married, and one was recently admitted, then well maybe the idea is a little less stupid...but not much. In the absense of Viagra, I'm sure having to struggle with the condom ... well never mind.

43 posted on 07/12/2003 3:29:42 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: doberville
Perhaps I am off-the wall, but I believe that if sex - yes, even unmarried sex - gives comfort to the mentally and physically able confinees, have at it.

I also worked, as a Respiratory Therapist, as an auxillary health care worker in a nursing home.

In the "lock down" alzheimers ward, there were a man and a woman who had deleveloped a romantic relationship. The man was married and his wife lived independently in their home. The woman was a widow.

The couple would insist on eating meals together and visiting in each others rooms constantly. And yes, they acted like a courting couple in all respects ie touching and kissing.

When it became evident that this was not a passing affection with them, and that the might have sex, the charge nurse had a talk with the man's wife and told her of the situation.

She cried and then said "He doesn't even remember me or know my name. Whatever happiness he can have now, it is alright with me".

When the nurse called the family of the woman, they huffed and puffed and showed the same attitude as most of the posters on this thread. One daughter said "My mother doesn't need another man. She loved my father, only". Her response led me to believe she was liberal. You know, for me , but not for thee....sex.

I am ashamed of all Freepers on this thread who demean the elderly. But, regardless, of what we think, the residents (not patients) of nursing homes still have the right to remain in control of their lives.

44 posted on 07/12/2003 3:31:38 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: chris1
No Comment. This story is sickening. Tothink that the nurses and staff would be helping the paralyzed patients have sex is a but one more example of good resources being utilized for bad purposes.

Eeeeeew! Old people having sex! Eeeeeew! They're all wrinkly! This is disgusting and evil! Old people who want to have sex should be shot!!! </sarcasm>

45 posted on 07/12/2003 3:32:39 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Norse
So much for the adage "There's No Place Like Home".
46 posted on 07/12/2003 3:36:11 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: El Gato
They didn't make it clear if this particular couple was married or not.

My bad, they did make it clear, and they weren't. Naughty naughty...NOT!

When the widow of one of my wife's uncles took up with a widower, moving in together even though each had their own home, no one in the extended family, either of them as far as I could tell, was scandalized, and most seemed quite happy for them. He has since passed on, she is still driving herself around town, and volunteering at the Veterans home. (Her husband was a veteran) Her sister in law, who's even older, is also driving herself around town and was named the volunteer of the quarter on the local cable channel. She does the Vets home, the VFW and Legion Bingo, amoung other things. No boyfriend though, and she was widowed before her sister in law.

47 posted on 07/12/2003 3:46:20 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: rface
For the most part, sex is a selfish act. Everybody knows this and almost nobody admits it; but in the case of a couple of old folks who need help to "get it on" it takes on the flavor of a "spectator sport."
48 posted on 07/12/2003 3:48:55 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
For the most part, sex is a selfish act. Everybody knows this and almost nobody admits it; but in the case of a couple of old folks who need help to "get it on" it takes on the flavor of a "spectator sport."

I believe the article said that the husband needed help getting into his wife's bed. I don't believe that anyone was invited to watch them have sex.

49 posted on 07/12/2003 3:53:47 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Conservababe
I am ashamed of all Freepers on this thread who demean the elderly.

I agree. If, for some, physical appearence is so important during sex, they need to know they are not making love they are fu*king.

50 posted on 07/12/2003 3:56:23 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death
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To: demlosers
Having just spent the day with my Grandmother at her assited living home, this topic strikes me as particularly surreal. Didn't look like there was much action—real OR potential—going on there!
51 posted on 07/12/2003 3:58:14 PM PDT by avenir
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To: Conservababe
I believe the article said that the husband needed help getting into his wife's bed. I don't believe that anyone was invited to watch them have sex.

The writer drew some marvelous pictures here, weren't you watching?

52 posted on 07/12/2003 3:59:04 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
it doesn't shock me, but it does take me by surprise, i guess because i never thought of it before. everything you said makes sense. i feel bad for them and think that they should be accomodated, the poor old guy just wants to be with his wife. the fact that he still wants to be with her despite her being partially paralyzed , i find very touching.
53 posted on 07/12/2003 4:04:25 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Old Professer
The writer drew some marvelous pictures here, weren't you watching?

No, I did not. I think you are the voyeur.

54 posted on 07/12/2003 4:04:31 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: chris1
No Comment. This story is sickening. Tothink that the nurses and staff would be helping the paralyzed patients have sex is a but one more example of good resources being utilized for bad purposes.

I've made some absolutely stupid remarks in my time.........but I have never made such an asshole remark as this.

55 posted on 07/12/2003 4:09:26 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Successfully surviving on a single digit income without gub'mint assistance.)
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To: demlosers
I worked for years in two different nursing homes...and we were always given an introductory talk about how to handle residents who we might find engaged in sex, or how to approach the subject...

All states have their own guidelines, as to what they do and dont allow in their nursing homes...here in Washington state, the residents have a very wide range of rights...for instance, residents are allowed to have a couple supervised 'alcoholic' drinks, if they want it, and if their doctor oks it, that it wont interfere with any medicine....they arent allowed to get drunk, but a couple of beers, or a couple of wine coolers, was often the regular thing with some of our residents...the drinks are bought either by the residents family, or the nursing home takes the funds out of the residents account, and buys the stuff for them....its then kept in a locked fridge, in a locked cupboard in the nurses station....

Residents are also allowed to smoke...not whenever and wherever they want, but at designated times, and in designated smoking areas, with either nurses or aides in attendance for safety sake...

And the same goes for sex...and I dont understand this article saying that nursing homes dont even discuss this...that may be the norm, at least according to this article, but in the two nursing homes I worked at, we had full lectures on this very subject...

What they said was this...competent residents of the nursing homes , have the right to have sex...often we had both partners in a marriage sharing a room, often it was just one partner, with the other partner living outside the nursing home...we were never embarrassed to discuss sex with our residents, nor their spouses, and frankly, it seems to me, that all those acting all goofy over this, need to grow up a little bit...does one really think that the sex drive disappears with age?...it does not, and with couples that have always had a healthy sex life before illness or age crept in, often still try to continue to have some sort of a sex life even into those senior years...I dont understand why anyone thinks there is something awful or nasty about it...

I will agree with a previous poster, who added the even the best of nursing homes can be abysmal at times...way too many residents are dumped there by their families, and the family rarely visits...loneliness, unhappiness, depression, and great sorrow at being left behind, are found all too often in nursing homes...

If a married couple, because of circumstances, find that one spouse needs the help of nursing home, while the other is able to remain outside the nursing home, and they want to have a sexual relationship, how grand for them, that they still do love each enough to want that intimacy...

And heres what else all workers in the nursing home were instructed about, and I suppose there are those who are going to go off the deep end on this one...they also discussed the subject of masturbation...if we go into a room, ,and the elderly resident is masturbating, we are not to reprimand them, and stop them, and treat them as if they are naughty little children...we are simply to draw their bedside curtain around them, close the door, and check back on them every 15 minutes, or so, just to make sure that they are safe....

The whole point of this is as follows...some of these seniors residents of the nursing home, may be ill, but many are not....they are simply old, unable to care for themselves, need help in their daily activities, such as washing, dressing, toileting, etc...and they need someone to cook their meals, and keep the place clean....they are not ill, to the extent that they need to be in a hospital...when they go to a nursing home, that nursing home, becomes their home, and they have many rights in that home, as they would in their own home...

As I said, each state sets its own standard of what they will or will not allow their residents to do...and not all those residents are getting financial assistance....in the last nursing home I worked in, more than 70 percent of the residents were private pay, and they were paying a good deal of money....they were not on the dole...eventually tho, most private pay residents, if they live long enough, do have to have some sort of financial assistance...But whether private pay, or on the dole, if they want to smoke, drink, have sex, or masturbate, and all within reason, supervised, and approved of by their doctor, I hardly see what is so awful, or icky or bad about that...Goodness knows, eventually all of us, if we are lucky, will become senior citizens...should it happen that we need a nursing home, hopefully we will get one, that respects the rights of the elderly...

Another way to solve the problem, is for fewer people to be putting their senior relatives into nursing homes...I have seen way too many seniors, dumped into nursing homes, and left there and forgotten...seniors who could with a little assistance, still be able to live at home...trouble is, the family does not want to take care of them...they dont want to be bothered...and that is truly the really sad story....
56 posted on 07/12/2003 4:10:15 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: demlosers
"There really isn't much sex talk here," he said. "The focus of residents is really elsewhere. Their focus is more on food."


The talk is usually of their last meal and their next bowel movement!!
57 posted on 07/12/2003 4:12:17 PM PDT by Betteboop
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To: avenir
Having just spent the day with my Grandmother at her assited living home, this topic strikes me as particularly surreal. Didn't look like there was much action—real OR potential—going on there!

Well, maybe Strom Thurmond did not answer her love letters.

I am laughing so hard at youthful naivte, really.

58 posted on 07/12/2003 4:12:19 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: demlosers
WE LOVE TO EAT AT 4:30PM !!!!!

WE LOVE TO EAT AT 4:30PM !!!!!


59 posted on 07/12/2003 4:13:46 PM PDT by cmsgop (Has anyone seen my Schwab ?)
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To: demlosers
KENTUCKY!!! Must be something in the water. I lived in Lexington many years ago. They had just completed a high rise for elderly folks. From people I knew who worked and lived there it was a lively place. Really, why not?
60 posted on 07/12/2003 4:21:43 PM PDT by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
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