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George W Bush - Political Black Ice
LonePalm | 7/15/2003 | LonePalm

Posted on 07/15/2003 4:05:20 AM PDT by LonePalm

Edited on 07/15/2003 11:46:35 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: MEG33
I not gonna hold my breath...
21 posted on 07/15/2003 5:13:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: Little Ray
I mean "I'm not gonna hold my breath." Geez.
22 posted on 07/15/2003 5:13:49 AM PDT by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: RJCogburn
Yes, but perhaps you can explain how the farm bill, the education bill, the Medicare bill is protecting you from terrorists.

First, I would like to ask you something. Are you a Libertarian?

Addressing issues that need to be addressed for the sake of the American people is not PERMENANTLY growing Gov't, or would you like the Dems to be in charge of this???

People have this unrealistic picture of how to reduce the size of Gov't. You can't take something that has been given to people for 30 years and just YANK it away from them in the blink of an eye. That's not only cruel, it is devestating in some cases.

Have you ever heard of the phrase, "Cause and effect."

This idea that conservatives have of everything in Gov't needing to be reduced is at best, a pipe dream. The problem is the things that Gov't does do need to work efficiently, steamlined, and be cost effective.

23 posted on 07/15/2003 5:14:52 AM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: LonePalm
NO Democratic/Socialist Crime Syndicate member would EVER THINK of doing what President Bush HAS DONE with foreign policy. Nearly 100 years of domestic socialist drift cannot be undone by a first term President with a razor thin majority, courts packed with activist judges and an unparalled propaganda machine just starting to crack.

We are in the midst of one of the greatest president / administrations in the history of this republic.

24 posted on 07/15/2003 5:16:00 AM PDT by PGalt (Much harder to defeat than a foreign enemy)
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To: CholeraJoe
Only for the unskilled driver.
25 posted on 07/15/2003 5:17:38 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: PGalt
We are in the midst of one of the greatest president / administrations in the history of this republic

Unfortunately greatest is not synonymous with best. Greatest just means most effective with the biggest plans and actions. W may well be that, though he still has to top the pulling down of the Soviet Empire.

26 posted on 07/15/2003 5:25:23 AM PDT by ThanhPhero
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To: Little Ray
I see that you have posted "red meat" from Neil Boortz. A lot of those regulations probably put into the Federal register are to turn back some of the Clinton regualtions especially concerning labor and the enviroment.

But that doesn't matter to Neal as he puts out his red meat, it's the # of pages, not the nitty gritty substance of the pages.

27 posted on 07/15/2003 5:51:11 AM PDT by Dane
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To: RJCogburn
Sadly, though, his political skills are resulting in huge deficits, huge expansions of government size and power, burdens that we will carry years after Bush and friends are gone from the scene.

On the surface, you are correct. I have a theory about this though. I have been trying to formulate it and get facts to back it up, but I'm going to throw it out there and let the sharks rip it up.

My theory is that GW is trying to pander to the more moderate liberals (traditional democrats). Remember, he barely won the election in 2000. He needs all the numbers he can get. I think that GW is going to pull in enough people to get elected in 2004, then you will see him reduce the size of government. Reagan did this. He cut taxes in his first term, then cut government spending in his second term and came out smelling like a rose.

GW would be stupid to cut spending now and risk alienating the moderates that he has been grooming. I also think he throws them a political bone once in awhile. I am thinking about things like Medicare, etc.

I don't know. What do you think of the theory? Maybe it's just wishful thinking. I hope not.

28 posted on 07/15/2003 5:52:31 AM PDT by Pest
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To: sirchtruth
This idea that conservatives have of everything in Gov't needing to be reduced is at best, a pipe dream. The problem is the things that Gov't does do need to work efficiently, steamlined, and be cost effective.

A statement like that, and you feel at home on a Conservative Site? Nothing like arguing from a leftist position.

SFR

29 posted on 07/15/2003 6:10:18 AM PDT by SoFarRight
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To: Pest
Me thinks you nailed it on the head.

The deficits have more to do with the slowing economy than increased spending. Once the economy turns back on, and it is doing just that, the deficits will lessen.

Geo MUST win in '04, so he can implement responsible government policies (reduce spending).

The dems (Domestic Enemies) are desperately flailing at the gates of the castle, and their efforts will be in vain - backfire if we're lucky.

Americans want security (we've saved two countries from Islamic fanaticism - Iran, North Korea, and Cuba to follow) and economic recovery (Geo providing tax relief, the market is raising, jobs will come back soon).

Geo's cool, calm, collected style is quite calculated and focused - we are lucky to have such a man of steel at the helm at times such as these.

I am amazed how many pinko leftleftleft America haters there are out there. Let's hope they are a very small vocal minority.

Let's just pray that enough true Americans wake up from their TV induced coma and vote for freedom in '04.

30 posted on 07/15/2003 6:12:54 AM PDT by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Bill raped, Monica swallowed, Hillary totally sucks.)
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To: ThanhPhero
Me thinks he will.

Reagan provided the impetious to tip over a toppling empire, Geo has to stare down the rising tide of Islamic fanaticism.

Both are imperative - the later will be harder to accomplish.

31 posted on 07/15/2003 6:17:16 AM PDT by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Bill raped, Monica swallowed, Hillary totally sucks.)
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To: SpartacusII
"...disappointment for true conservatives."


No one will ever be able to satisfy a "true conservative" since every "true conservative" has their own standards they will measure the candidate by.

There are many things I would like to see President Bush do, it is not going to happen. We live in a Republic, not a dictatorship (which I am happy for).

The President can guide and push, but there are limits to his powers. If the President came out for all of the things that would make "true conservatives" happy, he would be crucified by big media, and the American people would turn against him.

Like it our not, "true conservatives" are a minority in this country, meaning they do not have enough votes to give a true conservative President the support he would need in Congress, and the protection he would need in public opinion.

I belive that the nation at this time is just a little right of center, moving to the right, but the majority of voters fall in the middle. Presidents must play to the middle, or they will not win. Democrats move to the right, and Republicans move to the left.

"True conservatives" have only two options, support the President, or support the Democrats (and any vote for third party candidates, or staying home on election day is support for the Democrats). I don't make the rules, just pointing them out.

I do not like everything President Bush has done, but I do like a lot of what he has done. At some point in my life I realized I will never get everything I wanted, that is true in my personal life, and in my polictical life.

But then again, I am not a "true conservative"

32 posted on 07/15/2003 6:17:52 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: SpartacusII
Bush has been a huge disappointment for true conservatives.

There are no true conservatives; only a bunch of WHINOs who mischaracterize themselves. People who think they are true conservatives seriously harmed this country in '92. Such misguided troublemakers are as Ideologically Correct as those on the Left are Politically Correct and both groups put their interests ahead of the country, party, and everything else — except themselves.

33 posted on 07/15/2003 6:36:59 AM PDT by Consort
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To: sirchtruth
Addressing issues that need to be addressed for the sake of the American people is not PERMENANTLY growing Gov't, or would you like the Dems to be in charge of this???

People have this unrealistic picture of how to reduce the size of Gov't. You can't take something that has been given to people for 30 years and just YANK it away from them in the blink of an eye. That's not only cruel, it is devestating in some cases.

What would be a realistic way to reduce the size of gov't? And addressing your charge that any growth of gov't is not permanent, what was the last gov't program to be cut out? What are they phasing out?

Although I support GW Bush in his foreign policy, and think he is a good man, I am worried about the size of the gov't increasing. One day, someone else will be in power, and who knows how they will use the powers being put into place.

34 posted on 07/15/2003 6:39:28 AM PDT by eyespysomething (The advertisement is the most truthful part of a newspaper - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SpartacusII; RJCogburn; All
". . . Bush has been a huge disappointment for true conservatives."

I'm surprised that you didn't add the 'uber right' assertion that Ronald Reagan NEVER violated his conservative principles to achieve political/NATIONAL SECURITY ends. OH REALLY? Ronald Reagan was just as much of a political pragmatist/incrementalist as George W Bush -- GWB learned at the knee of the master!

And how did the 'uber right' react to Reagan's pragmatism (for the greater 'national security' good)? Just read the following excerpt from Anne Coulter's book TREASON:

"Reagan not only ignored the liberal elite throughout his administration but, when necessary, he ignored his conservative base, too. He did so rather famously in 1987 . . . A little more than a year after Reagan walked away from the negotiating table in Reykjavi, he suddenly switched course and began playing good cop with Gorbachev. He even agreed to sign a treaty banning medium-range missiles from Europe. CONSERVATIVES WENT BANANAS [DrDeb Note: Does this remind anyone of the current Road Map flap?!] They finally thought maybe liberals were right about Rreagan's encroaching dementia.

William F Buckley, Jr's "National Review" called the prospective treaty a "catastrophic" venture in "utopianism." Conservative Caucus Chairman Howard Phillips ridiculed Reagan as a "USEFUL IDIOT FOR KREMLIN PROGAGANDA," saying he was "LITTLE MORE THAN THE SPEECH-READER-IN-CHIEF!"

"A USEFUL IDIOT"; "LITTLE MORE THAN A SPEECH-READER-IN-CHIEF
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!! If uber conservatives said this about RONALD MAXIMUS REAGAN, it's no wonder they have nothing positive to say about our current COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF!
35 posted on 07/15/2003 6:51:29 AM PDT by DrDeb
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To: Dane
"Did Ronald Reagan get rid of the Dept. of Education? And as bad as the education bill was, it still calls for standards, a small step in the right direction etc. etc."

Boy you really lost it on this one.

The so-called standards are yet another increase in the power and scope of the federal government over states and localities. Added to the other tests, my children will now waste even more time preparing for federal, state, and locally mandated fill-in-the-dot tests that most people agree really show very little. They will now take at least one and sometimes more of these tests every year from 2nd grade on -- it used to be just three during the 13 years starting with kindergarten.

And the federal standards are yet one more unfunded or poorly funded mandate. My state and/or local taxes will rise to cover this.
36 posted on 07/15/2003 6:54:38 AM PDT by kegler4
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To: sirchtruth; RJCogburn; LonePalm
"Sadly, you're tripe is FOS!}My sentiments exactly!

Great article, LonePalm. I love your black ice analogy!

37 posted on 07/15/2003 6:56:49 AM PDT by Slip18
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To: RJCogburn
"But it is a stretch to say the Medicare bill, the farm bill, the education bill are efforts in that War."

It is if you stop for a moment and realize that the greatest terrorist threat to this nation is the Democrat Party. The President is neutralizing this threat in order to defeat the enemy within.

38 posted on 07/15/2003 7:08:13 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: PGalt
We are in the midst of one of the greatest president / administrations in the history of this republic.

I sure hope you are right. Pushing for the Medicare bill has sure made me wonder.
39 posted on 07/15/2003 7:11:10 AM PDT by wasp69 (The time has come.......)
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To: Little Ray
***Sigh***...

Bush Ended Funding For Gun Buyback Program

In 2002, President Bush eliminated funding for UNFPA because the program was involved with coercive abortion in China.

The 2002 Bush budget called for zeroed out the Wetlands Reserve Program, the Farmland Protection Program, and the Wildlife Habitat Incentives Program.

White House ends environmental research funding

Bush administration shut down Everglades restoration office

46 Education Programs Eliminated in the President ’s 2004 Budget

Bush in his first budget proposed a $248 mil. cut to the Health Professions Program and complete elimination of the Community Access Program. Both cuts were reversed by Congress and the programs received funding increases.

Bush cut funds for the Justice Department's lawsuit against the tobacco industry.

Just four weeks after the President signed the education bill into law, the Administration's budget cuts funding for it," Kennedy said.[Kennedy Press Release, 2/12/02]

President Bush proposed a 2.8 percent increase, roughly $1.4 billion, in education funding, the smallest increase in seven years. [House Committee on Education and the Workforce, Democratic staff, The Bush Budget: Shortchanging School Reform, 2/12/02]

In their FY 2003 budget resolution, Senate Democrats proposed larger increases in education funding than Bush and restored funding for the programs Bush cut in the education reform law. [Chairman's Mark — FY 20003 Senate Budget Resolution, 3/20/02]

Source

That's just what I found under a simple search, there are 346,000 more entries out there if you just care to look. And as you can see, it is a little hard to cut spending if the Dems keep restoring funding.

40 posted on 07/15/2003 7:18:34 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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