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It pays to avoid a ticket -- or fight one
MSN Money ^ | July 15, 2003 | Chris Solomon

Posted on 07/15/2003 11:22:14 AM PDT by mvpel

The best advice is simply not to speed, at least not brazenly. But if you get nailed, fight it -- because a $50 ticket can cost you thousands once your insurer gets wind of it.

 By Chris Solomon

Now is a very bad time to have a lead foot.

States facing yawning budget gaps are finding new money by pinching speeders more frequently -- and pinching them harder, too. Texas lawmakers recently added $30 to fines for speeding tickets. California has added a surcharge of between $7 and $20, depending on the severity of the violation. And the Illinois Legislature is set to tag an additional $4 to the cost of a minor speeding ticket.

True, four more bucks won’t change your life, but the fine is usually the least of your worries. Even one speeding ticket can begin to turn your name to mud in your insurer’s eyes. More than one can cost you thousands of dollars in higher premiums.

Insurance companies say punishing speeders is well warranted: In one study, California drivers with one speeding citation in a three-year period had a crash rate 50% higher, on average, than those with no infractions -- and the crash rate more than doubled for those who had two or more tickets, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and the Highway Loss Data Institute, industry-sponsored research groups.

A ticket from Johnny Law does seem to slow people down, at least for a bit. A study of Ontario traffic statistics, published in the British medical journal the Lancet, found that a conviction for a moving violation cut the risk of a fatal crash in the following month by 35%. The benefit evaporated by four months after the conviction. Assigning penalty points to a driver’s license -- especially for speeding tickets -- reduced the risk of fatal crashes more than convictions without penalty points.

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The traffic stop and its aftermath
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: insurance; police; speeding; tickets
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To: Trust but Verify; Catspaw
Considering the ossifer (sp-intentional) said that, I'll bet that he has court duty that day.
21 posted on 07/15/2003 12:07:33 PM PDT by steveegg (Help kill this tagline - donate to FR today - https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate)
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To: mvpel
I understand, it was mostly for the benefit of fellow Wisconsin Freepers, who know it is probably a huge factor in why he was pulled over.
22 posted on 07/15/2003 12:07:39 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: Trust but Verify
What state?

BTW only change a plea to "no contest" NEVEr "guilty"
23 posted on 07/15/2003 12:08:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: mvpel
Ref. Bump
24 posted on 07/15/2003 12:09:34 PM PDT by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: steveegg
I don't care about the money. It's the points and the moving violation. If they offer him defective speedometer, he'll take it.

BTW, the fine is only $75. What's up with that? Most fines for speeding I know of are $160+.

25 posted on 07/15/2003 12:09:54 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: longtermmemmory
Wisconsin.
26 posted on 07/15/2003 12:10:22 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: mvpel
“You’re a pack animal; don’t stick out of the pack,” says Casey Raskob, a Croton-on-Hudson, N.Y., attorney who focuses on traffic-related cases.

Hmmm .. so the police are the lions culling out members of the 'herd' ?

Disgusting.

27 posted on 07/15/2003 12:10:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Trust but Verify
When you're coming into Rosendale on 23 from the east (Rosendale is just east of Ripon), you're coming down a small hill. The speed drops from 55 to 35 in a heartbeat. If you're not doing 35 or under when you hit the sign, the cop in the unmarked cop car sitting at the hardware store parking lot on the left side (coming into town) joyfully turns on his lights & siren, saying, "Got me another one!" and whips out his ticket book. I saw it happen in front of me the 1st time I was on the road & slammed my brakes on hard, just in case there was another officer around. From then on, I reduced my speed to 28 about a 1/2 a mile from the sign. If I got honked at, I didn't care. I've never gotten a ticket.

His favorite cars: red ones. They just *LOOK* fast.

28 posted on 07/15/2003 12:11:08 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Trust but Verify
does wisconsin do a "with hold of adjucation" where you pay the court costs (same amount as fine) but there are no points on you license?

(the speedometer trick does not work anymore)
29 posted on 07/15/2003 12:12:59 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: BrooklynGOP
It might be a hard fight. We'll pull over people in groups in spots like that just because the locations are marked clearly, making testimony in court easier.

You may get lucky though if the cop is a new guy like me. The testimony we have to present is like a little complicated dance ("I was approx. 50 feet from the corner, traffic was moderate heading southbound, the traffic control devices were functioning and hanging approx. 30 ft. from the ground, etc."), and we're not as good at doing it as the more experienced officers. If the cop is from the Highway unit you're really in trouble. I saw one of them beat 6 guys in a row at court a while ago.

30 posted on 07/15/2003 12:14:20 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: Trust but Verify
all municipalities are using traffic and parking fines to fill their budget gaps these days.

Not in Ohio. The state govt. (republican gov. and legislature) is cracking down on speed traps. In the infamous South Bloomfield speed trap, you used to have the lights timed so it was impossible to get through without hitting a light. Now, the lights are timed to help you through and while there used to be a cop there 24/7, now I rarely see one.

31 posted on 07/15/2003 12:15:11 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Catspaw
I wish I had the ticket with me. I think the ticket was on Hy 23 or just before he got to Hy 23. To me, what they're doing is unconscionable. To increase they're revenue, they're making people pay a terrible price in increased insurance costs.
32 posted on 07/15/2003 12:16:17 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: mvpel
He is. He is a self appointed guardian of the roads and enforcer of all laws, written and unwritten. If he weren't a godless atheist, he'd be a saint. Ask him. He'll tell you.
33 posted on 07/15/2003 12:16:43 PM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: BrooklynGOP
You should fight it! My husband got stopped once because the officer thought he didn't have his seatbelt on. After trying to get him to admit it, he wrote him up for "failure to keep right." He fought it and won (cop did not show up to court).

Regardless, it really makes the average Joe angry when police officers want respect from people and run around writing up bogus tickets to fill their quota for the month.

34 posted on 07/15/2003 12:16:45 PM PDT by Gerish
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To: Centurion2000
"Hmmm .. so the police are the lions culling out members of the 'herd' ?"

A red car weaving past others and cutting back and forth across lanes, sometimes two at a time, does tend to stick out. Chances are the driver also deserves the summons.

35 posted on 07/15/2003 12:17:08 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: mvpel
I used to prosecute traffic tickets for the Los Angeles City Attorney. While it's true that cop no-shows got a large percentage dismissed on the spot, the conviction rate was very high, usually without any reduction in the violation. I'd say it was over 90%.

However, the judge would invariably find one person not guilty for no apparent reason at all. I had proved all the elements of the violation, so I guess he just did it for fun.

36 posted on 07/15/2003 12:17:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: steveegg
I'll bet that he has court duty that day.

Oh, I'll bet he does, too.

37 posted on 07/15/2003 12:19:30 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: Trust but Verify
$75 for 14 over? That's odd (of course, I'm not speaking from a lot of personal experience; other than the 1 ticket and 1 warning, I know how to drive so as to avoid attention).

I can't stress enough that not all of Wisconsin's courts offer the "deal of the day". It doesn't hurt to find out, though; and if they don't, you can always hope the officer doesn't show up.

38 posted on 07/15/2003 12:20:47 PM PDT by steveegg (Help kill this tagline - donate to FR today - https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate)
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To: newwahoo
Well, this is how it happened. I just merged from Cross Island onto Grand Central and the traffic there is always heavy so they were basically walking between the cars and they pulled me out of the right lane. I am going to ask him what the distance was between my car and him when he allegedly observed me driving on the shoulder and if he could clearly see me. I mean, if there was good visibility between us and he was like 100 feet away, why would I be driving on the shoulder when there were 2-3 cars police cars *on* the shoulder? What do you think?
39 posted on 07/15/2003 12:21:05 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: newwahoo
If the cop is from the Highway unit you're really in trouble. I saw one of them beat 6 guys in a row at court a while ago.

I've seen members of the Wisconsin State Patrol in court. They're gooood.

The area in question is patrolled by the various municipalities (usually very small departments)--and the county sheriff's department inbetween. In Wisconsin, the State Patrol is rarely off the main highways. In this part of Wisconsin, that's Hwy. 41 & I-43.

40 posted on 07/15/2003 12:23:55 PM PDT by Catspaw
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