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Patrick J. Buchanan: Of "Treason" and Tailgunner Joe
WND.com ^ | 07-16-03 | Buchanan, Patrick J.

Posted on 07/16/2003 6:37:51 AM PDT by Theodore R.

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To: Bernard Marx
So is it your point that he should have kept quiet about Communist spying at the highest levels of the U.S. government? Who else was out there advancing the cause of anti-communism?

I don't believe he was advancing the cause of anti-communism. He talked about the cause of anti-communism. He reminds me of the Public Health Director Dr. Almus Pickerbaugh in the novel Arrowsmith, who had no better idea about fighting infectious disease than to hold public rallies promoting the notion of health.

21 posted on 07/16/2003 9:05:42 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Theodore R.
No one cares about the man, only the witch hunting myth the Libs use to salve their red blisters.
22 posted on 07/16/2003 9:49:13 AM PDT by SquirrelKing
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To: SquirrelKing
History books being used in high schools and colleges still do NOT acknowledge this new scholarship on McCarthy. He is still being portrayed the way he has been since the late 1950s. The new findings are considered too unworthy of being mentioned.
23 posted on 07/16/2003 9:54:06 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Poohbah; nopardons; DPB101
Nixon got things done. McCarthy simply (a) grandstanded and (b) made ALL anti-communists look like grandstanders.

Yes, Nixon nailed Alger Hiss but paid for it with the death of a thousand communist cuts climaxing with Watergate. He also enacted the EPA, OSHA, AMTRAK, did away with the draft and created an "independent" (just never any competition!) Postal Service at the behest of an activist Democrat Congress. I'm reminded that Reagan had a Democrat Congress too. Were it not for that embarrassing Hiss business Nixon would probably be a "progressive" hero.

McCarthy was the victim of the first liberal-communist Borking in my memory. It's had a tremendous impact on me. I wish you'd be specific about some of his FREQUENT incorrect allegations.

Do you think anti-McCarthy luminaries said things the "right" way" How about Drew Pearson and the press in general including "journalist" I.F. Stone (a paid Soviet agent), Senator Scott Lucas, Harold Ickes, Lillian Hellman, Sen. William Benton (whose own lawyer called his anti-McCarthy statement so scurrilous it "was the most libelous document he had ever seen;" to mention a few. If Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Buddha and Zoroaster had dared to stand up to entrenched communists in the U.S. government at that time, they'd have been Borked too.

24 posted on 07/16/2003 10:18:53 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Physicist
I don't believe he was advancing the cause of anti-communism.

You really should read Coulter's book.

25 posted on 07/16/2003 10:19:59 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Physicist
Dr. Almus Pickerbaugh in the novel Arrowsmith,
who had no better idea about fighting infectious disease
 than to hold public rallies promoting the notion of health.


Now, Sinclair Lewis knew how to pillory phonies.
I don't know if he'd be acceptable at all today, though.
Not shrill enough.
26 posted on 07/16/2003 10:50:46 AM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Physicist; Poohbah; Bernard Marx
McCarthy advanced anticommunism because, among other things, it was his rhetoric which defeated over a dozen New Dealers in the 1952 election.

He made it very uncomfortable to be a fellow traveler.

27 posted on 07/16/2003 1:12:01 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
McCarthy advanced anticommunism because, among other things, it was his rhetoric which defeated over a dozen New Dealers in the 1952 election.

How many more did he get re-elected because he made anticommunists look like flaming nutcases?

Also, kindly note that he "discovered" anti-communism because he was in political hot water for defending members of Kampfgruppe Peiper. Seems that most American voters don't cotton to their Senators supporting people who massacre unarmed POWs.

28 posted on 07/16/2003 1:15:15 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Poohbah
Lol...McCarthy was a Nazi! Yes, comrade, that is the official line. One which keeps being repeated no matter how many people explain what the SS story was all about.

Think I'll pass bothering to type it all out again. You know the story I am sure.

Liberals thought McCarthy damaged them.

Treason page 119:

( The Liberal) passion of hate for McCarthy had only one cause, candidly explained by Hubert Humphrey:" McCarthy's real threat to American democracy (was) the fact the he has immobilized the liberal movement." So they created a hobgoblin for the masses to fear. . .
Read this to get a taste of what McCarthy was fighting.
29 posted on 07/16/2003 2:28:42 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101; hchutch
Lol...McCarthy was a Nazi!

No, just someone who thought defending SS troops would help him politically.

Yes, comrade, that is the official line. One which keeps being repeated no matter how many people explain what the SS story was all about.

The only defect, so far as I could tell, with the US Army's treatment of Waffen-SS troops captured after December 18th, 1944, was that we didn't just give them Tarleton's Quarter on the spot.

30 posted on 07/16/2003 2:42:43 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Poohbah
Patton didn't want rank and file SS troops at the end of the war charged with war crimes either. He said all the "special sons of bitches" were dead and only what leaders we could find should be prosecuted.

The public didn't care about the SS stuff anyways. That is just another liberal hit on McCarthy.

31 posted on 07/16/2003 2:53:55 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Patton didn't want rank and file SS troops at the end of the war charged with war crimes either.

No, he just wanted them rearmed and aimed east.

Not necessarily a bad idea, but I would've been too Old Testament with SS troops to have any left in my AO.

The public didn't care about the SS stuff anyways.

Those who did care didn't like Tailgunner Joe siding with pond scum. And Tailgunner Joe was looking for an issue to make his own. Not because he actually believed it, but because he was just another political hustler in a town rife with political hustlers.

That is just another liberal hit on McCarthy.

I don't view McCarthy as anything other than another political opportunist.

32 posted on 07/16/2003 2:57:58 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Theodore R.
Buchanan makes a much better case for McCarthy than Coulter, but he doesn't overcome the suspicion that McCarthy made reckless claims and ultimately hurt the anti-communist cause at home and abroad. A stilletto can do some of the work a bludgeon can with fewer unwanted side-effects.

The broader question that goes far beyond McCarthy is how deep political controversies and demands for orthodoxy should enter into our private lives. It may be that all of the internal security and communist hunting measures were justified in the 1940s and 1950s but just what the boundaries between dissent and disloyalty are is always a living and hotly debated question, now as well as then. I get the feeling Coulter is riding high on the emotions of the moment and not looking at the deeper problems and consequences that highly politicized ages bring with them.

33 posted on 07/16/2003 3:05:50 PM PDT by x
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McCarthy is known for "witchhunts" only because he was a conservative.

In 1934, the McCormack/Dickstein committee went after conservatives by claiming those opposed to FDR were planning an armed "putsch" to undo the New Deal.

On Feb.11, 1941, Dickstein (D-NY) took to the floor of the House and declared:

One hundred and ten fascist organizations in the United States have had, and have now the key to the back door of the Un-American Activities Committee!
Dickstein, by the way, was a Soviet spy.
34 posted on 07/16/2003 5:54:49 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Keep posting the FACTS ! Perhaps the FACTS will finally dislodge the reams of Commie/Dem propaganda, that seems to becloud the minds of so many; far too many here.
35 posted on 07/16/2003 9:04:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Theodore R.
Thank for posting this fantastic article. A hale and hearty bump for one Patrick J. Buchanan.
36 posted on 07/16/2003 9:39:10 PM PDT by Captain Kennit
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Thank you for contributing absolutely with that post, liberal.
37 posted on 07/16/2003 9:41:32 PM PDT by Captain Kennit
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To: Theodore R.
I never realized that McCarthy was buried in Appleton... I used to travel there several times a year to lecture at Fox Valley Technical College. Had I known, I would have loved to visit and pay my respects to the great Senator.
38 posted on 07/16/2003 10:46:51 PM PDT by Tamzee (Peace is the prerogative of the victorious, not the vanquished.... Churchill)
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To: DPB101; HISSKGB; backhoe; nopardons; quietolong; marron; Stultis; NormsRevenge; RaceBannon; ...
McCarthy Was Right Ping List.
39 posted on 07/18/2003 3:13:18 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Poohbah
1. Don't make allegations unless you're dead certain your right. McCarthy FREQUENTLY violated this rule.

Please provide an example.

2. Don't make up figures (the ever-shifting number of "card-carrying Communists" in the State Department, for example).

You are the one making things up. please prove McCarthys lists were false.

Have you read Ann Coulter's book?

40 posted on 07/18/2003 3:18:34 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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