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Our troops took out FAR more bad guys this week. [Press robbing troops (and us) of victory daily]
CENTCOM and various ^ | July 16, 2003

Posted on 07/16/2003 8:07:02 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Analysis of US casualties in Iraq: Week of July 10 - July 16
 
7/10 - A 3rd Corp Supply Command soldier died after being hit by small arms fire - convoy near the city of Al Mahmudiyah.
7/10 - Baghdad, A 4th Infantry Division soldier was killed and one wounded in a rocket-propelled grenade attack on their convoy.
7/10 - BALAD, Iraq – A 4th Infantry Division soldier died on July 9 from a non-hostile gunshot incident.
7/12 - BAGHDAD, Iraq – Two 4th Infantry Division soldiers were wounded and one subsequently died from a non-hostile gunshot incident.
7/13 - BAGHDAD, Iraq – One soldier was killed and two others injured at approximately 6:30 a.m. July 13 when a tractor trailer crashed into their military vehicle, which was parked at a check point outside of a base camp near the city of Ad Diwaniyah.
7/14 - BAGHDAD, Iraq – A soldier from 3rd Infantry Division was killed and 10 others were injured at approximately 7 a.m. July 13 when the convoy they were traveling in was attacked by multiple rocket-propelled grenades. The convoy was returning from a routine patrol mission when it began receiving fire. Ten soldiers were injured in the attack, three of them seriously. The soldiers were evacuated to the 28th Combat Support Hospital for treatment. Seven soldiers were returned to duty.
7/16 - AL HILLAH, Iraq - A 1st Marine Expeditionary Force Marine died here July 15, as a result of injuries received after falling from the top of a building where he was standing guard duty.
7/16 - BAGHDAD, Iraq – A soldier from the 3rd Corps Support Command was killed and three others wounded at approximately 9:55 a.m. today in a rocket-propelled grenade attack on their convoy as it was traveling near Abu Ghuraib prison in the western part of Baghdad.

Hostile:  18 casualties: 4 soldiers k, 14 wounded: 3 k by RPG attacks on convoys, 1 by small arms fire. 14 wounded due to RPG fire (7 returned to duty).
 
Non-hostile:  7 casualties: 1 Marine, 3 Soldiers k, 3 w in non-hostile incidents: 2 k 1 w by gunfire, 1k falling off roof, 1 k 2 w vehicle accident.
 
Total: 8 killed, 17 wounded = 25 of our brave troops gave their lives or their blood for their country last week.
 
Their fellow Soldiers, Airmen and Marines did this to the bad guys:
 
COALITION AND IRAQI POLICE WORK TO MAKE IRAQ SECURE (July 11, 2003)

....In the last 24 hours, the 1st AD conducted five raids resulting in 182 detained individuals and 24 mortar rounds, 12 pistols, five assault rifles, seven rocket-propelled grenades, and four anti-tank rounds confiscated.

Elsewhere, Coalition forces continued aggressive patrols throughout the country over the last 24 hours conducting 26 raids, 1,134-day patrols and 958 night patrols. They also jointly patrolled with the Iraqi Police conducting 205 day patrols and 221 night patrols. On their own, Iraqi Police conducted 10 day and six night patrols.

The total raids and patrols resulted in 99 arrests for various criminal activities including three for murder, three for car jacking, three for aggravated assault, nine for burglary, and 18 for looting.

 
OPPOSITION LEADERS APPREHENDED IN NORTHERN IRAQ (July 12)
 
...In Mosul, the 101st Airborne Division apprehended three local opposition leaders. All three men are currently detained in the division’s holding facility.

The 1st Marine Expeditionary Force along with Iraqi police arrested two men in Al Kifl, one of whom is a suspected colonel in the former regime’s security force. Coalition forces searched the suspects’ houses finding approximately 100 blasting caps, time fuses and other explosives.

In a separate patrol, 1st MEF seized a cache of 1,000 122mm rockets in the town of Shayka Mazhar. They also seized numerous mortar rounds.

The 1st Armored Division conducted four raids resulting in 233 individuals detained and 20 pistols and 20 assault rifles confiscated.

July 13, 2003
OPERATION IVY SERPENT

TIKRIT, Iraq– The 4th Infantry Division and Task Force Ironhorse has launched the fourth series of operations, yesterday, focused on neutralizing paramilitary, Ba’ath Party loyalists and other subversive elements within Iraq. Operation Ivy Serpent is a preemptive strike that aggressively focuses on non-compliant forces and former regime leaders who are planning attacks against coalition forces in an attempt to hinder coalition and Iraqi efforts in building a new Iraq. Much of the effort is concentrated in a region along Highway 1 between the cities of Bayji, Huwayiah and Samarra. Coalition forces will not deter from the objective until these hostiles are located and destroyed.

Intelligence reports gathered from a variety of sources indicate former regime leaders plan attacks against coalition targets during this time frame. Coalition members encourage the local Iraqi leadership to take the initiative and aid in the capture of subversive elements that attempt to hinder the rebuilding of Iraq.

Ivy Serpent, like previous operations Peninsula Strike, Desert Scorpion and Sidewinder, will sweep the task force’s area of operations to root out elements attempting to undermine coalition efforts to restore basic infrastructure and stability in the region.

 
COALITION SECURITY EFFORTS CONTINUE (July 13)
 
BAGHDAD, Iraq – The 101st Airborne Division started border guard training for more than 100 border guards in the Chwarta and Halaba districts.

The 1st Armored Division conducted three raids resulting in 85 individuals being detained and 15 pistols, 15 assault rifles and one rocket-propelled grenade confiscated.

Elsewhere, Coalition forces continued aggressive patrols throughout the country over the last 24 hours conducting 22 raids, 1,166-day patrols and 894 night patrols. They also jointly patrolled with the Iraqi Police conducting 215 day patrols and 170 night patrols.

The total raids and patrols resulted in 330 arrests for various criminal activities including six for murder, one for kidnapping, two for car jacking, three for aggravated assault, 10 for burglary, and 42 looting.

July 13, 2003
OPERATION IVY SERPENT CONTINUES 
 
TIKRIT, Iraq – The 4th Infantry Division and Task Force Ironhorse launched Operation Ivy Serpent, a preemptive strike July 12, resulting in the capture of several members of the former regime and the confiscation of numerous weapons and ammunition caches.

In an early morning raid near Ba’qubah soldiers captured three former regime loyalist leaders.

Operation Ivy Serpent has resulted in the detainment of more than 80 people who are members of the Ba’ath Party, Fedayeen, Regime Death Squad or other subversive elements. During the course of the raids confiscated weapons include AK-47s, pistols, mortars and items used to make improvised explosive devices.

The 4th ID and Task Force Ironhorse will continue to pursue and capture non-compliant forces and former regime leaders who have attacked Coalition forces.


July 14, 2003
OPERATION IVY SERPENT YIELDS RESULTS
 
TIKRIT, Iraq – Operation Ivy Serpent, in its second day, resulted in the capture of 226 detainees and the confiscation of 800 82-mm mortar rounds, 50 AK-47s, 26 rocket-propelled grenades and three hand grenades. Six of the detainees are former regime loyalist leaders.

Operation Ivy Serpent, which started July 12, is the initiative of the 4th Infantry Division and Task Force Ironhorse to search for and apprehend high value targets and confiscate weapons and ammunition caches. Operation Ivy Serpent, like previous operations Peninsula Strike, Desert Scorpion and Sidewinder, will sweep the task force’s area and root out elements that have attacked Coalition forces.

So far in Operation Ivy Serpent the 4th ID and Taskforce Ironhorse have conducted 27 raids. To date, no Iraqi civilians have been killed or wounded in the operation. Additionally, no Coalition forces have been killed or wounded.

 
SODA MOUNTAIN CONTINUES TO SECURE IRAQ (July 16)

BAGHDAD, Iraq – The 4th Infantry Division continued to lead the way in Operation Soda Mountain with supporting operation, Operation Ivy Serpent, in order to create a secure environment in Iraq.

Since the beginning of the operation on July 12, the 4th ID has conducted 71 raids and detained 448 individuals, including 38 individuals identified as key former regime loyalists leaders. Confiscated weapons include 102 AK-47s, 387 125mm mortar rounds, and four 60 mm mortar tubes.

The 1st Marine Expeditionary Force discovered and destroyed eight SA-7 missiles located in the Muhawil ammunition supply point.

The 1st MEF came to the aid of an U. S. Army convoy that was attacked with an improvised explosive device in Babil. They later captured two of the attackers and confiscated a Dragonov rifle, AK-47s and ammunition. The attackers were taken for questioning.

The 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment seized a weapons cache in a town north of Habinyah. The weapons seized consisted of 400 rocket-propelled grenade rounds, 15 mortars with fuses and one anti-tank mine. A bunker complex was identified as well. An engineer unit demolished the bunker site

In other activity, a unit of the 101st Airborne Division secured the former Iraqi Military stipend payments paying 1,065 former Iraqi soldiers on the first day.

Elsewhere, Coalition forces continued aggressive patrols throughout the country over the last 24 hours conducting 65 raids, 1,347-day patrols and 1,690-night patrols. They also jointly patrolled with the Iraqi Police conducting 172-day patrols and 216-night patrols. Independently, the Iraqi Police conducted eight day patrols and two night patrols.

The total raids and patrols resulted in 360 arrests for various criminal activities including four for murder, five for car jacking, 11 for aggravated assault, 11 for burglary, and 13 for looting.

For further information contact the CJTF-7 Coalition Press Information Center at 914 360-5082/5089 or cpic.pressdesk.iraq@us.army.mil.

 
There are roughly 148,000 US troops now on the ground in Iraq - a nation ~ the size of California with a population of over 24 million Iraqis...most of whom are very glad we're there and are dying along side us while helping us locate and take out Saddam loyalists and other assorted troublemakers. 
 
During the past week - while stabilizing a whole nation - 8 of our awesome troops were killed (4 by hostile fire), 17 wounded (14 by hostile fire) - 25 total casualties across the nation of Iraq.
 
Seven wounded troops are now back on duty.
 
Our troops took out far more bad guys.

LT SMASH - LIVE FROM THE SANDBOX:

If we gave in to the snivelers and peaceniks who cry, “Bring our troops home now!” Iraq would undoubtedly descend into a bloody civil war, and God only knows who would come out on top. Saddam might even emerge from hiding, claiming to have driven the “infidels” out of his country. The United States would have suffered another black eye, and our enemies would be further emboldened to attack us again. We would have lost the war, and all of the brave Americans and British who gave their lives in this operation would have died in vain.

I am not willing to accept that scenario. You shouldn’t be, either.

We are the mightiest military to ever walk the face of the Earth. We have the capability and the will to finish this job.

Let's see it through to the end.

TRANSMISSION FROM LT Smash 1303Z |
 
The US military has been in Iraq 3 days shy of  4 months.
 
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Our troops are hunting down and removing vermin who did this:
 
NTales of Saddam's Brutality [lengthy, graphic]

Silent No Longer: Iraqi People Reveal the Past
American Forces Press Service ^ | June 26, 2003 | Linda D. Kozaryn

When the press failed to inform, the people did.

Some good Blogs from Iraq:
 
*L.T. SMASH - LIVE FROM THE SANDBOX ^
*http://chiefwiggles.blogspot.com/
*http://www.chinpokomon.com/
 
*A Brigade Commander's perspective of the situation in Baghdad as of July 14th
 
*ONE DAY IN IRAQ
 
The case against the press, the Democratic Party and, in particular, Bill and Hillary Clinton - who, by aligning themselves with nations who opposed our war in Iraq and who do not share our Constitution or values, are weakening America on the world stage and undermining the sitting President, endangering our troops, giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and kissing off the longsuffering Iraqi people for partisan power's sake: 
 
*Hillary Clinton Attacks Bush, U.S. Intelligence Services in Overseas Interview
*Hillary: "New Political Icon" Clinton's European Triumph
*Clinton: NATO should intervene in Iraq - AFP ^ | July 12, 2003 | AFP
*Clinton urged to head NATO  - Aftenpost (Norway) ^ | Tuesday 17 June 2003
*Democrats Use Bastille Day, Internet Activism to Bash Bush
 
*'Dems plan to undermine America to beat Bush' [DNC war 'talking points' for the press]

1 posted on 07/16/2003 8:07:03 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: All

2 posted on 07/16/2003 8:07:53 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Support Free Republic
Ann C's book is on the money. The Dems are traitors who care more about their self interests than those of the country.

Sure, they have the right to free speech, but not at the expense of the country. They should not be permitted to steal victory from the troops.
3 posted on 07/16/2003 8:10:32 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: *war_list
...During the week of July 10 - July 16, they also trained police, set up courts, oversaw the NGO workers, assisted in over 150 building projects....etc.!
 
It is difficult, dangerous work. Our troops are doing an awesome job. We should be celebrating their daily victories and cheering them on through the rough days. They deserve better from our press.

4 posted on 07/16/2003 8:12:26 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for the post. You don't think the news outlets are biased, do you?
5 posted on 07/16/2003 8:15:12 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for posting this! We sure don't get this news from the American media!
6 posted on 07/16/2003 8:17:18 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
How come none of this has been reported by the media???

I don't understand! </sacrasm off

7 posted on 07/16/2003 8:20:35 PM PDT by rllngrk33 (Being a liberal means never admitting you're wrong, even in the face of facts.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks again for getting the real news out .God bless our armed forces.
8 posted on 07/16/2003 8:20:51 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Let's do the math here. Out of 148,000 troops we have 8 killed in a week. At the height of Vietnam we had nearly 4 times the number of troops and the casualty rate was 3-4 times greater than the 30 KIA/week that we'd get if we extrapolate the present proportion of losses in Iraq. But the numbers ultimately don't matter as much as the public perception, and it's not solely the media's fault: Big kill ratios certainly didn't translate into victory in Korea or Vietnam.

It also matters immensely that we seize absolute control of all Iraq, leaving no sizeable havens for hostile forces. Aside from getting Saddam and his sons (assuming they're still out there), that'll be the true measure of progress, not body counts. If substantial pockets of territory remain open for the enemy to operate within, chances are the killing of our soldiers will drag on and on.
9 posted on 07/16/2003 8:21:29 PM PDT by Filibuster_60
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To: Loyal Buckeye
They should not be permitted to steal victory from the troops.

The media are human parasites and the RATs just feed off them. They want to relive Vietnam but it ain't gonna happen. The light of truth will dispel their burrows and expose these jackals. America is on to it and has been as ratings show. I truly believe with talk radio, FOX News, and endless Internet sources the whole picture will balance out.

"Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR. That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse."

~Mark Twain~

10 posted on 07/16/2003 8:23:30 PM PDT by w_over_w (A dollar's still a dollar at The Dollar General Store!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Some three decades ago or more, Hal Holbrook began his amazing portrayal of Samuel Clemens in "Mark Twain! Tonight!" I've been fortunate enough to have seen it four times. Don't miss it if it comes your way.

It also ran on TV right around 1969 or '70 and I taped it (audio only). In one act of the monologue, Holbrook drew on Twain to comment on the Vietnam War, still slogging onward at the time.

His comment via Mr. Twain was (after a suitable prelude),

"Even though the war be wrong, we are in it! We must fight it out. We cannot retire without dishonor!" Twain then comments on his own quote, "Why, not even a burglar could have said that better."

Let us not forget who the burglars are this time. Never, ever forget who and what mass-murdered so many people on September 11, 2001.

11 posted on 07/16/2003 8:24:26 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Defender2
A good read.

Check out Lt Smash blog if you get a chance (link above).
12 posted on 07/16/2003 8:28:27 PM PDT by amom (Go Lance! y'all)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
What a refreshing thread. Thanks.

I will be sharing these news articles.
13 posted on 07/16/2003 8:30:54 PM PDT by eyespysomething (The advertisement is the most truthful part of a newspaper - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: stboz
"Let us not forget who the burglars are this time. Never, ever forget who and what mass-murdered so many people on September 11, 2001. "


So why are we wasting time killing Iraqis when they had nada to do with 9-11? The clodhoppers they're fighting now had no effect on 9-11.

Onward to Saudi Arabia for 9-11 payback! Raze Riyadh!
14 posted on 07/16/2003 8:38:26 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Blzbba
Maybe we'd like to build up a little first.

Maybe some bases in Africa?
15 posted on 07/16/2003 8:40:54 PM PDT by eyespysomething (The advertisement is the most truthful part of a newspaper - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Blzbba
Bingo!
16 posted on 07/16/2003 9:07:14 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Gee, sounds like body count comparisons.

Where did I here of that before?
17 posted on 07/16/2003 9:22:48 PM PDT by ido_now
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
BTTT so that this info can get out. Which of the lamestream media will be the first to crack?

ABCCNNNBCCBS?? Hmmmmmmmm.
18 posted on 07/16/2003 9:33:51 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
All of this is interesting to read but please, please - let's not get into the body count business.

That's far too sensitive a subject and ghostly way of claiming victory that the media a long time ago used to stir up folks like ANSWER except back then they went under the name SDS (Students for a Democratic Society). They were rarely students, there was nothing democratic about them unless you're talking about Daschale (we used to claim the D stood for Dumba##) and the S had an even worse definition.

Owwww already too many ghosts!
19 posted on 07/16/2003 9:44:41 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
EXCELLENT COLLECTION AND POST!

You are exactly right with your title. The media, instead of reporting our successes as headlines, is reporting in a way, to make it sounds, as if we were "losing the peace".

They are trying to get people at home fed up, to turn Iraq into another Vietnam, where people demand we pull the troops out.

It is shameful and treasonous how they put petty and vicious politics above our national security.
20 posted on 07/16/2003 9:51:46 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
In a related story, the police chiefs from Los Angeles and Washington DC are visiting Iraq to learn how they can reduce their murder rates.
21 posted on 07/16/2003 9:52:55 PM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
bump
22 posted on 07/16/2003 10:41:10 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rob: "I see a five letter word. F-R-E-E-P. Freep." Jerry: "Freep? What's that?" - Dick Van Dyke Show)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Along with everyone else, let me add my thanks here!
23 posted on 07/16/2003 10:42:57 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl

Iraqi children shake hands with a U.S. soldier on patrol along a street in Baghdad. Security concerns mean some 9,000 troops from the U.S .Army's 3rd Infantry Division will remain in Iraq indefinitely.

From WorldTribune.net http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/

24 posted on 07/16/2003 10:49:17 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks Cowgirl, you're doing a great service by posting these for us. I know that I appreciate it.
25 posted on 07/16/2003 10:59:54 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to FreeRepublic!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for putting this into perspective. The constant bad news from the Dems and the media makes even a hardcore conservative like myself doubtful at times--so you know how it must affect your average fence straddling Joe Schmoe. I'm going to start listening to you and Rush more often. He's a good source when I need a pick me up. Better stay away from doom and gloom Savage for a while.
26 posted on 07/17/2003 1:39:33 AM PDT by beaversmom (Celebrating May 5th and all days with an American Flag)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I'm glad there are still some people focusing on all the positives being accomplished by those risking and giving their lives for our freedom. Thank you.
27 posted on 07/17/2003 5:35:01 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: FairOpinion
"They are trying to get people at home fed up"


From several articles I read yesterday, many of the soldiers over there are already fed up, with one even calling for Rummy's resignation.

It's easy for us (me included) to sit here and pontificate over war stats. Meanwhile, our boys are getting shot at for nothing. Saddam is gone...regime toppled...any American death over there now is a waste, IMO.

(although if you volunteered for military service, you shouldn't be complaining that you are having to serve! This doesn't make the deaths less of a waste, but what do soldiers expect?)
28 posted on 07/17/2003 6:53:45 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: eyespysomething
"Maybe we'd like to build up a little first.

Maybe some bases in Africa? "


I hope not. Our military is overextended as it is!
29 posted on 07/17/2003 6:59:55 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Coop
"..and giving their lives for our freedom."


With no disrespect intended, our freedom is under more assault from the Hillary Clintons of the world than any Iraqi raghead.

The Iraqis might've posed a threat to some individual lives with potential WMD usage, but my freedom is under more assault from good ol' American politicians and SC Justices than from the tattered remains of Saddam's regime.
30 posted on 07/17/2003 7:02:23 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Blzbba
Baloney.
31 posted on 07/17/2003 7:11:20 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Coop
"Baloney. "


Thanks for your informative response.
32 posted on 07/17/2003 7:19:46 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Blzbba
Our posts were about equal in informational content.
33 posted on 07/17/2003 9:32:36 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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True, but it's obvious to me that Iraq was and is not a bit of a threat to my freedom. Anyone who was ever remotely afraid of freedom being threatened by Iraq is delusional. WMD destruction? Sure. "Threat to Freedom"? Laughably wrong.

Meanwhile, more of our rights are rolled back in Congress and the SCOTUS, to which you say "Baloney".


34 posted on 07/17/2003 10:53:41 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Blzbba
You're talking about the Reuters article and the ABC "news" show where they trolled for 'victims'? Not news. Pure propaganda. Did you read this post? You might want to read the links at #1. You're response is exactly why OUR press should be censored for war crimes, imho.

The American people are selling out the troops by trusting proven untrustworthy sources - the same folks who bought and sold Baghdad Bob's lies, accused our troops of intentionally murdering women and children, ETC., and are deliberately undermining America on the world stage for partisan power's sake. Shame on any American who buys their lies.

35 posted on 07/17/2003 10:59:24 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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To: stboz; w_over_w
Great Twain quotes. Thank you!
36 posted on 07/17/2003 11:01:38 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I read an interview with a soldier who said he would ask for Rummy's resignation. That was reported and quoted on ABC, FOX, etc. I have no knowledge of its veracity and certainly am not in a position to make that up.

If you think Iraq is any threat to your literal freedom, then you are the one who is a victim of 'pure propaganda'. I believed (and still do) the potential WMD threat....but even in January, when the case was being made to attack, I never felt - and still don't - that Iraq was a literal threat to my freedom.

As far as the rest, I made it very clear that I support our troops and any actions they take to save innocent lives. This ain't no Liberal-Hippie posting this message. However, I don't believe in soldiers dying in vain, either.

Given the corruption of the White House over the past half-century (and before that)...from LBJ's Vietnam child-killing of American youth in the Vietnam failure...to Nixon's illegal shenanigans that forced his resignation...to Carter's pansy-assed attempts at resolving the Iranian hostage situation and giving away the Canal...to Iran-Contra...to the entire horrid 8 years of numerous Clintax lies and public manipulation...to now-questionable evidence for attacking Iraq, I think any American who refuses to question the actions of an Administration when those actions have led to the deaths of American soldiers is shameful.

If Gore was President and nothing else about the current situation was changed, this entire website would rightfully be calling for his head on a plate for potentially bogus reasoning for attacking. Shame on any American who stands pat while their countrymen die in foreign lands for no purpose.
37 posted on 07/17/2003 11:23:43 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
"You're talking about the Reuters article and the ABC "news" show where they trolled for 'victims'?"


Not sure about that article you referenced. I can assure you that I don't watch any of the major TV networks at all. The story I read was from a link from both DrudgeReport and Boortz.com, traditionally right-leaning sources.

Question: How can either of us be assured of the truthfulness of any source/website/link that we reference? Because I would totally expect a Centcom website (your link) to provide as favorable of an account of the situation as I would expect some hippie-treehugger "DU"-style site to provide an unfavorable account.

You are correct. Everyone has an agenda and wants people to believe their propaganda. How can I be sure of which one is correct? Hell, how can I be sure that ANY of them are correct?

George Orwell would be confused at the moment, going thru all the Newspeak!
38 posted on 07/17/2003 11:33:02 AM PDT by Blzbba
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To: Blzbba
Our boys are being shot at, because they are defending our country, which is what the military is for.

I suppose you would prefer thousands more US civilian casualties in 9-11 style attacks or worse instead?

Do you think we shouldn't fight the enemy, because it might result in the deaths of US soldiers? And your alternative is...? Obviously the alternative is to just let the enemy take us over and kill all of us.

While death of US soldiers is sad, more people are being killed in the US as a results of various accidents.
39 posted on 07/17/2003 12:06:10 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: SandRat
I don't buy the "concern" from the press for our fallen troops any more than I believe Bill Clinton feels their pain. The negative coverage is endangering their efforts and their lives.

How is it kind to mourn each sacrifice while ignoring why the sacrifice was made? It's the opposite of "concern" to turn each noble sacrifice into a reason NOT to fight for freedom. The press's 24/7 funeral dirge also endangers the troops by giving the enemy false hope. The press knows that the enemy is strengthened when America's will is shaken.

When the press coverage rose to a fever pitch at the end of June, you would have thought the enemy was slaughtering our "poor, defenseless, victims" daily. Bunk. What an insult. Our many warriors were involved in three major aggressive campaigns that month across Iraq. From June 9 - July 8: we lost a total of 24 troops: 15 hostile, 9 non-hostile; 50 wounded: 36 hostile, 13 non-hostile, 1 pilot ejected, cause under investigation. Over 176,000 troops paid back the enemy that month - with help from the grateful Iraqi people. Facts matter. Comparisons matter, especially when facts slap the enemy down and encourage the troops - and the free world.

Our troops went to war 4 months ago. They deserve our congratulations, not our pity.

Numbers are important. Saddam's loyalists are a nasty bunch who used info, backed up by torture, death or imprisonment, to incite fear in the Iraqi people for decades. Now, our 'objective' press is doing our enemies' bidding, playing enemy propaganda, hyping casualties. The troops hear the news. More importantly, their mothers hear the news.

Around 177,992 troops avenged the 8 fallen last week. They took out far more bad guys.

40 posted on 07/17/2003 12:07:55 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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To: Blzbba
Here is an excellent article as "Answer to those who would quit Iraq":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/947934/posts
41 posted on 07/17/2003 12:09:04 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: SandRat
Thank you for your service. Maybe we can avenge those ghosts this time - along with the fallen troops and the 9-11 victims. I'll think of you next time I respond to a 'Cronkite-wannabe'.
42 posted on 07/17/2003 12:13:44 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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To: FairOpinion
"Our boys are being shot at, because they are defending our country, which is what the military is for. "


No argument there. The soldiers who make the "I'm tired of this and wanna go home" statements are as guilty as any newsmedia for recording them. But hell, it's easy for you & I to sit here in our AC'd rooms and type crap back and forth, rather than get shot at.


"I suppose you would prefer thousands more US civilian casualties in 9-11 style attacks or worse instead? "

Nope. Typical overreaction from the far-right/far-left. My first post in this thread called for 'revenge on the 9-11 attackers', none of which were Iraqi. I feel we should be invading Saudi Arabia (my exact words were "Raze Riyadh!"), which still poses a threat to us and who bred 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers. Noone in the CIA or FBI or NSA thinks or has been able to tie an Iraqi to 9-11. So, Mr. Defense of America, please tell me why the hell we aren't attacking the Saudis? Or better yet, Pakistan - which is giving haven to Osama Bin Dipshit and the rest of Al Quada AND has 'nukular' WMDs! If you can explain this to me, I'd be appreciative.


"Do you think we shouldn't fight the enemy, because it might result in the deaths of US soldiers? And your alternative is...? Obviously the alternative is to just let the enemy take us over and kill all of us. "

Yeah, but again, Iraq hasn't been proven to be the immediate threat to us that Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and North Korea is so why aren't we attacking them?


"While death of US soldiers is sad, more people are being killed in the US as a results of various accidents. "

Very true. So what - should we wage war on all elderly drivers, since one of 'em took out 8 people in Calipornia yesterday? God knows that guy had the same impact on those people as a terrorist would've.
43 posted on 07/17/2003 12:47:28 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: FairOpinion
Your article makes an even better point than my post that, to address the root of this terrorism problem, our troops should be in Islamabad right now, seizing Al Quada assets and terrorists and hunting down Osama Bin Stupid.

We should've conquered the Saudis at least a year ago, rather than giving them more time to spread American hatred to their youth and giving our gas money to Arab shieks.

Attack Pakistan and Saudi Arabia immediately. Anything less than this won't stop more terrorist groups from forming in these already-unstable regimes.

Please tell me how I'm wrong here..
44 posted on 07/17/2003 12:56:11 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: FairOpinion
Hey FairOpinion...it looks like someone agrees with me!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/947984/posts

One down...an entire nation of Islamic hatred to go...
45 posted on 07/17/2003 12:59:56 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: PhiKapMom
We sure don't get this news from the American media!

PKM, when you find the American media please ping me.

46 posted on 07/17/2003 1:29:27 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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To: MEG33
You're very welcome. Amen.

Remember when Lt. Gen. Abizaid read the riot act to the Al Jazeera reporter at the CENTCOM briefing after Al Jazeera aired the video of our POWs? This man cares about the troops.

Armed Forces Know Mission Comes First in War on Terror
 
By Linda D. Kozaryn / American Forces Press Service
 

U.S. Army Gen. John Abizaid, commander, U.S. Central Command, briefs reporters at the Pentagon July 16, 2003.      WASHINGTON, July 16, 2003 — "We can either fight this battle against terrorism at home, or we can fight it abroad," U.S. Army Gen. John Abizaid said today. "Our soldiers have to know in their heart of hearts that they've got to fight it abroad."
      The new commander of Operation Iraqi Freedom met with Pentagon reporters on the eve of his departure for the Persian Gulf. Abizaid, who assumed command of U.S. Central Command July 7, gave an update on the security situation in Iraq. He also discussed how long troops would remain in Iraq, a question being posed by the public, military family members and the troops themselves.
     "It's very important to all of us to make sure that our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines know when they're coming home. I know this personally," Abizaid stressed.
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47 posted on 07/17/2003 1:35:36 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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To: Filibuster_60
Good post, I agree on all points. The media is key, though. They won't change, but we can bypass them and get the info out to the people. We did in Florida in 2000 and 2002. Bloggers, radio and FR make a difference...still, if we had an Ernie Pyle w/ his own radio show - the press couldn't create the perception that we're suffering major losses, and anyone hyping Saddam propaganda would have one voice shaming 'em into playing, say, pictures of the mass-graves, or an interview with a General everytime Saddam's loyalists "find" a new tape, play the same old damnable games inciting fear in the Iraqi population.
48 posted on 07/17/2003 1:40:24 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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To: ido_now
Gee, sounds like body count comparisons.

Any information can be twisted - goodness - if we didn't learn from Cronkite during Vietnam, we certainly learned from Saddam Hussein and over 24 years of propaganda.

Facts are weapons. A weapon in the hands of an ally is a good thing. I know most Freepers care very deeply about the troops, which is why we should absolutely use every tool we have to show what a great job our troops are doing. The numbers prove this. They also prove that the Iraqi people want us there. Two big lies debunked with a 'body count' in the hands of an ally.

49 posted on 07/17/2003 1:50:56 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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To: FairOpinion
It is shameful and treasonous how they put petty and vicious politics above our national security.

Yes it is...a major scandal, even.

50 posted on 07/17/2003 1:52:11 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (We're in a global war on terrorism..If you want to call that a quagmire, do it. I don't.*Rummy* 6-30)
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