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There's no stopping them now: 'They're here, they're queer, they fought an amazing campaign'
Chicago Sun-Times via WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, July 17, 2003 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 07/16/2003 11:10:53 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Personally, I'm relaxed about sodomy, which isn't the same as being relaxed during sodomy. But one does one's best to keep up with the times. I use the word ''sodomy,'' incidentally, mainly because I still can. I would wager that one of the consequences of the Supreme Court decision striking down sodomy laws will be that they've also struck down the word. I see New York is revising its statutes to eliminate such anachronistically pejorative terms, and in Georgia, where the DAs have made hip, busy cop-show acronyms out of their archaic legislation, I don't suppose ''SOLCAN''--as in ''Soliciting a Crime Against Nature''--will be long for this world.

David Frost likes to tell an anecdote from his mammoth post-Watergate Nixon interviews in the 70s. The former president was notoriously bad at small talk but, one Monday morning, decided to make an effort and, while the cameras were setting up, asked his interviewer, ''Did you do any fornicating this weekend?'' Frostie was doing an awful lot of fornicating in those days, but, as he noted, that's not generally the word your average playboy swinger uses to describe it. If you're an uptight Republican square and you're trying to get with the program, don't ask the reporter from The Advocate if he did any sodomizing this weekend.

Language has been an important weapon in the gay movement's very swift advance. In the old days, there was ''sodomy'': an act. In the late 19th century, the word ''homosexuality'' was coined: a condition. A generation ago, the accepted term became ''gay'': an identity. Each formulation raises the stakes: One can object to and even criminalize an act; one is obligated to be sympathetic toward a condition; but once it's a fully fledged 24/7 identity, like being Hispanic or Inuit, anything less than wholehearted acceptance gets you marked down as a bigot.

Which is why gay marriage is already here in two Canadian provinces (Ontario and British Columbia), coming to Britain any day now, and likely to be ruled a fundamental human right by the Massachusetts Supreme Court later this summer. The transformation of a ''crime against nature'' into a co-equal civic identity within little more than the span of one human lifetime is one of the most remarkable victories ever achieved by any minority group. Some years ago, the (gay) columnist Andrew Sullivan said to me that he reckoned there was more male-on-male sex in the days before the invention of gayness as a round-the-clock identity. I don't doubt it. But that only makes the triumph of gay marriage even more impressive: In the Western world, a minority that didn't even exist in a formal sense a century ago has managed to overwhelm and overhaul a universal societal institution thousands of years old.

Alas, my own taste in gays is hopelessly old-fashioned. I've hung around the theater most of my adult life, and I love the likes of Cole Porter and the eccentric English composer and painter Lord Berners. These are the fellows who thought homosexuality was one of those things ''Too Good For The Average Man,'' in the words of Lorenz Hart's sly lyric--too special for the masses. These days, the gay movement insists it's as average as any man, if not more so. Watching the two chubby gays being wed by a gay vicar on the steps of the courthouse in Vancouver the other day, Cole Porter would have wondered what on earth was the point of being homosexual.

Conversely, what about the moral authority that underpinned all those laws about crimes against nature? If it weren't for homosexuality, the ''mainstream'' Christian churches would get barely any press at all.

In Canada, the big story has been New Westminster's decision to become the first Anglican diocese to perform same-sex ceremonies. In Britain, the big story has been the nomination of a celibate gay to the bishopric of Reading, the first openly gay bishop in the Church of England. In America, the big story has been the nomination of a practicing gay to the bishopric of New Hampshire, the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church. In Nigeria, where on any Sunday the Anglicans in the pews outnumber those in America, Britain and Canada combined, the Archbishop is understandably miffed that the only news he gets from head office revolves around various permutations of gayness.

Nonetheless, the distinctions are fascinating. In England, the much touted celibacy of Canon Jeffrey John and his partner has a whiff of the ''but I didn't inhale'' about it: as someone said of Bill Clinton's defense in the Monica business, ''But I didn't impale.'' The New Hampshire bishop, who left his wife and kids and now lives in a fully committed and loving relationship with another man exploring his sexuality to the hilt, is much more au courant with the ''I Gotta Be Me'' sensibility of the age.

How far will it go? In Canada, the government has promised that the new law permitting same-sex marriage will ''protect'' the rights of churches. But anybody who's paid even cursory attention to Canadian court decisions knows what happens when gays and religion come up against each other: A Christian printer is fined because he politely declined a printing job from gay propagandists; a Christian college is told it cannot fire a promiscuous gay employee; a Christian high school is instructed that a gay teenager must be allowed to take his boyfriend to the prom. I wouldn't bet on the right of a Canadian church to decline to perform same-sex marriages surviving a sufficiently determined plaintiff. Look for gay weddings to become routine in northern churches within the next decade.

As for south of the border, the Episcopal Church, like the Church of England, is dying, and the notion that adopting exotic gay mascots will make either more relevant is highly doubtful. The most liberal churches are the emptiest. The fastest-growing religion in North America and western Europe is the sternest: Islam. And the only Christian churches showing any growth are the evangelicals--or the ''bigots,'' as Richard Holloway, the former Episcopal primate of Scotland, called them the other day.

That's marginally more polite than the description of ''traditionalists'' offered by his co-religionist, the first female Anglican bishop Barbara Harris, at the 1998 Lambeth conference: ''If assholes were airplanes, this conference would be an airport.'' One way or another, it's all very anal in the Anglican church these days. The problem for Bishop Harris is that one day those flying assholes will take off and the airport will be empty.

Those congregational attendance statistics tell their own story: Nobody needs a religion that licenses one's appetites. So thriving churches will increasingly exist in opposition to establishment culture. And thus the revolution comes full circle: gayness celebrated at the heart of society, and traditional Judeo-Christian morality relegated to the shadows, even though followers of the latter vastly outnumber those of the former.

What an amazing feat. Whether or not one approves of the sodomites, I can't help feeling a mite envious: How come guys this good never get the marketing account for my pet causes?


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: downourthroats; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; lesbian; notinprivate; pc; politicallycorrect; protectedclass; queer; samesexdisorder; sexualdeviants
Thursday, July 17, 2003

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1 posted on 07/16/2003 11:10:53 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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2 posted on 07/16/2003 11:11:58 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: JohnHuang2
They're also trying to recruit our children and they're constantly in my face. I now fight against them. Their lifestyle is dangerous and their behavior repulsive.
3 posted on 07/16/2003 11:14:05 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: JohnHuang2
I use the word ''sodomy,'' incidentally, mainly because I still can. I would wager that one of the consequences of the Supreme Court decision striking down sodomy laws will be that they've also struck down the word.

That day is coming. Michael Savage was chastized in part for calling a prank caller a sodomite after he "confirmed" that he was a homosexual (he was not).

4 posted on 07/16/2003 11:53:08 PM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
I work at a major daily newspaper in the Midwest. If I referred to a sodomite - even in a non-disparaging way - as what he/she is, a sodomite, I think I would be fired. Such is the USA in 2003. At work, I refer to them as homosexuals. I refuse to call them "gay."
5 posted on 07/17/2003 12:07:35 AM PDT by line drive to right
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To: JohnHuang2
Mark Steyn nails this one. If your religion accepts deviant behavior as being OK with God is there any reason to go to church?
6 posted on 07/17/2003 12:09:42 AM PDT by eggman
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
There will be a backlash. It may be happening now. Teens around here call "uncool" things "gay." They call losers in school "gay."

It's one thing to force people to comply to just laws. It's quite another to force an unjust situation on them.

7 posted on 07/17/2003 12:15:02 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
In this culture war, the Buttskrieg is on.

My PC speech is over. Not emcombered by a PC employer, I'm calling prostate pals what I want. I'm single, living and shopping near a high concentration of red rag rights. For a while I wore a wedding ring so as not to be pestered by the mistaken, but now I enjoy rejecting their advances.

Hate speech allegations will not be far behind. UU
8 posted on 07/17/2003 12:24:36 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: eggman
If your religion accepts deviant behavior as being OK with God is there any reason to go to church?

It's a nice place to "meet people".

9 posted on 07/17/2003 12:43:05 AM PDT by Salman
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To: SevenDaysInMay
Buttskrieg

ROFLMAO
10 posted on 07/17/2003 3:20:10 AM PDT by wafflehouse (the hell you say!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Nobody needs a religion that licenses one's appetites...

Superb.

11 posted on 07/17/2003 3:47:28 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: JohnHuang2
I don't suppose ''SOLCAN''--as in ''Soliciting a Crime Against Nature''--will be long for this world.
This phrase has always sounded to me like envirowacko rhetoric.

-Eric

12 posted on 07/17/2003 5:42:36 AM PDT by E Rocc (Reality is to liberals what garlic is to vampires.)
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To: weegee
That day is coming. Michael Savage was chastized in part for calling a prank caller a sodomite after he "confirmed" that he was a homosexual (he was not).
The way I heard it, Savage was chastized because he said he wished the guy would die of AIDS. Big difference.

-Eric

13 posted on 07/17/2003 5:43:54 AM PDT by E Rocc (Reality is to liberals what garlic is to vampires.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
They're also trying to recruit our children and they're constantly in my face. I now fight against them. Their lifestyle is dangerous and their behavior repulsive.

The next wave will be to lower the age of consent.

I was a kid in the 60's when the "sexual revolution" really got its wings. Up to that time, promiscuity existed in some fashion, but it was recognized as being wrong and most people did not engage in it for fear of being ostracized.

Now, promiscuity is beyond accepted, it is promoted. Homosexuality is promoted. It is only a matter of time until adult-child sex is promoted. It will be fashionable.

I remember the social conservatives warning about promiscuity and the "slippery slope" that it lead us to... they were ridiculed by the modern media.

We are way down the slippery slope now. I have no doubt that acceptance of adult-child sex is on the way down this path.
14 posted on 07/17/2003 6:03:40 AM PDT by Paloma_55
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To: JohnHuang2
There's no stopping them now: 'They're here, they're queer, they fought an amazing campaign'

I note that there is a warning on the FR posting page that warns against posting racist remarks... we know we have hit the bottom when that includes the above.

What torqued me the most about the recent USSC decision on this subject is the assumption that homosexuality is an inate condition that therefore infers civil rights.

If they assumed that homosexuals behave the way they do as a result of a decision (conscious or subconscious), their actions would not be protected.

Like Roe v Wade, yet another major decision that lacked the scientific support for its base argument.

If someone actually found a gay gene, I would drop my opposition to some aspects of this matter, but that gene has not been found yet the assumption has been made to assume it exists.
15 posted on 07/17/2003 6:11:08 AM PDT by Paloma_55
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As for south of the border, the Episcopal Church, like the Church of England, is dying, and the notion that adopting exotic gay mascots will make either more relevant is highly doubtful. The most liberal churches are the emptiest.

Can anyone explain why the cold facts seem to contradict the above statement?

The US Episcopal Church is not dying, and the most liberal church in America, the United Church of Christ, seems to have more than doubled in the last decade.



Largest denominational families in U.S., 2001
(self-identification, ARIS)

Denomination 1990 Est.
Adult Pop.
2001 Est.
Adult Pop.
Est. % of U.S. Pop.,
2001
% Change
1990 - 2001
Catholic 46,004,000 50,873,000 24.5% +11%
Baptist 33,964,000 33,830,000 16.3% 0%
Methodist/Wesleyan 14,174,000 14,150,000 6.8% 0%
Lutheran 9,110,000 9,580,000 4.6% +5%
Presbyterian 4,985,000 5,596,000 2.7% +12%
Pentecostal/Charismatic 3,191,000 4,407,000 2.1% +38%
Episcopalian/Anglican 3,042,000 3,451,000 1.7% +13%
Judaism 3,137,000 2,831,000 1.3% -10%
Latter-day Saints/Mormon 2,487,000 2,697,000 1.3% +8%
Churches of Christ 1,769,000 2,593,000 1.2% +47%
Congregational/
United Church of Christ
599,000 1,378,000 0.7% +130%
Jehovah's Witnesses 1,381,000 1,331,000 0.6% -4%
Assemblies of God 660,000 1,106,000 0.5% +68%

16 posted on 07/17/2003 6:11:41 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: JohnHuang2
BUMP
17 posted on 07/17/2003 6:23:16 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: E Rocc
Every report contained the word "sodomite". He told the troll caller 3 times to drop dead. One time he said of AIDS, one time he said choking on food, one time he said of parasites from undercooked meat.

Only AIDS and sodomite made every report. Sodomite is a verboten word in the modern world.

18 posted on 07/17/2003 10:50:03 AM PDT by weegee
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