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Uh, no...I'm just using the existing evidence to come to a logical conclusion...I'm not projecting my hopes and dreams on the future to come up with a conclusion that is illogical but allows me to stick my head in the sand.

There will always be conservatism...it will just be meaningless because it has been allowed to be watered down by people like W (and you).

And as for your prattle about how our self-centered society won't accept 'real' conservatism, leadership is about having a vision and convincing those who oppose you to get on board. The Bush administration shows absolutely no leadership in advancing even the most minute conservative value.

Lastly, TAX CUTS BY THEMSELVES ARE NOT A CONSERVATIVE PANACEA. Tax cuts without fiscal discipline are a train wreck, which is what W has set up.

And as for your prattle about how our self-centered society won't accept 'real' conservatism, leadership is about having a vision and convincing those who oppose you to get on board.

Are you serious, are just plain living in fantasy land? There has never been a pure conservative stronghold in anything we do in this nation. Leadership like Reagan's had to be scrapped for every inch of the way. Do you really not realize that society is getting more depraved, more lost, more selfish? Are you in denial?

The Bush administration shows absolutely no leadership in advancing even the most minute conservative value.

If you don't like Bush then next time go vote for whoever you think would be better. You won't find anyone out there who is electable who will fill YOUR bill and I think that's what pisses you off the most.

I'm sorry you're so angy at Bush, but if there is nothing you can do but bitch and moan about him not being conservative enough for YOU go live somewhere else!