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The real skinny: Dieting's a bunch of baloney
Atlanta Journal Consitituion ^ | July 20 2003 | SANDY SZWARC

Posted on 07/25/2003 2:32:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 12/30/2003 12:03:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

Some foods are so dangerously delicious that we must be protected from them and from ourselves -- or so the thinking goes among certain trial lawyers, legislators, special-interest groups and the Health and Human Services secretary.

These dietary watchdogs blame the obesity epidemic on fattening foods and the restaurants and food makers who tempt us with them. Fast-food restaurants especially must be stopped because they prey upon the poor and uneducated, duping them into ordering their greasy burgers and fries.


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1 posted on 07/25/2003 2:32:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Timesink; Xenalyte
looks like the series of articles has started to cause ripples
2 posted on 07/25/2003 2:38:00 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We reduced the fats, like butter and meats, and increased the intake of refined wheat and sugars.

And we gained weight...

And diabetes grew dramatically in the population...

It couldn’t possibly be that Atkins was right and everyone else was wrong…

Personally, I think he’s right.
3 posted on 07/25/2003 2:48:22 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: pokerbuddy0
Ping.
4 posted on 07/25/2003 2:58:44 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: DB
Me too. The sugar, grain, citrus, etc industries have done a good sales job.
5 posted on 07/25/2003 3:10:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There's no substitute for eating healthy and exercising. Especially the latter. Then you can have your creme brulee and eat it, too.
6 posted on 07/25/2003 3:19:22 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In The beginning, God populated the earth with broccoli and cauliflower and spinach, green and yellow and red vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live long and healthy lives.

Then, using God's great gifts, Satan created Ben and Jerry's and Krispy Creme. And Satan said, You want chocolate with that? And Man said Oh Yeah. And Woman said, and another one with sprinkles. And they gained 10 pounds.

And God created the healthful yogurt that Woman might keep the figure that Man found so fair.

And Satan brought forth white flour from the wheat, and sugar from the cane, and combined them. And Woman went from size 2 to size 10.

So God said, Try my fresh green salad.

And Satan presented Thousand-Island and Creamy Ranch Dressing and garlic toast on the side. And Man and Woman unfastened their belts following the repast.

God then said, I have sent you heart-healthy vegetables and olive oil in which to cook them.

And Satan brought forth deep fried fish and chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own platter. And Man gained more weight and his cholesterol went through the roof.

God then brought running shoes so that his children might lose those extra pounds.

And Satan gave cable TV with a remote control so Man would not have to toil changing the channels. And Man and Woman laughed and cried before the flickering light and gained more pounds.

Then God brought forth the potato, naturally low in fat and brimming with nutrition.

And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the starchy center into chips and deep-fried them. And man gained pounds.

God then gave lean beef so the Man might consume fewer calories and still satisfy his appetite.

And Satan created McDonald s and it s 99-cent double cheeseburger. Then said, You want fries with that? And Man replied, Oh Yeah! And super-size 'em. And Satan said, It is good. And Man went into cardiac arrest.

God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery.

And Satan created HMOs
7 posted on 07/25/2003 3:23:50 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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To: mewzilla
Moderation in all things is good, including eating and exercising. One recipe for fitness does not fit all. Start reading labels and find out what has sugar added to it. It surprises most. Low fat is not the answer for all.
8 posted on 07/25/2003 3:24:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We got religion from a dietician we dealt with during a family member's cardiac stay in hospital. Low fat does not necessarily equal a healthy diet. Eating a well-balanced diet, your moderation in all things, where you take don't take in more than your burn off, does. If people don't want to exercise they they shouldn't eat more than they can work off. About the only things I try to keep out of my mouth are refined sugars and trans-fats. I eat what I want, but make sure I burn off anything I overindulge in. Works pretty well. You don't need to exercise like a fiend if you don't overeat.
9 posted on 07/25/2003 3:29:56 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
Much to what you say. People need to know their own body and what burns off best. Once they know their engine type, the better able they are to fuel it.
10 posted on 07/25/2003 3:33:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That's why the diets are such a crock, too one-size fits all. Not to mention our nutritional and caloric needs change with age. What people need are info and self-discipline. Unfortunately for some, acquiring the former is easier than demonstrating the latter.
11 posted on 07/25/2003 3:36:28 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
The problem is that no ones knows what a well-balance diet is? But I think I figure it out the truth after all those conflicting medical studies:

1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.

3. The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans

4. The Italians drink excessive amounts of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.

5. The Germans drink a lot of beers and eat lots of sausages and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than the Americans.

CONCLUSION:

Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.

12 posted on 07/25/2003 3:43:58 AM PDT by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: BushCountry
#12..LOL!
13 posted on 07/25/2003 3:52:28 AM PDT by Guenevere (...a Florida resident for almost 30 years!!)
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To: DB; afraidfortherepublic
I agree with you. Atkins knew what he was talking about.

These complicated little bodies have alot more than just food and exercise affecting the weight. Atkins had shown me certain medicines, yeast, and lack of nutrition affects my weight loss. I have worked out till blue in the face and haven't lost weight the way I am now doing Atkins and making changes to the factors above.

I can't look at obese people without feeling empathy for them - they've been sold the lie as I had been on what to do to lose weight, only to have their health and weight loss goals sabotage by sugar, flour, trans fats, etc., etc.

14 posted on 07/25/2003 3:55:55 AM PDT by Ladysmith (Land of the Free Because of the BRAVE!)
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To: Ladysmith
I can't look at obese people without feeling empathy for them - they've been sold the lie as I had been on what to do to lose weight, only to have their health and weight loss goals sabotage by sugar, flour, trans fats, etc., etc.

Ditto!

15 posted on 07/25/2003 4:20:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I, personally, think weight obsession is a blight on our society.

Did Rubens think the women he painted were obese? Probably not, they looked healthy to him.

Many models, that young girls emulate, look like they came out of Auschwitz.

Nobody knows anything about moderation.

I had a physical recently. All my blood work is perfect, low sugar, good cholesterol readings, etc. etc.

Blood pressure and heart rate perfect, and then the doctor mentions according to the charts I'm 10 lbs overweight. Who said the researchers that make the charts have the market cornered on what healthy should be?

I was thinking, when they give a woman a "perfect weight" do they take into consideration if she's big busted versus small busted? Do they take into consideration whether she's going through perimenopause (where temporary weight gain is a common problem)?

How can one size fits all be right? It just doesn't make sense. My elderly mother-in-law is thrilled now because instead of weighing her usual 140 that she's been for her entire life, she weighs 100 lbs. She sees it as a sign of something good, I see it as a prescription for problems should she get the flu or take a fall.

We've got one mixed up society when it comes to weight issues.

16 posted on 07/25/2003 4:22:33 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53
Excellent points, well made.
17 posted on 07/25/2003 4:31:29 AM PDT by jammer
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To: Keith in Iowa
Then, using God's great gifts, Satan created Ben and Jerry's and Krispy Creme. And Satan said, You want chocolate with that? And Man said Oh Yeah.

hahaha..I'm bedeviled...pass the donuts, please. :)

18 posted on 07/25/2003 4:34:05 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: mewzilla
you can have your creme brulee and eat it, too.

One rarely sees an overweight Parisan. Some say it's the trip to the ladies' room after the meal, but I personally believe it's all the strolling.

19 posted on 07/25/2003 4:37:21 AM PDT by Snerfling
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To: Keith in Iowa
lol - nicely done, bravo!
20 posted on 07/25/2003 4:42:46 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: dawn53
Bump!
21 posted on 07/25/2003 4:48:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Snerfling
One rarely sees an overweight Parisan.

Julia Child never skimped on the cream and butter, did she?

22 posted on 07/25/2003 4:50:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"But behind these ideas is an intrinsic prejudice against fat people as irresponsible"

IMO, behind these ideas is mainly greed on the part of lawyers, who smell blood, and a payday.

23 posted on 07/25/2003 4:50:39 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: BushCountry
Bump!
24 posted on 07/25/2003 4:51:47 AM PDT by nevergore (Please return your seat trays and seat backs to their full and upright position....)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Low fat is not the answer for all."

IMO, not that I have all the answers, low fat is not the answer for too many of us, I believe low fat diets are dangerous and unhealthy.

25 posted on 07/25/2003 4:56:59 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: FreedomPoster
I failed to note that I'm not the original author of that - it was one of those things that came to me in e-mail once that had been sent around the 'net before it got to me...I does rather sum things up quite nicely - that's why I posted it :)
26 posted on 07/25/2003 4:57:45 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Before we get behind policies and regulations to "fix" the obesity problem, we need to be sure they're based on sound science rather than intuition. Our favorite creme brulee may be at stake

I wonder if the author has the same opinion on second-hand smoke and Kyoto.

27 posted on 07/25/2003 5:03:30 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: BushCountry
Eat right, exercise, die anyway. Eventually we will realize there are more important things in life than a skinny waist, big boobs, and a washboard stomach.

Things like taking the kids to the park, going to church with the family, and shutting off the TV and actually TALKING to our children. I've never heard a four year old say "I'm sorry daddy, I don't want to go on the merry-go-round 'cause you're too fat".

You only get one chance at life, don't blow it!

28 posted on 07/25/2003 5:04:40 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Exercise your right to vote, or they'll take that one too!)
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To: DB
It couldn’t possibly be that Atkins was right and everyone else was wrong…

Personally, I think he’s right.

Personally, I think he's dead. :-\

In any event, what good can comes from Atkins and Sears is that people should cast the suspicious eye on carbos that had previously been cast on fats. For myself personally, it's a matter of exercise. If I exercise, I keep the 32-inch waist. If I don't, then I gotta try to find the box with the 36's.

What's actually happening is a return to the commonly accepted 'folk knowledge' of hundreds of years, before pointy-headed university nutritionists foisted their inane 'food pyramid' upon the American populace as yet another liberal Great Society social experiment.

29 posted on 07/25/2003 5:05:22 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: dawn53
I agree about those charts. They are way too general.

However, considering the amount of overweight folks around, it seems like obesity deserves plenty of attention, even though much of that attention seems ill considered.
30 posted on 07/25/2003 5:05:53 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Good one!!
31 posted on 07/25/2003 5:09:38 AM PDT by Maria S
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To: BushCountry
I think it's the stupid society an all of the stress that causes most heart failure.

Tia

32 posted on 07/25/2003 5:10:53 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: dawn53
I was thinking, when they give a woman a "perfect weight" do they take into consideration if she's big busted versus small busted?

Good point. Apparently I am ahead of the curve since I always take that into consideration.

33 posted on 07/25/2003 5:11:51 AM PDT by ProudGOP
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To: WestPacSailor
WestPacSailor wrote:

Eat right, exercise, die anyway. Eventually we will realize there are more important things in life than a skinny waist, big boobs, and a washboard stomach.

Things like taking the kids to the park, going to church with the family, and shutting off the TV and actually TALKING to our children. I've never heard a four year old say "I'm sorry daddy, I don't want to go on the merry-go-round 'cause you're too fat".

**********************************

YES!

And Thank you!

I think you are wise

Tia

34 posted on 07/25/2003 5:13:18 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: Dr.Deth
"What's actually happening is a return to the commonly accepted 'folk knowledge' of hundreds of years"

That's true. Back in the 50's, when I was a kid, Mom used to always tell us kids that bread, potatos and sweets were the fattening things. I didn't even like the bread and potatos much then, though I do now.

35 posted on 07/25/2003 5:14:52 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
1. Whether we like it or not, heredity DOES have a lot to do with our propensity to be overweight. But just because we have the TENDENCY to gain weight easily doesn't give us a pass to pack on the pounds.

2. Usually the really thin people we all know do NOT diet; they really aren't all that interested in food and eat only when they're really hungry. I have two friends who actually forget to eat until somebody asks when they ate last. They're too busy doing...whatever they do all day.

3. We've made food the center of our lives; everything is scheduled around food. Life isn't about food.

37 posted on 07/25/2003 5:18:57 AM PDT by Maria S
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
America's fatter because the Baby Boomers aged. They were all skinnier in the 70s. because we were teens and young adults. There's a ton of them, which can't help but skew the data.
38 posted on 07/25/2003 5:19:35 AM PDT by keats5
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To: DB
I always liked the Scarsdale diet. Following it was sort of a discipline. Only for a couple of weeks at a time, but it
did tend to break bad habits.

Not that the bad habits didn't come creeping back.

39 posted on 07/25/2003 5:19:57 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: keats5
There's a ton of them, which can't help but skew the data.

Clever pun, even if it was unintended.

40 posted on 07/25/2003 5:21:54 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Exercise your right to vote, or they'll take that one too!)
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To: WestPacSailor
Eventually we will realize there are more important things in life than a skinny waist, big boobs, and a washboard stomach.

Yeah, like nailing Heidi Klump. But to do that, you need a skinny waist, and a washboard stomach.

41 posted on 07/25/2003 5:22:18 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Dr.Deth
Yeah, like nailing Heidi Klump. But to do that, you need a skinny waist, and a washboard stomach.

Not true...all you need is a big, thick wallet.

42 posted on 07/25/2003 5:23:21 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (Exercise your right to vote, or they'll take that one too!)
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To: Maria S
3. We've made food the center of our lives; everything is scheduled around food. Life isn't about food.

Right. It's about sex :)

43 posted on 07/25/2003 5:24:00 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As I see it... ;-)
Eat what you want, just watch the portions. And get some form of exercise.
Don't go a diet that doesn't let you eat the foods you like or crave because when you go off the diet (and 99% of people do) the weight will come right back.
Have a between meal snack so you don't get too hungry- your Mom was right, eating a snack before a dinner will ruin your appetite!
If you skip meals or cut down calories down too far- you'll probably overeat later.
We're overthinking this whole diet thing.
44 posted on 07/25/2003 5:25:43 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan (God made us Freepers, Prozac made us friends.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
(Chuckle!) bump!
45 posted on 07/25/2003 5:26:45 AM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: WestPacSailor
Not true...all you need is a big, thick wallet.

In truth, you need that, all of the above, perfect hair and teeth, a shaved back, and a johnson that can open the door 2 seconds before the rest of you gets there.

And even then, you better hope your ticket has a low number, because that's one long line.

46 posted on 07/25/2003 5:27:01 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Amen!
47 posted on 07/25/2003 5:27:20 AM PDT by tob2 (Old Fossil amd proud of it!)
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To: BushCountry
The problem is that no ones knows what a well-balance diet is?

I once told my doctor that my diet concentrated on the four basic food groups: caffeine, nicotine, cholesterol, and alcohol.

She was unimpressed.

48 posted on 07/25/2003 5:30:36 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: DB
We reduced the fats, like butter and meats, and increased the intake of refined wheat and sugars.

You nailed it. The rise in obesity corresponds with the low-fat craze and the indoctrination of the food pyramid (with its 5 servings of wheat and grains per day). Low fat in processed foods usually means high sugar.

49 posted on 07/25/2003 5:39:11 AM PDT by randita
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To: ProudGOP
Apparently I am ahead of the curve since I always take that into consideration

LOL!

My husband seems to also find it a valuable criteria.

50 posted on 07/25/2003 5:40:29 AM PDT by dawn53
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