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To: unspun
Alas, an expert counterfeiter will become more apt at conveying the designs of truth than most, who dispassionately and unintently regard the truth honestly.

Agreed, Brother Arlen. One can hardly tell what is counterfeit and what is real anymore.

But in dealing with questions of truth, dear brother, where there seems to be a conflict of possible interpretations, I just naturally assume that whatever truth can become socially effective at any time, in any age, is the product of human thinking, as resolved along the lines of God-given (and sanctioned) natural human experience, tuned to the needs of that age. Which is just to say, perhaps, that I trust in human reason, because it is divinely ordained.

To say age-specific "tuning" might appear helpful from time to time is not to say that God's universal laws (moral and natural) have been suspended, or that they can be "bent" by gratuitous human wishing. That does not then make it so that divine law has been excised on grounds of being no longer relevant to human concerns. Quite the contrary.

Instead, I declare axiomatically, that such are ever and always the prime human concerns, for the reason that God has declared it so. Else man cannot be man, just another brute....

I would ask you to consider this possibility.... The way I see it, this isn't tantamount to "selling out to Satan." What this is all about is reminding Satan that he cannot work outside of his own effective sphere of competence....

I think that sort of thing is well worth doing, as often as possible, these days. FWIW

9 posted on 07/26/2003 7:15:36 PM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
But in dealing with questions of truth, dear brother, where there seems to be a conflict of possible interpretations, I just naturally assume that whatever truth can become socially effective at any time, in any age, is the product of human thinking, as resolved along the lines of God-given (and sanctioned) natural human experience, tuned to the needs of that age. Which is just to say, perhaps, that I trust in human reason, because it is divinely ordained.

Thanks for sharing your sense of this. Here is how I see it. To put it bluntly, man is meant to be a spiritual coupler. That is how we interact with the realm of the spirit. That is the purpose for which we were created. (And that is why we do not have eyes to see, nor ears to hear, nor a tongue to express the realm of spirit in our walk both Earthly and fallen. Beyond perhaps a very unperceiving stumbling around, we perceive as by the spirit with whom our spirit is coupled.) Like Jung, Grandpierre is attempting to deny that. As with Jung though, there are beings that don't mind this, as long as the subject is made available.

Parts of the Church are stumbling around in much the same kind of experimentation that At.Gr. is flip-flopping in and I've been one of those who has done so. Now, the Lord will make Himself known as He will and I do believe He is limbering and warming up quite a few Christians, including in "empirical" ways of relating. But at the same time, there are "different devils for different levels," as I've heard it put in charismatic circles and the spirit is terrain of spirits, more than a mere 'home field advantage.' That terrain is not a realm for walking blindly --including the blindness of braces on brain and blinkers on eyes that you've referred to elsewhere. What good does it do, to gain spiritual sensitivity while maintaining a "modern" or "materialist" denial of the persons (spirits) that one attracts? That, to say nothing of the denying the Spirit who waits on the side, as a gentleman will.

11 posted on 07/26/2003 9:50:56 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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