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Bills to keep jobs in USA create uproar
USA TODAY ^

Posted on 07/29/2003 7:09:27 AM PDT by Mick2000

Just three years ago, Congress voted to allow more foreign workers into the United States. Times have changed.

Politicians are proposing tough — opponents say misguided — steps to keep jobs at home in the face of rising unemployment, a growing number of white-collar jobs being transferred to India and other countries and lingering anger over some U.S. allies' opposition to the war in Iraq.

The House has passed measures to require the Defense and State departments to buy a larger share of equipment from U.S. firms. The measure, which has provoked a corporate and political uproar, has not been approved by the Senate.

Legislators in several states are trying to bar the export of government jobs to foreign companies.

Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., chair of a Judiciary subcommittee, plans a hearing today on possible problems in the L-1 visa program, which allows companies to bring workers to the USA from their foreign operations. Workers complain that firms are using the program as a backdoor way to replace domestic employees with cheaper labor.

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To: goldstategop

Which is opposed by a Corporate America more concerned about the bottom line than the welfare of the country it supposedly resides in.

Your statement ignores the fact that many US based companies now have majority foreign ownership or close to it.  The reason for this is plain.  Foreign companies are buying into US companies at fire sale prices, since the value of US companies is being depressed by US law.

The corporate boards of those companies are responsible to ALL stockholders of the company, not just the US stockholders.  Just because a company originated in the US, doesn't mean that its owners will forever remain US citizens, if indeed, they ever were.  And, even if the owners are all US citizens, there is nothing patriotic about allowing your company to go bankrupt, for no better reason than to gratify a few Congressmen's egos.

 

201 posted on 07/29/2003 11:13:15 PM PDT by Action-America (The next country to invade Europe has to keep France!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
"A smart dem would run on this issue"

One of them, at least, already is: check out Dick Gephardt's "International Minimum Wage" idea.

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"Establishing an International Minimum Wage

An International Minimum Wage would keep U.S. workers competitive in the global marketplace.

Based on the imperative of protecting both human dignity around the world and American jobs here at home, Dick Gephardt believes we must establish an international minimum wage. The World Trade Organization should establish an international standard for a minimum wage.

The creation of such a wage would guarantee that workers all over the world earn a livable wage. It also would keep U.S. workers competitive in the global marketplace. Countries could offset lower wages with trade concessions, and more developed nations would share in the burden facing less developed nations."

Who cares if it's not feasible, most Pres. election voters won't give a fig as long as it sounds good and seems sensible.

Still going on record, as I have for over a year now, that Dick is gonna be the nominee, and we'll have a helluva time beating him, esp. if the economy lags into 2004.

202 posted on 07/29/2003 11:47:33 PM PDT by LincolnLover
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To: Ayn Rand wannabe
Do any of these solutions that we proposed go against the regulations of the WTO and NAFTA?

I did some cursory Googling on WTO and outsourcing, and it appears that WTO does support free trade in software services.

203 posted on 07/30/2003 3:38:37 AM PDT by angkor
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To: dfwgator
Let's just hope that the cure isn't worse than the disease.

How can the cure – repealing H-1B and L-1 programs – be worse than the current situation?

204 posted on 07/30/2003 4:38:23 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: Dr Warmoose
Wasn't this Pat Buchanan's platform?

Yes! … and Perot’s platform before him. … and it’s always been America’s policy until Bush I and his New World Order.

205 posted on 07/30/2003 4:45:38 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: LincolnLover
Like I said, the worst possible solution.

Gephardt has absolutely nothing going for him.
My guess is he would be crushed.
206 posted on 07/30/2003 4:55:12 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Mick2000
bttt
207 posted on 07/30/2003 5:30:09 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: goldstategop
That's not exactly a sarcastic response.

People who listen to Don Imus on the radio will know this to be the case. He runs a charitable foundation that sells western clothing and things like that, and he insists on two things: 1) all of the profits go to his ranch for children with cancer, and 2) everything must be made in the U.S.

Imus has gotten to the point where he is quite exasperated about this, and freely admits that Condition #2 makes it almost impossible for them to generate any profits for Condition #1.

208 posted on 07/30/2003 6:07:25 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Dr Warmoose
You hit the nail on the head.

Most people don't realize that companies relocating their headquarters to offshore locations are not doing this to avoid paying taxes on their U.S. income and profits -- they still have to do this no matter where they are located.

What they are doing is relocating to a foreign country that doesn't tax its income and profits from countries all over the world -- income and profits that have already been taxes in those countries.

209 posted on 07/30/2003 6:12:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Dr Warmoose
I believe that your chart may be flawed. I spend a lot of time in Baltimore and Columbus and the sales tax in Baltimore is 5% vs. 6.5% in Columbus. FYI
210 posted on 07/30/2003 6:27:55 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: dogbyte12
We should not have to pay $1 to defend Europe, Japan, South Korea.

True statement in principle, but false in reality.

Japan's economy is about half ours. If Japan ever developed a military half ours, it would have some very bad consequences. Do you really want Japan to have 3 carrier battle groups, and 5 nuclear armed Trident submarines roaming around ? Do you want Germany and France doing the same ?

211 posted on 07/30/2003 6:41:45 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Mick2000
The public's interest is definately not our government's interest.
212 posted on 07/30/2003 7:18:03 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Mick2000
simple solution....you want to do business in the US, then 85% of workforce has to be domestic.
213 posted on 07/30/2003 7:29:30 AM PDT by thinking
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To: bimbo
Yes! … and Perot’s platform before him. … and it’s always been America’s policy until Bush I and his New World Order.

AHEM...neither Truman nor Eisenhower ever thought to shaft American workers.

Beginning with the KENNEDY ROUND, every Admin has shafted American Workers.

The problem is that just like Blacks, one party gets the votes and the other party just writes them off.

If every "worker", Blue, white, pink collar, could agree to vote, just once for an agreed upon party (which? flip a coin at The Million American March), the very next day working stiffs would have the Complete and Undivided Attention of BOTH parties.

214 posted on 07/30/2003 12:49:21 PM PDT by Lael (Well, I Guess he DIDN'T go wobbly in the legs!! Now, "W", lets do the REST of the AXIS of EVIL!!)
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To: RockyMtnMan
The problem is the validation of the term "creating jobs". For years the gub'mint has poiint tho the creating of jobs when in reality they "create" (I know they do not create, that is why it in parantheses" 10 jobs paying 15000 per year to replace 5 jobs lost making 50000 per yeat. Instead of reporting it as a net job losss of 100000 per year they report it as a net gain of 5 jobs.
215 posted on 07/30/2003 9:55:28 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: sam_paine
Then why is it that since outsourcing has kicked into high gear, earnings have been flatter than before the outsourcing era in general and the only ones making out are the CEO's that see America down the creek with their big payoffs for their "brilliant" out of the box thinking. People above the CEO's on the food chain and below them take the shaft and they cash in.
216 posted on 07/30/2003 9:58:17 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: LincolnLover
Too bad a smart Republican will not run on this issue as it is a winner. Bush should co-opt this issue beofre it gets out of control. Unfortunately Buchanon is the only one on our side weighing in which is scary. I hate having a good message ruined by him being the messenger.
217 posted on 07/30/2003 10:01:51 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: L`enn; All
BTTT!!!!!!!!
218 posted on 07/31/2003 10:40:19 AM PDT by Lael (Well, I Guess he DIDN'T go wobbly in the legs!! Now, "W", lets do the REST of the AXIS of EVIL!!)
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To: Mick2000
If you dont have job, you dont pay taxes. If your factory moves to china, the state doesnt get taxes either. Those who still have jobs and those factories still here, have to pay more in taxes to make up the difference of those who dont pay anymore.
219 posted on 07/31/2003 8:02:24 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: adam_az
If Bush cared about border and immigration issues, we'd know it by now

If bush cared about keeping factories in america, and keeping american employed , we'd know about it by now too.

220 posted on 07/31/2003 8:04:07 PM PDT by waterstraat
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