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Posted on 08/01/2003 2:05:33 PM PDT by Jeff Head
I'd like to see you walk into any economics class in this world and make this argument about Karl Marx being in favor of unrestricted free-market capitalism (free trade). Can you show me what examples you have that you would use to make this argument?
Yes, Marx understood the social consequences and implications that Ricardo ignored.
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Well I hate to bring this up but it is not the government's job to regulate how much people make! Because when the government gets involved then the free market isn't free any longer!
The reason corps are heading out of America to set up manufaturing is because the government and the unions have made it worth the trouble.
Profit is akin to water, they both flow towards the least resistance.
More government regulation trying to stop corps from cutting and running is gonna get you nothing but more of the same.
The answer to the problem is really simple! Get rid of the stupid regulations, tell the damned Unions to stuff it and let businesses get back to what they are good at... making products at a profit, instead of being forced to hold senstivity training seminars and provide health care beneifts and retirment accounts, and worry if they are in violation of some trumped up EPA or OSHA regulation.
Your question is irrelevant to the discussion. Your methods of discussion are just like any other Democrat shill that breezes through here.
On the other hand, discussions involving "a fair trial and a fine hanging" for Free Traitors might be acceptable.
I've never voted for anything other than Republicans on the national level. Can't say the same for most of the Yellow Dog union-supporting trade protectionists on FR though, as many of them have admitted to voting for Democrats occasionally, and voting against Republicans frequently.
On second thought, I took the time to read it. His "point" culminated in a vague one-sided accusation without evidence to support it, just platitudes and quotes.
Is that like, unrestricted in the since Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Hitler were unrestricted. Should we not restrict ourselves in feeding those types of maws?
This is the entire point of the post...the free market that became the envy of the world, did so precisely because it was based on a fundamental moral foundation. The people were unrestricted because they restricted themselves through their moral conscience.
If you remove that little tid bit from the equation, you do not have the free market anymore.
When you invite the immoral, totalitarian to play on your field, you undercut and corrupt the very most basic nature of the free market and corrupt it.
Our policy in foreign trade, and the constitution provided for it, should be to avoid that happening and trade with those, and open our market up to those, who play on the same playing field we have created...and restrict those who do not until they show signs of doing so. Otherwise, you may have unrestricted free trade...but you do not have the free market that produced the wealth we currently enjoy.
Just my opinion.
First, this is not a simple protectionism issue; there are important moral elements (consuming goods manufactured by political and religious prisoners), and international conglomerates have agglomerated more power than most governments.
Second, Hayak has not mapped all of the routes, since in his atheism he bound himself in the depths of ignorance on the only issues that matter.
Get a copy of his speech to the Democratic Association of Brussels at its public meeting of January 9, 1848. In it he concludes, "...the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.
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Don't pull that crap with me. I know better
READ the bloody post.
UNTRAMMELED.
The sort of "make a buck at any cost, screw your buddy" sort of thing. Unprincipaled , no-hold-barred money-making on the backs of people who cannot defend themselves.
And some American corporations do it. And some people here like it.
And yeah.. I call it evil when it is done that way.
Tia
That's all it is...my opinion about the Free Market and what ultimately makes it strong...and I stand by it.
Come on, man... are you that intellectually lazy? You would walk into an economics class trying to convince them that Karl Marx was for free market capitalism based on that? In that entire text he rants about how much he hates free trade and the people that support it... over and over and over again... and in one quote throws in a tounge-in-cheek rhetorical device saying he would support it over the current system only because he knew that the people of that day were too dumb to understand it, thereby making it easier for his side to win them over with their class warfare demagoguery. But, no... Willie Green found you one little quote that you read which appears to say Karl Marx was a free marketeer, unbeknownst to every student of economics the world has ever heard from. Amazing.
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