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Lake Champlain: NY's "Loch Ness"
e-mail | 08.04.03

Posted on 08/04/2003 9:23:32 AM PDT by Coleus

Since this hasn't hit commercial mainstream news (yet), let me fill you in on the details (so far); details that YOU can check out for yourselves.

Discovery Channel was doing a special on Champ, Lake Champlain's "Loch Ness Monster." They hired specialists to work on the project.  Articles about the project:

http://www.pressrepublican.com/Archive/2003/06_2003/0606200310.htm
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/Columnists/Sam/0718042653.htm

One of the specialists, Elizabeth von Muggenthaler, studies bioacoustics, and has published many serious scientific articles about the sounds of rhinoceroseses, and tigers, and giraffes!  Articles about some of her work:

http://www.animalvoice.com/sumatran_rhino.htm
http://www.aip.org/isns/reports/2001/003.html
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/giraffes021010.html

(She's real. She's done lots of stuff. She's done stuff unrelated to cryptozoology. AND she has lots of numbers.

While at Lake Champlain, her team recorded unusual sounds on several hi-tech scientific instruments. The sounds may be compared to beluga whales, but different. (There are no beluga whales, or other cetaceans, reported to be in Lake Champlain.) Link to preliminary results:

http://www.animalvoice.com/LakeChamplain.htm 
 
(This gives all those boring technical details, that can be checked by those who know.)

I'm not encouraging you to speculate about plesiosaurs and giant sturgeons and zeuglodons. I AM pointing out that SOMEthing made odd sounds recently recorded in Lake Champlain. There is multiple evidence from a credible source. People who don't "believe" now have to account for these odd sounds. (Anyone who cries, "Hoax!" will have to demonstrate how it was done, fitting all of the evidence.)  (You're on the internet. Look up zeuglodon on your own!

This link to a message board will probably continue to provide the most up-to-date info. Posters here usually provide links (...and colorful commentary :D#) about the info they provide:
http://www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=25;t=005984


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: New Hampshire; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: Vermont
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I received this in an e-mail and don't really believe in any of this stuff, i.e., Sasquatch, lock ness monsters, UFO's, etc. Ever notice they can never provide a clear picture. Anyway for those who are interested, enjoy.
1 posted on 08/04/2003 9:23:32 AM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus
I used to go to a little resort on Lake Champlain every summer. Of course, they were peddling this stuff 20 years ago.
2 posted on 08/04/2003 9:24:37 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
Sure, a way to keep the tourists coming year after year to be the first to photograph or see it. Just another tourist trap to keep the flow of $$$$ coming in.
3 posted on 08/04/2003 9:26:44 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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To: Coleus
People who don't "believe" now have to account for these odd sounds.

Nope. People who do "believe"--and who wish to persuade others to believe--will have to show what made the allegedly odd sounds.

4 posted on 08/04/2003 9:28:09 AM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: Coleus
One of the most famous sightings of "Champ" involves an entire wedding party that spotted the monster while cruising on one of the paddle-wheel boats.(I have heard Paul Harvey report on this, myself). Well it just so happens that my family boarded the boat as that party came off (I have the home movies to prove it). I went to the captain and asked him if he saw the thing. He told me that it was a hoax concocted by the wedding party. They had wanted the captain to go along with it, but he told me he just couldn't.
Since then, I have always taken these reports with a grain of sand.
5 posted on 08/04/2003 9:32:32 AM PDT by PaulJ
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To: Coleus
Was Hitlery scuba diving recently?
6 posted on 08/04/2003 9:33:43 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: IYAS9YAS
People just shouldn't eat beans before they go in the water.
7 posted on 08/04/2003 9:36:18 AM PDT by never4get (T-Minus 34 and counting....GRILL?, CK.....WINGS?, CK...COLD BREW?, CK)
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To: Coleus
SOMEthing made odd sounds recently recorded in Lake Champlain.

A tourist from Yonkers going for a swim after too many helpings of baked beans.

8 posted on 08/04/2003 9:47:42 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: Rodney King
I used to go to a little resort on Lake Champlain every summer.

Might it have been Basin Harbor, in Vergennes, VT?  My family stayed there several times in the late 60s to early 70s while my brother was going to Middlebury College.  It's on the Vermont side of Lake Champlain.  The golf course was fabulous, and I loved all of the odd little cabins (and big ones, too).

Here's a link to an article (I guess from 1985?) about a videotaped sighting of the "monster," known locally as "Champ" from Basin Harbor.

9 posted on 08/04/2003 9:48:45 AM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: never4get
LOL...great minds...
10 posted on 08/04/2003 9:48:55 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: Coleus
I hope this isn't the latest in the efforts to have Lake C declared the sixth "Great Lake".
11 posted on 08/04/2003 9:49:24 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
Yeah, whenever someone tells me I must now disprove "evidence" I'm suspiscious. It really only proves that someone may be more clever than me at creating a believable scam. And since I don't work in that area, I'm probably easily scam-able.

You want me to believe? Tow it up on the beach and let me try a slice.

12 posted on 08/04/2003 9:50:00 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: Phsstpok
and I bet the video is blurry.
13 posted on 08/04/2003 9:50:47 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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To: Phsstpok
Yeah, Basin Harbor. I was there every summer from like 1978 - 1990.
14 posted on 08/04/2003 10:08:10 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Coleus
Its true, I saw Champ from the air after I was abducted by the space aliens.
15 posted on 08/04/2003 10:08:30 AM PDT by Coroner
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To: Cyber Liberty
They want it to be declared a "Great Lake" so it can dip into federal money spent on the existing "Great Lakes". If there wasn't any money in being a "Great Lake", I doubt they would care.
16 posted on 08/04/2003 12:35:56 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Coleus
Wouldn't this lake have been completely gouged out by a glacier during the last Ice Age? At the very least, it would have been capped by a heck of a lot of ice and debris.
17 posted on 08/04/2003 12:37:28 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Coroner
Yea, me too, you can get a great view from way up there.
18 posted on 08/04/2003 12:39:52 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight and gave an innate predisposition for self-preservation and protection)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Well, yes. Of course they wouldn't care if there wasn't a buck in it somewhere.
19 posted on 08/04/2003 12:40:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Coleus
I'm a proud tin-foil hat wearer! Yes, I believe that "Nessie", UFO's, Sasquatch's, chupacabras all exist. I swear, I caught a chupacabra once. Ate it for dinner. It tasted like roast moose with cheddar cheese.

Honestly though, I'm into this supernatural, tin-foil stuff. Part of me says that just some of it HAS to be real.
20 posted on 08/04/2003 12:48:00 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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