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Fake "Ask John Lott" Web Site Steals His Identity, Seeks to Discredit Gun Researcher
http://www.2asisters.org | 8/5/03 | 2nd Amendment Sisters

Posted on 08/05/2003 8:52:26 AM PDT by pabianice

----- Forwarded message from SASResearch@topica.com ---- -

FYI! You all should tak note of this, in case you start hearing things... By maria@2asisters.org

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp? Page=/Nation/archive/200308/NAT2003080 4c.html

Gun Statistics Expert John Lott Victim of Identity Theft By Jeff Johnson

CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief

August 04, 2003

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Dr. John Lott, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and author of the most widely cited research on civilian use of firearms against criminals, has been targeted by an online identity theft scheme, he disclosed Friday.

Lott operates his own website through which he makes available the raw data for the research cited in his most famous book "More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws."

Running a search for Lott's name on the Google search engine Friday morning, CNSNews.com found hundreds of links to pages talking about Lott and dozens of links to pages containing material written by Lott. The search even, if pursued long enough, yielded a link to Lott's official web page.

But the Google search also displayed "a sponsored link" for the web page "AskJohnLott.org."

"Ask John Lott: You can ask him any question you have about gun control or his books www.askjohnlott.org," the paid advertisement claimed, followed by a graphic indicator showing high interest in the website.

The only problem with both the advertisement and the website is that neither was authorized by Lott.

"I think 90-some percent of people who look at it will probably think it's done by me," the real Lott told CNSNews.com Friday. "When you look at the front page, it's not exactly my writing style, but it ... has my picture, it has a letter on the introductory page that [purports to be] signed by me."

The former senior researcher at the Yale University School of Law believes the creator of the website is committing a civil violation, if not a crime, by appropriating Lott's identity.

"They're using my name, they're taking it and using it in a way that I don't agree with," Lott said. "I think stealing is what it is."

The home page of the fraudulent site greets visitors with the salutation, "Dear fellow gun owner."

"I find that gun owners are usually pretty good at keeping themselves informed about the politics and issues surrounding gun control and gun rights. However, many of us just don't have the time - or the ability - to keep abreast of every new twist and turn in the fast- changing - and confusing - world of politics," the unknown creator of the fraudulent website writes. "That's why I decided to have this site made."

The page provides a link to "Click here to ask me a question" and is signed "John Lott." The biographical information on the "John Lott's Background" page is mostly accurate, with the exception of an apparently sarcastic reference to the pseudonym "Mary Rosh," which Lott began using in Internet chat rooms discussing his work after receiving harassing and even threatening telephone calls from participants in the chats.

Lott surprised at 'effort and expense' to discredit him

Lott believes the motivation for some person or organization to create the fake website is apparent.

"The person or the group, whoever it is that's doing this, wants to use my name to advance causes with which I disagree, by directly saying that I support things I don't support" Lott said. "The person is also using it to try to discredit me in some way, by putting out into the public debate statements that will be attributed to me that were not made by me."

Lott believes whoever is responsible for the site must be extremely angered by his research, considering the cost of designing and maintaining a website, subscribing to a commercial email response service and purchasing advertising from the most popular Internet search engine in the world.

"It's not only the effort, but they've gone to some expense with regard to this, too," Lott observed. "Some of these ads and stuff that they've put up ... these are not cheap things to do."

Fake site's creator responds to questions, claims to be Lott

Questions sent using the link provided received an automated response:

"That was a great question. Thanks for taking the time to ask me," the creator of the fake website wrote. "This email you're receiving right now is automatic, just to let you know that I know you exist. I will reply to your email shortly."

The reply went on to falsely imply that Lott had reconsidered his support of the right of law-abiding individuals to sell personally owned firearms to other law-abiding citizens without government permission, repeating claims of "anti-gun lobbyists" and attributing to Lott the conclusion, "it suddenly appears that maybe we need to check our assumptions." The email is signed, "Good luck. John Lott."

In other email messages reviewed by CNSNews.com , the unknown author claiming to be Lott inaccurately stated Lott's position on the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act currently under consideration by the Senate. Lott supports the legislation, which would block lawsuits against gun makers, distributors and dealers when criminals misuse a lawfully sold firearm.

"This is not John Lott's website," one angry reader familiar with Lott's true positions wrote to the site's author. "Why are you pretending to be a website actually run by Dr. Lott?"

The reader was even angrier when he received what he called an "outrageous" response.

"Why are you pretending not to believe this site? I believe, if you look at my track record, you'll see that everything I've done in my entire career has been upfront and straightforward," the Lott imposter wrote. "Why have you decided now to question me?"

Again, the email written by the creator of the fraudulent site claimed to be sent from, "John Lott."

"I've tried talking to the Internet Service Provider to try to get information on who's running the website and they have been unhelpful," Lott said (what a surprise -- Ed.). "They basically said that I would have to get a criminal subpoena to find out who is doing it."

Bogus website operator may be guilty of federal crime

A "whois" database search for the domain name "AskJohnLott.org," revealed that it is fraudulently registered to "Mary Rosh" at the nonexistent "Center for Truth." The alleged organization's mailing address is listed as "380 Main Street, Washington DC, New York 10012."

When CNSNews.com called the telephone number listed for the domain registration, an unidentified female answered the phone. When asked about the website, she placed her hand over the mouthpiece of the telephone and said, "It's somebody asking about the John Lott website. What do you want me to tell them?"

A male voice responded, "Just tell them you asked around and no one really knows anything about it." The female repeated the response as she had been instructed and terminated the call.

Because the Internet, by its very nature, is an interstate entity, federal laws govern its civil or criminal misuse. A former Justice Department attorney, who spoke to CNSNews.com on condition of anonymity, said the operator of the website may intend it as a "little prank, but he could be in for a big surprise."

"Fraud by wire, radio, or television" (18 U.S.C. 1343) is a federal crime:

"Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned ... or both."

Depending on the circumstances involved, the crime is punishable by fines of up to $1,000,000 and imprisoned for up to 30 years.

The former prosecutor said the intentional misappropriation of Lott's photograph and name, combined with the emailed responses attempting to convince readers that the site is really run by Lott most likely also constitute identity theft and could be subject to both criminal and civil prosecution for those acts, as well.

"This person or persons could end up bankrupt, in jail for years, and barred by the court from ever even touching a computer again as long as they live," he speculated.

Lott would not say if he has contacted law enforcement authorities directly about criminal prosecution of the website's operator or operators, but he is taking action.

"Things are moving a little bit more slowly than I guess I'd like," he admitted. "I'm going to talk to some lawyers, to see what other options I have, next week."

Google apparently removed advertisement, but would not comment

Michael Mayzel, public relations representative for Google's advertising department, said the company will not discuss specifics regarding any advertiser's account for privacy reasons. But Google does, he explained, have a standing policy to protect individuals, such as Lott, whose names are being misused.

"When we receive a complaint from a trademark owner, our review is limited to ensuring that the advertisements at issue are not using the trademarked term as a keyword trigger," the policy states. "If they are, we disable those keywords from the ad campaign."

Google considers an individual's unique name to be that person's trademark in the same manner that the unique name of a business would be considered the property of that business.

Mayzel would neither confirm nor deny that Google had taken any action regarding the advertisement, but more than a dozen searches conducted Friday afternoon for variations of "John Lott" and "Ask John Lott" did not result in the ad being displayed.


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To: Bikers4Bush
I just went to it. Click on my link in #17.
21 posted on 08/05/2003 9:52:23 AM PDT by Ouachita
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To: Bikers4Bush
It's still there.
22 posted on 08/05/2003 9:52:27 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
The web site is still up.
23 posted on 08/05/2003 9:53:47 AM PDT by Mini-14
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To: Ouachita
Still not working for me. Must be something on my end.
24 posted on 08/05/2003 9:57:46 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: pabianice
Trademark infringement and identity theft seem to be Peretti specialties.

Another example of his efforts:

http://www.whatisvictoriassecret.com/
25 posted on 08/05/2003 10:04:00 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Bikers4Bush
This has been added at the bottom of the page now.

This site is not run by John Lott, he has no affiliation with it.
It is run by Mary Rosh. John Lott used Mary Rosh to support his books in internet forums,
and put false claims in her mouth. Now Mary Rosh has created this site,
to show John Lott that parody is a two-way street.
You can find out more about her at WhoIsMaryRosh.com.

26 posted on 08/05/2003 10:04:53 AM PDT by Ouachita
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To: Joe Brower
Fraud is fraud.
27 posted on 08/05/2003 10:07:00 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Charles Martel
Parsons School of Design

(teaches at)

Phone calls

Faxs

Email

Webhits



Be creative

Bandwidth is always limited

1 of my 6 websites is temporarily overloaded now


Why not theirs?


28 posted on 08/05/2003 10:11:53 AM PDT by autoresponder (PETA TERRORISTS .wav file: BRUCE FRIEDRICH: http://tinyurl.com/hjhd)
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To: freekitty
I concur. It would be good to see the guy responsible for this hung out to dry.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

29 posted on 08/05/2003 10:11:53 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Socialism is the opiate of the intelligentsia.)
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To: Ouachita
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott
30 posted on 08/05/2003 10:12:56 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: pabianice; Mini-14; Shooter 2.5; Yehuda; Bikers4Bush; Ouachita; Jay D. Dyson; bmwcyle; sc2_ct; ...
Every time someone clicks through on the paid advertisement it costs the advertiser. I think the Google minimum is 5 cents. I think everyone here should try doing a search for "John Lott" on Google and click through the advertisement, just to see how this works. Of course if the advertiser's account runs out of money (there is a monthly limit that the advertiser sets) then Google takes the ad down until more money is authorized.
31 posted on 08/05/2003 10:16:56 AM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: pabianice

1:20pm TUE AUG 5 2003

GOOGLE SEARCH:


Ask John Lott - About John Lott
About John Lott: John R. Lott Jr., is a resident scholar at the American
Enterprise Institute. Before joining AEI, Mr. Lott was ...
www.askjohnlott.org/bio.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages

Ask John Lott
Dear Fellow Gun Owner,. I find that gun owners are usually pretty good
at keeping themselves informed about the politics and issues ...
www.askjohnlott.org/ - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.askjohnlott.org ]

John Lott's Website
... A Web site called "Ask John Lott" appears to offer Mr. Lott's responses to questions
about gun laws, but Mr. Lott said he has nothing to do with the site. ...
www.johnrlott.com/ - 65k - Cached - Similar pages

Inside Politics - The Washington Times: Inside Politics
... makers seem to be targeting economist John Lott, author of "More Guns, Less Crime"
and "The Bias Against Guns." A Web site called "Ask John Lott" appears to ...
www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm - 67k - Cached - Similar pages
32 posted on 08/05/2003 10:23:41 AM PDT by autoresponder (PETA TERRORISTS .wav file: BRUCE FRIEDRICH: http://tinyurl.com/hjhd)
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To: Dan Cooper
Every time someone clicks through on the paid advertisement

I saw it a few times - now it is gone. Hmmm. . . .

33 posted on 08/05/2003 10:24:02 AM PDT by Flyer (I am the only one that reads tag lines)
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To: Yehuda
I have contacted John Lott (the real one) with what I believe to be sufficient information to bring to law enforcement and begin an official investigation into Jonah.

The registration information mixed with his history is damning in a court of public opinion, and hopefully it will be equally damning in a court of law.

My respect for MIT just took a large drop in my eyes for not training this SOB how to cover his tracks better.
34 posted on 08/05/2003 10:36:35 AM PDT by sc2_ct
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To: pabianice
Pic of Boy Jonah


35 posted on 08/05/2003 11:33:09 AM PDT by tang-soo
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To: pabianice
Okay: I'm not condoning identity theft, and I know Mr. Lott is probably a nice guy who's been unfairly maligned, etc. But doesn't anyone here find it even slightly amusing?

I mean, John Lott makes up a fake identity (Mary Rosh), to chearlead for himself, and someone not only steals his real identity, but also takes over his fake identity to parody him? It's funny on multiple levels.

Ever since I learned about "Mary Rosh", I've wondered how many of the reviews of Mr. Lott's books are actually him. What if Mary Rosh was the only identity that was actually discovered, but he had others? In fact, I wonder if any of his defenders on FR are actually Lott himself.

I usually don't make light of others misfortunes, but Mr. Lott did get himself into this mess by his own intellectual dishonesty.

should i prepare for "flames"...?
36 posted on 08/05/2003 11:46:55 AM PDT by mansion
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To: pabianice
Guess which disclaimer just appeared on the site??

"This site is not run by John Lott, he has no affiliation with it. It is run by Mary Rosh. John Lott used Mary Rosh to support his books in internet forums, and put false claims in her mouth. Now Mary Rosh has created this site, to show John Lott that parody is a two-way street. You can find out more about her at WhoIsMaryRosh.com."

I'd say a bit too late to save this guy's tuchis...

37 posted on 08/05/2003 12:16:49 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
It's a pretty obvious fake. The real John Lott has spelling and grammar skills far beyond a high school education, while the fake sight would make one wonder if the author made it past the 5th grade.
38 posted on 08/05/2003 12:21:58 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: pabianice
What you get when you send a question to AskJohnLott:

"Hi,

"That was a great question. Thanks for taking the time to ask me. This email you`re receiving right now is automatic, just to let you know that I know you exist. I will reply to your email shortly. In the meantime, you can view some sample answers at http://www.AskJohnLott.org/answers.html

"This really means a lot to me. You may wonder why I`m taking the time to personally answer every email I receive. What`s in it for me?

"Well as you know, I`m very concerned with the general consciousness of gun owners in this fine country. I want to know the questions that are on your mind. Often I have found that I have the answers you don`t. And most likely, if this is a question on your mind, there are other people just like you with the same question.

"As gun owners, we come up against a lot of anti-gun rhetoric which can sometimes overwhelm us to the point of questioning our own beliefs. The anti-gun lobbyists have taken a new stance in pointing out many minor loopholes in our gun control laws, such as the fact that, even though licensed gun dealers must be approved and register with the federal government, in most states, anyone can be an unlicensed private seller of guns.

"A private seller has no obligation to conduct criminal background checks on buyers or keep transfer records for law enforcement?as long as he/she claims to be a hobbyist and is not engaged in the business of selling guns.

"Now, to you and me, this may be trivial. We all know a gun hobbyist - you may be one yourself - and we know that hobbyists are people who have complete respect for the power and initiative that a gun holds and represents. But when the anti-gun lobbyists point out that Timothy McVeigh sold guns at guns shows as a hobbyist, it suddenly appears that maybe we need to check our assumptions.

"Should our laws adopt to accommodate the minor anomolies like Timothy McVeigh? Should one rotten apple spoil the whole pie? These are the kinds of issues we as gun supporters must learn to deal with.

"Now that you`ve received this email, I consider you on the road to special elite group I call the `Ask John Lott Information Awareness Association.` If you have any more thoughts on the matter, I welcome your email to this exclusive email address: AJLIAA@AskJohnLott.org.

"Good luck.

"Ask John Lott"

39 posted on 08/05/2003 12:29:29 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Joe Brower
Lott made himself a public person and as such forfieted his right to freedom from satire.

He also made his own research suspect by using the Mary Rosh identity.

Now if we use his books at all in debate we have to add the asterix * that he is a goof.

It doesn't matter now how good his work is (and I think it is) because he has ruined it for himself and us.

I have no pity for the man. Let him fight his own rear guard action.

Buzz
40 posted on 08/05/2003 2:28:14 PM PDT by Buzzcook
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