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Are Episcopalians Still a Church? A Lutheran theologian/journalist examines Robinson confirmation
Christianity Today ^ | 8/7/03 | Uwe Siemon-Netto

Posted on 08/07/2003 5:49:25 PM PDT by rhema

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1 posted on 08/07/2003 5:49:26 PM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
Excellent.
2 posted on 08/07/2003 5:54:35 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
In fact I'm bookmarking it.
3 posted on 08/07/2003 5:55:03 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: rhema
I believe the word is...










Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.
4 posted on 08/07/2003 5:56:39 PM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: hellinahandcart
bump by:
5 posted on 08/07/2003 6:05:12 PM PDT by larryjohnson (ex_Lutheran PK)
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To: rhema
Didn't Bishop Spong start writing a sex column for a pornsite?
6 posted on 08/07/2003 6:10:04 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: rhema
This just in:

The House of Deputies just released the final vote in-favor
of "blessing" non-marital unions. Between clergy and lay, the vote read
58 yes, 38 no and 12 divided. This resolution now allows dioceses to
choose whether or not they desire to perform same-sex "blessings".
This has thrown the door open for the church to continue to persue
these types of legislation.

The AAC is extremely saddened by the road the Episcopal church
has continued to take. Our hearts break as this Church insists
on throwing out scripture and historic Christian faith. The Episcopal
Church has made it a point to be an "anything goes" denomination.

The Rev. Canon David Anderson stated, "The AAC is already moving
forward. Under the direction and guidence of worldwide Anglican
Primates, the AAC is now taking the necessary steps to insure that
American Anglicans will have a place to call home."

For Press Release: http://www.aplacetostand.org/dspnews.cfm?id=67

7 posted on 08/07/2003 6:13:38 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: hellinahandcart
For faithful Anglican congregations who feel they can no longer remain within the ECUSA an intense period of suffering is about to begin, which is why they need all the support they can get from like-minded people in other denominations. They will lose their sanctuaries—often very old ones—because the Episcopal Church will turn to secular courts, as it has done in such cases in the past, claiming some very valuable real estate.

I see someone else has noticed the confiscation of property as an increasingly obvious motive.

8 posted on 08/07/2003 6:28:25 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: rhema
Hope this comment is taken in the right spirit? Yeah, but the Homosexual is bishop. This guy is writing an article going Tsk! Tsk!
9 posted on 08/07/2003 6:33:46 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: rhema
What is a church? The Greek word ek-klesia defines it clearly: "called out" (of the masses)— by God, not libido. "Church" is not an assembly of the elect chic with the right to decide which political, sexual or other preference, or any fad for that matter, may be considered holy.

Just wanted to repeat this.

10 posted on 08/07/2003 6:40:52 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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11 posted on 08/07/2003 6:41:04 PM PDT by Bob J (Freerepublic.net...where it's always a happening....)
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To: rhema
Today, the Lutheran World Federation REJECTED a definition of marriage as between one man and one woman!

Oh well.

12 posted on 08/07/2003 6:42:09 PM PDT by realpatriot
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To: Green Knight
Very creative in making your point.
13 posted on 08/07/2003 6:50:02 PM PDT by bethelgrad (for God and country)
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To: rhema
"What is a church? The Greek word ek-klesia defines it clearly: "called out" (of the masses)— by God, not libido."

Bingo! The feel-good, politically correct, me-focused world of the left.
14 posted on 08/07/2003 6:57:35 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: rhema
This is the WHY of what is happening these days in Politics, the Church, the School. Find me anything below that has NOT occured or in the current "Things to do" list of the DNC and others.


Antonio Gramsci, 1891-1937
Focus on Freedom
C L Steplock

There is an old saying that begins something like this: THOSE THAT FORGET THE PAST ....

In 1919 an Italian socialist named Antonio Gramsci began to publish a newspaper in Milan called, L'Ordine Nuovo, or "The New Order." Loosely rendered, he concluded that the average person would never voluntarily reject the faith and culture of the West. He concluded that the best way to implement a collectivist government was to use an intellectual elite to destroy traditional values by attacking fundamental Jewish and Christian beliefs.

Antonio Gramsci, 1891-1937

...A. The New Order (L'Ordine Nuovo)

...B. Lenin was wrong, and the Leninist revolution will fail (USSR falters - Berlin Wall down)
......1. The workers will see the revolutionary government as a new boss
......2. When the revolution fails, the west will re-import Capitalism

...C. Gradual revolution through infiltration & subversion by revolutionaries
......1. Infiltrate the State: elective & appointed office; judgeships
......2. Infiltrate the military: enlist & subvert from within
......3. Infiltrate justice: undermine and discredit state constitutions
......4. Infiltrate education: professors & administrators
......5. Infiltrate & discredit religion: scoundrels as clergymen
......6. Register, then license, then confiscate all privately held weapons

...D. Form or infiltrate international organizations to promote goals such as "global understanding," "economic development," "transfer of resources"

...E. Both Capitalism and Judaeo-Christian culture must be destroyed before a Communist revolution can succeed
......1. Religious sentiment cannot be destroyed through legislation, as Lenin believed, but must be redirected from the divine to the state
.........a. Terror will only drive Religion underground
.........b. Religion will then reemerge when Leninism fails
.........c. So Religion must be destroyed in the minds of men
......2. Infiltrate religious academies and become priests and clergymen
.........a. Subtly promote heresy within religious organizations
.........b. Infiltrators must act so as to discredit the church
............(1) Cause financial and sexual scandals
............(2) See that this is given a high profile in the news
............(3) Like-minded infiltrators in the media will cooperate
......3. Once religion is discredited from within, continuously promote the idea that only the state can solve the problems that have been traditionally brought before the church

...F. When propagating revolutionary ideas, cloak them in polite terms
......1. National Consensus
......2. Popular Mandate
......3. National Pacification
......4. Pluralism
......5. Global Community
......6. Economic Justice
......7. Economic Democracy
......8. Liberation Theology
......9. Direct Action

...G. Marxists "must enter into every civil, cultural, and political activity in every nation, leavening them as yeast leavens bread."

Gramsci-(original Italian) = Gramschi = Gramski-(sp prefered by communists)


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15 posted on 08/07/2003 6:58:26 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: rhema
Look for the gubmit to soon require church attendance in order to get your tax refund or get certain deductions. The SCOTUS will uphold it. They'll do anything for the queers!
16 posted on 08/07/2003 7:02:47 PM PDT by Waco
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To: steplock; hellinahandcart; rhema; bonfire; Miss Marple
Other Anglican Churches and Organizations

(many conservative)

The Anglican Catholic Church
The Anglican Catholic Church of Canada
The Anglican Church in America
Anglican Communion
Anglicans Online
Anglican Province of America
Anglican Province of Christ the King
American Anglican Council
The Anglican Mission in America
The Charismatic Episcopal Church
Lambeth Conference
Old Catholic Church of America
Order of St. Vincent
The Prayer Book Society (Ecusa)
Reformed Episcopal Church
The Traditional Anglican Communion
The Conference on Anglican Unity
Sodality of the Most Holy Rosary
Traditional Anglican Documents
Episcopal Missionary Church
Episcopal Orthodox Church
United Episcopal Church of North America


The group leading the charge against the gay movement in the Episcopal Church is Episcopal Shield

17 posted on 08/07/2003 7:07:19 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Welcome to the #1 discussion board dedicated to the sustenance of a free republic.)
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To: realpatriot
Today, the Lutheran World Federation REJECTED a definition of marriage as between one man and one woman!

Wow --- it's really getting weird!

18 posted on 08/07/2003 7:07:23 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: rhema
Did anyone ask GOD what he thought about this situation?

It seems to me since he is the true head of all churches maybe this would be a real good idea. Don't ya Think!

I told him today when I said my prayers and he actually said he finds it hard to believe that one of his churches filled with the faithful trying to get to heaven would sanctify a "Queer" <sorry got not speaking PC here< but, would someone please call him and let him know I'm not lying? Just tell him me name is CHA CHA CHA. He'll know who your talkng about.

19 posted on 08/07/2003 7:22:45 PM PDT by chachacha
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To: Green Knight
No correction. Not only right, but couldn't be better expressed! LOL!
20 posted on 08/07/2003 7:24:23 PM PDT by livius
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