Bush May Consider Schwarzenegger Support

The Guardian ^ | Aug. 8, 2003 | SCOTT LINDLAW , Associated Press

[vbmoneyspender]

If you vote against the recall that is the same as if you are voting for Davis. In fact, that is a vote for Davis. Simply put, if Davis wins the recall election, that outcome will be interpreted by Davis and every other Democratic politician in this state that the Democrats can continue to do things that brought on the recall election (i.e. taxing and spending as if they are in socialist heaven) and there will be literally no punishment meted out by the voters for such irresponsible behaviour. On the other hand, if Davis is recalled, then that outcome will send a powerful message to all Democratic politicians that they can't just continue doing what they've been doing. Even if Davis is replaced by another Democrat, that is still a worthwhile message to send to the Democrats in Sacramento.

[FairOpinion]

Sorry. I always diligently search, but didn't see it.

The other day I was trying to find something I knew was there, because I posted it, but didn't remember the exact title and couldn't find it.

[Southack]

"I still do not see the long term upside to a short term Republican Gov."

There's upside and there's downside to it.

On the upside, you get a Republican who can use the line item veto on California's bloated budget, can single-handedly repeal the tripling of CA's car tax, and can appoint a Republican Senator if Boxer or Feinstein fail to complete their terms, among other things.

California is also the Dems' last political prize. They've already lost the governorships of New York, Texas, Florida, and Georgia. they've already lost the House and the Senate. They've already lost the Presidency, too.

Each year they lose more and more of their power. Each year it gets harder and harder for them to raise campaign money.

So let's take their last prize and then kick them when they're down.

What's the upside to letting them win in California, after all?!

[Michael.SF.]

Then you don't know anywhere as much about things political, as you assume you do.

Well, since you are so much smarter then I, please explain how a Republican, elected with a 20-25% plurality, will assure the Republicans of success in the next official gubernatorial election?

Further, please elaborate on how that might also help Republicans to gain additional seats in the state legislature, which has been controlled by the dems for ages?

After you have answered the above, please enlighten us on how an artificial, celebrity status enhanced RINO, is going to benefit the long-term conservative cause?

My take is this:

The best chance for long term Republican success is to let the dems hang themsleves. Right now Davis is about to do just that, but only if he stays in office.

[vbmoneyspender]

Well, since you are so much smarter then I, please explain how a Republican, elected with a 20-25% plurality, will assure the Republicans of success in the next official gubernatorial election?

The governor of California has the line-item veto power. That means that without any Democratic support, a Republican governor can cut the budget without having to raise taxes. If the Republican governor we elect is willing to do that, that would turn this state's business environment around and make things better off for every Californian Maybe, Californians wouldn't reward the Republican party for such a success, but I am betting they would.

[Michael.SF.]

A Republican governor can start to turn the tide,

Even a RINO, elected with a 25% plurality?

If ARHHHNold, does not turn things around in the short time he has, we are virtually guaranteeing a Gov. Sanchez or Bustamonte in 2006.

I contend that we let Davis hang now and we get a 51% Gov. in 2006, a real Governor, not a PR joke like ARHHHHHNOLDDD.

[KQQL]

Giuliani is a Great Rino.......

Not all Rinos are bad......... ( few are o.k ) .

[FairOpinion]

"A Republican governor can start to turn the tide,"

"Even a RINO, elected with a 25% plurality?"

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A resounding YES!

As for letting Davis "hang" -- was one option, before the recall took on a life of its own, but now that there IS a recall, if Davis survives, that will strengthen the Dem party significantly.

[Michael.SF.]

The governor of California has the line-item veto power.

Good point! You will recall that this was also part of Newts Agenda back in '94. The R's were willing to concede tremendous power to Clinton, to make this useful tool a national policy.

As for California though, do you really think that a short term Republican Gov. is going to cure our problems with the line item veto?

I do not believe he can in the short time frame allowed by this recall. Thus I contend our best interest is served by looking towards the election in 2006.

[eccl1212]

Schwarzenegger met in April with Karl Rove, President Bush's top political adviser.

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that speaks volumes as to what was known, by whom and when it was known.

California will elect Arnold. Arnold will have a miraculous financial recovery. Bush will carry California and the rest of the nation in a landslide that is unheard of in our lifetime.

Republicans will be swept to power, and we will get SOME conservatives ensconsced in positions that will last forty years or more...

I am no so sure we will do a lot of budget cutting however, or program cutting. It may just be our turn to drive the socialist boat we have created.

Then again, we might start to cut business regulations and change the income tax and capitol gains... and create social security accounts... and end the worlds hunger... then again...

[FairOpinion]

"I contend that we let Davis hang now and we get a 51% Gov. in 2006, "

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And what makes you think we would win? Davis would not be running in 2006, it would be a fresh Dem face. And if Republicans couldn't produce a candidate in 2004 to even beat beleagured, universally hated Davis, what makes you think they have a prayer of a chance in 2006?

--- UNLESS we elect Arnold now and he will get re-elected in 2006.

[Michael.SF.]

if Davis survives, that will strengthen the Dem party significantly.

Only if he changes his colors and starts behaving as a Conservative. I am willing to bet that a Zebra will not change it's stripes in two short years.

[eccl1212]

spot on... it's the other way around.

Bush could conceivably carry california, the demos strong hold, with arnold in there... and I suspect he will.

[nopardons]

The governor, of any state, no matter which party affiliation,is the titular head of that state. In presidential elections, he has power to sway the populace. He also has more than a little power, to influence, for good or ill, local elections for state offices. This is a given.

Is Arnold a Republican ? Yes, he is. Is he a Conservative ? No, he certainly is not. What he is,is famous. This is only important, in that so many people are stupid, fawn over " celebrity ", and yes, WILL vote for him for shallow/stupid reason, AND he will take votes, that otherwise would go to a Dem on this extended ballot. In pulling the lever, for a stated Republican, will probably be a first, for many who will vote for him; his wife included.

A run of the mill GOPer and especially a Conservative one, in a field of many, hasn't a chance to win, in California. Nor, given the outside chance ( and it would certainly be quite the looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong shot ) of one winning, he would have almost NO ability, given the makeup of the state legislature, of doing a single thing to right the mess. Does Arnold have a chance to remake that legislature and dig Cal. out of some of the mess ? Yes, I think he can. Why ? FOR THE EXACT REASONS YOU DEPLORE HIM !

Your wishful thinking scenario doesn't work. DAVIS WAS RE-ELECTED; RE-ELECTED WITH THE MESS HE MADE Just as the populace will not rise up and take arms/engage in a bloody civil war, should Hitlery! ever be eleceted president ( GOD forbid that ever happening ! ), the populace, of Cal. has NOT ousted Davis, in an election cycle and had there never been a recall movement, NOTHING would have happened to oust him.

Politics is a game of the possible. It isn't ever the fulfillment of dreams/yearnings, that only a few share. It isn't even ever the fulfillment of the dreams/yearning that most share. Neither is it EVER ( abscent a benevolent despot )going to be an IMMEDIATE fulfillment of what some group/s want right this minute.

[Michael.SF.]

UNLESS we elect Arnold now and he will get re-elected in 2006.

I do hope you realise, what a sad reflection it is on the Republican party, that our best chance of success in California lies in Arnold Schwarzeneggar and not in a well educated, erudite professional, who is able to clearly elucidate on why California has sunk into the hell hole that the Dems have pulled us into.

Are things so bad for Republicans that we have to rely on a Hollywood PR campaign to win?

Heaven help us.

Schwarzeneggar is a joke and an embarassment to Conservativism, not a legitimate candidate.

[Southack]

c#23

[FairOpinion]

Here is an excellent Reagan quote by "justshe " on another thread. I think "conservatives" should learn from it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/960231/posts#47


~~ Ronald Reagan, in his autobiography, An American Life

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"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it.
"Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'

"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.

[nopardons]

The GOP is NOT just for " Conservatives ". Arnold has never claimed to be a Conservative.

For some, here, just about NO ONE, is " Conservative " enough to suit.

[vbmoneyspender]

If whoever is elected governor uses the line-item veto, he can immediately eliminate the deficit spending in his first year of office. As far as there being a risk for a Republican who gets elected, I know of very few things that are risk free. And besides, it is never a good idea to try and lose. You do that a couple of times and it starts to become a habit. When you play, you play to win and you never give up.

[FairOpinion]

Arnold has a business degree and is a successful businessman.