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Big bucks, tiny apartments (For the right price, you can own your own closet, er, studio co-op)
New York Daily news ^ | 8/3/03 | Tracy Connor

Posted on 08/09/2003 8:34:06 PM PDT by lowbridge

Big bucks, tiny apartments
By TRACY CONNOR
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Saturday, August 2nd, 2003

The real-estate ad warned, "Think Treehouse or Cruise Ship Cabin," but the size of the apartment - 160 square feet - still looked like a misprint.

It wasn't.

Barely twice the size of a Death Row prison cell, the itty-bitty studio on Perry St. in the West Village just might be the smallest co-op for sale in Manhattan.

It has a twin bed built into the wall, with a cubbyhole at the foot for a small television, a speck of a kitchenette and room left over for a chair.

It also has a buyer.

Even with a price tag of $135,000, it didn't take long for the Corcoran Group to find someone who would skimp big time on space for a prime spot.

"There were people who looked at it and said, 'Next!'" said broker Luke Evans. "But the building is the epitome of location, location location."

All across Manhattan, home hunters otherwise priced out of the market are snapping up apartments that would fit inside the master-suite closet at Trump World Tower.

- An E. 30th St. studio with a 16-by-10-foot living area and a small separate kitchen recently went for $165,000.

- A 250-square-foot apartment on Lexington Ave., a half-block from Gramercy Park, is going for $167,500.

- A 240-square-foot second-floor walkup on W. 10th St. is generating interest at $179,900.

Alex Gray, 23, paid $130,000 for a 220-square-foot Chelsea studio. He thinks he got a great deal but admitted it's a tight squeeze.

"My television is in the fireplace!" he said.

Corcoran Chief Executive Pam Liebman said these mini studios are good investments because they're cheaper than renting and likely will go up in value.

"Yes, you sleep in the same room you work in and entertain in, and you tend not to have many guests unless they're very skinny or very close to you," she added. "But it's owning a piece of Manhattan."

Sick of commuting

That's exactly how Lisa Iapicco, a 41-year-old human resources worker, saw it.

After 15 years of commuting from New Jersey, she moved to the city, renting a one-bedroom on the upper East Side for $1,800 a month, then subletting a West Side studio.

When she started looking to buy, Bellmarc broker Robert Snaider showed her a fifth-floor unit in a doorman elevator building on E. 77th St.

It had an 11-by-17 main room, including a Pullman kitchenette, and the bathroom was a decent 5 by 7 feet.

Iapicco got it for $136,500. Between the $774 mortgage and maintenance of $383, her monthly outlay is less than $1,200.

She's building a Murphy bed unit to double as a desk and closet, and installing an 18-inch dishwasher and half-stove. And she chucked out her size-6 clothes that no longer fit.

"I can deal with this until I can afford my dream apartment in New York City," she said.

Pricey condos

In the other boroughs, $150,000 will buy a nice-size one-bedroom, but in Manhattan, the average price for a studio is more than $250,000.

Anything substantially cheaper starts to look like a bargain, especially with low interest rates and the real-estate market on the rebound.

Apartment sales plummeted after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attack. But in the most recent quarter of 2003, prices shot up 11% and the bargain-conscious want to buy before they go any higher, experts said.

Broker Vince Gabrielly said that after slashing the price of the W. 10th St. walkup by $5,000, he's close to selling the Lilliputian property.

The building is a little shabby, and it's within spitting distance of the West Side Highway. There's just about enough room for a full-size bed, a desk and a comfy chair — but it has a big closet, a bathtub and 10-foot ceilings.

"There is nothing in the Village proper that's decent that's under $200,000," Gabrielly said. "So this is good for a student, a first-time buyer or a pied-a-terre."

It's not for everyone, though.

Sandor Polster, a Maine journalism professor looking for a crash pad in Manhattan, rejected a bunch of hideaways before finding a 350-square-foot place on the West Side.

He remembers one he saw on W. 92nd St. that was around 260 square feet and was going for $95,000. When he got inside, he realized why.

"It had a bathroom that I joked was smaller than an airplane bathroom, with a folding door and a shower stall that you couldn't turn around in," he said.

But Liebman called these mini studios "hidden treasures."

In Tudor City Place, there are plenty of pocket-size apartments, and their owners get the same amenities — the Art Deco lobby, doorman and East River views - as the guy who shelled out $1 million for his three-bedroom.

"On Perry St., you can buy an apartment in the Richard Meier building for $18 million or you can buy a 160-square-foot studio for $135,000," Liebman said. "And that's New York for you."

140 W. 69th St.

Square feet: 250

Price: $139,000

Maintenance: $505 a month

The kitchen is a refrigerator, stove and sink sandwiched into the hallway, the "full bath" has only a shower, and it takes just four steps to cross the main room.

Its other selling points?

It's in the back of the building; the ninth-floor "view" is a sliver of the cityscape, and a loft bed dominates the space.

"It needs renovation," Corcoran broker Daniella Schlisser admitted. "And it does not show well."

But this smidgen of a studio in a doorman building near Lincoln Center sold anyway.

When Schlisser put it out at $169,000, she got no takers, but when the price went down to $139,000, "there was a lot of interest."

The buyer is a woman who wants it for her daughter, who will be a freshman at a nearby college starting in September.

"The mother is a cabinet designer, so she was able to see past what's there and envision what it could look like," Schlisser said.

113½ W. 15th St.

Square feet: 220

Price: $130,000

Maintenance: $433 a month

When Alex Gray tells people about the Chelsea studio he bought in May, they think he's lying.

It's not the dimensions of the apartment they don't believe - it's the price tag. At $130,000, the quaint co-op was the cheapest thing below 34th St. when it went on the market, and that was enough to get Gray to think small.

The ad agency worker, a transplant from Los Angeles, traded in a big one-bedroom rental for his new place. It required some adjustment — like eliminating clutter.

"It was sort of a Zen-like cleansing experience," he said. "Things were a little claustrophobic at first. It's just a matter of keeping things away.

He bought a futon that serves as sofa and bed, and when he needs to stretch out, there's always the shared garden in the back.

Jim Strain, the Citi Habitats broker, said that despite its size, selling the place was a cinch.

"It went in the first showing," he said. "I didn't even have an open house. My cell phone was ringing continuously."

_________________________

Alex Gray in his Chelsea studio apartment.

Realtor Vince Gabrielly stands in a 250 square foot apartment that is selling for $180,000.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: New York
KEYWORDS: apartments; housing; newyork; ny
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To: lowbridge
Well, at least one can't become a pack rat! There's something to be said for THAT!
21 posted on 08/09/2003 10:51:29 PM PDT by CarmelValleyite
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To: TheMole
They may as well forget about owning something and just stay in a hotel...
22 posted on 08/09/2003 10:53:08 PM PDT by CarmelValleyite
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To: lowbridge
Plenty of bargains to be had here in Bay Ridge (Brooklyn), if you can stand an hour commute by subway. Just be careful where in the neighborhood you choose to live or you may be surrounded by the American chapter of Hezbollah and their "gangsta" children (and the A-rabs have a TON of these).

BTW: Rent Stabilized here. I am against rent control/stabilization, but just hope they wait until I leave school to abolish it.

23 posted on 08/09/2003 10:58:46 PM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Clemenza
Rent Stabilized here.

How hard or easy was it getting a rent stabilized apartment? Was there a long waiting list, etc.?

24 posted on 08/09/2003 11:26:08 PM PDT by lowbridge (You are the audience. I am the author. I outrank you! -Franz Liebkind, The Producers)
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To: brianl703
Even an attached single-family home (townhouse) doesn't require $500 maintenance fees, negotiations with building managers or co-owners if it's not a condo (most around here are not).

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Here's the data directly from the real estate listings in the story itself:

140 W. 69th St.
Square feet: 250
Price: $139,000
Maintenance: $505 a month

113½ W. 15th St.
Square feet: 220
Price: $130,000
Maintenance: $433 a month

Whether or not the buildings are structured as condominiums, these are non-negotiable fees that are not part of the mortgage and must be paid.

25 posted on 08/10/2003 12:19:39 AM PDT by TheMole
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To: AnnaZ; HangFire
bump
26 posted on 08/10/2003 12:53:59 AM PDT by lowbridge (You are the audience. I am the author. I outrank you! -Franz Liebkind, The Producers)
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To: lowbridge
Whew. Nice to see something that actually makes Oahu prices look good. Why would anyone live in Manhattan when they could live here?
27 posted on 08/10/2003 12:59:26 AM PDT by Spyder (Just another day in Paradise)
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To: TheMole
And the property tax IS included in the maintainence. At least that's the way it was, when I owned an apartment in Manhattan.
28 posted on 08/10/2003 1:09:46 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Spyder
Why would anyone live in Manhattan when they could live here?

No volcanoes? (Just a weird guess. ;-))

29 posted on 08/10/2003 1:57:19 AM PDT by lowbridge (You are the audience. I am the author. I outrank you! -Franz Liebkind, The Producers)
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To: TheMole
Coops are an only-in-NYC phenomenon, and many people don't understand the financial structure.

The maintenance fee includes property taxes, building expenses, and paying the building mortgage. Property taxes are usually not too bad in the city. On these tiny studios, they should be less than $100/month.

The big costs are the building mortgage and salaries, particularly in a doorman building. It costs about $200,000 a year for four shifts of doormen. This is not too bad if there are 300 apartments in the building, but it's a big expense for smaller buildings. You also need a live-in super and a staff of from 2 to 20, depending on the building size.

The building mortgage can be large, especially if the sponser cashed out in a big way.

I bought my studio, 440 square feet, in 1985 for $75,000. It turned out to be a good deal, but there was a time when it was unsalable.

The guy who posted about rent stabilization is right. The market for these apartments would collapse if rent stabilitization were eliminated. But that is not going to happen, short of a revoluation.
30 posted on 08/10/2003 5:30:47 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user
humbly disagree. The population pressure + developer $ -> political presure; the disconnect btwn Republican free-market rhetoric elsewhere and the reality in NYC becomes untenable; eventually the system gives way. I give it no more than another 10 yrs -- though that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.

Funny about that poster who wanted stabilization abolished, but not til after they were done playing w/it. Easy to have political beliefs that you don't have to pay the freight for...
31 posted on 08/10/2003 6:13:33 AM PDT by teech (You can read this: thank your teachers. You're FREE to read this: thank our Veterans.)
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To: All
First Freeper National Housing Cost Survey. Please put only the following information.
State ----- City or Town ----- Square Ft. ----- Approx. Price



An interesting exercise we might also consider doing this for are things such as gasoline, diesel fuel, one dozen eggs, a loaf of bread, one gallon of milk, etc.
32 posted on 08/10/2003 6:21:07 AM PDT by pyx
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To: Noumenon
Got a family from the Bay Area "next door" in the New Mexico East Mountains. They're trying to sell right now, and we have'nt had a real winter in three years.

Live in 180 square feet? My greenhouse is bigger than that. I better go tell my fig trees and melons they've got it better than folks in NYC. :)

33 posted on 08/10/2003 6:22:18 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Official New Mexican Disruptor of the Lone Star Chat Thread)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
This whole mess, here in NYC, is the perfect storm of illegals, liberals, socialism, and almost every other social and economic ill you can imagine.
34 posted on 08/10/2003 6:29:11 AM PDT by chris1
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To: lowbridge
When I was single, I could live in an apartment like that. All I need is a laptop, a stereo and books to read and I'm happy. Laptop and stereo doesn't require much space and I could always get books at the library to read (if there isn't room for bookshelves). Being New York City, what would one need a kitchen for? When you are surrounded by at least 10,000 restaurants/delis within walking distance and can get a corned beef sandwich at 2 in the morning, you've got it made, foodwise.
35 posted on 08/10/2003 6:33:55 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp! 232.4 (-67.6))
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To: SamAdams76
NYC is like a big chicken farm where all the chickens have lost their heads. Everyone running around with really no direction and bouncing into each other. The coop situation, and the real estate market, are simply bezerk. Even in Brookyln and in the Bronx prices have skyrocketed.
36 posted on 08/10/2003 6:36:52 AM PDT by chris1
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To: chris1
This whole mess, here in NYC, is the perfect storm of illegals, liberals, socialism, and almost every other social and economic ill you can imagine.

And I don't think it's going to change any time soon.

37 posted on 08/10/2003 6:37:35 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Official New Mexican Disruptor of the Lone Star Chat Thread)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
The NY area, NYC and the surrounding areas is really becomming more like South America every day, tons of poor people (who generally are hard working people) and the elite who live behind big gates and security fences. The "middle class" is shrinking because most sane middle class people, like myself, are either leaving, or contemplating leaving as soon as possible.
38 posted on 08/10/2003 6:42:56 AM PDT by chris1
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To: All
2.5 acres, 3 bedroom, 2 bath ranch for $84K (slowly being remodeled but in nice structural condition for 25 years old)--that's our spread. My parents bought 57 acres in Indiana for $18K back in 1987 and put a house on it that last appraised for 250K. Now that Indianapolis has expanded, they would be rich if they sold off some of that land!

I guess I have gotten a little spoiled not having a neighbor sitting on top of me, but I will never do it again. Can't understand why my sil paid over 110K for a house on the smallest lot possible with her neighbors breathing down her neck. Her parents are getting away from it as well--down to s. Indiana from Chicago area to build a log cabin home on almost 15 acres--they can't wait!
39 posted on 08/10/2003 6:49:14 AM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2
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To: StatesEnemy
No doubt--I bought a 3-bedroom house for $35k.
40 posted on 08/10/2003 8:49:41 AM PDT by Indrid Cold
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