MEASURABLE 14C IN FOSSILIZED ORGANIC MATERIALS: CONFIRMING THE YOUNG EARTH CREATION-FLOOD MODEL

http://www.icr.org/research/icc03/pdf/RATE_ICC_Baumgardner.pdf ^

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PDF file.

[Publius6961]

Wish I hadn't promised myself never to visit any creationist vs evolution thread ever again.

Then I could quip that any idiot who doesn't even know the difference between C14 and 14C (it's hard, but I'm resisting the temptation) has no business posting anything on any subject.

[Terriergal]

If I steal your wallet, will you be unable to prove it's theft unless you can tell me where each bill was minted?

To anyone else, I can prove it was stolen only when I show them YOU have it. I cannot prove each bill was mine beforehand. What does that have to do with this discussion? It's you guys who insist we show you where each bill was minted. We're just showing you that you can't do it either, even MORE so, and yet we're the ones who are labeled unscientific.

[Right Wing Professor]

The Hebrew language did not have a word for "sphere."

I'm surprised. Fortunately, I know someone who can illuminate this question.

[ALS]

[Terriergal]

If you think they "always back out" at that point, you're simply not paying attention, or are mistaking your preconceptions about them for reality.

Maybe we leave because we get tired of all the namecalling.

[Terriergal]

So people who religiously apply sunscreen, or live exclusively indoors, can be expected to live 900 years?

Nope. It doesn't work even a fraction as well. The protective canopy as well as the nutritive qualities it gave to the plants we would have eaten then, are gone.

Said canopy would have also increased atmospheric pressure. I hear that hyperbaric chambers can speed bodily healing.

[Right Wing Professor]

From such a learned man I am surprised you haven't read the evolutionist Michael Behe's book.

I've read some of it. Behe, as I understand it, can't make up his mind what he is. Very different conditions huh? Like a primordial sea with electrical charges zapping the surface every so often? Yeah I can see how that might create a protein strand or two.

That's a rather 1950's view of abiogenesis, and it's doubtful proteins came first.

How did love, consciousness, personality, intellect, imagination, creativity, morality, a thirst for the imaginary God, arise from essentially, a rock?

No, not essentially 'a rock'.

[ALS]

a boy and a girl rock then?

[Terriergal]

I'm not sure what this means. So in the tropics, it's hot and very human, people would be expected to grow very large. Like the pygmies, say?

Are you suggesting we try and set up a protective canopy over the earth so we can study the effects? Where shall we accurately duplicate such conditions?

In a greenhouse, partially. But you'd be leaving out a lot of factors that we cannot duplicate. Yeah plants tend to grow quite well in those greenhouses...

Things also have adapted to cope with conditions we have now, so it may take a while to get results. Yes, creationists *do* believe in adaptation and some amount of 'microevolution.'

[savedbygrace]

The Bible also alludes to man existing prior to Adam.

Sounds like you disbelieve Jesus, who called Adam the first man.

He was annhilated catastrophically and left no living progeny,

That would mean death came before the Curse, which also contradicts the words of Jesus.

[Terriergal]

Nothing we currently know of nuclear physics allows a significant change in the 14C decay rate

I'm thinking that it had to do with the amount of carbon that would be present in the atmosphere when under a canopy of ice.

[Right Wing Professor]

So people who religiously apply sunscreen, or live exclusively indoors, can be expected to live 900 years?

Nope. It doesn't work even a fraction as well.

You have it backwards. Water and ice don't absorb ultraviolet radiation at all, except in the 'vacuum UV' region where oxygen and nitrogen block it as well. On the other hand, your SPF 45 absorbs virtually all of it.

Said canopy would have also increased atmospheric pressure.

How did it stay up there?

[f.Christian]

plankton iq cretin placemaker !

[Terriergal]

How do ice crystals normally stay up there?

[longshadow]

"low signal-to-noise ratio Tractionless Troll-a-rama" placemaker

[Terriergal]

OH I see what you're saying. If you had a solid canopy of ice, with full integrity, it would function as a bubble would it not? Until something like, say an asteroid, compromised it.

[Terriergal]

lol

[Right Wing Professor]

They don't stay up there, much. Water vapor is transported up there by convection, mostly, and it condenses to ice. Ice clouds are generally pretty thin (they're what creates sundogs); Clouds at very high altitudes are rare.

[Right Wing Professor]

If you had a solid canopy of ice, with full integrity, it would function as a bubble would it not

I don't think it would have the tensile strength to hold together.

[ThinkPlease]

I don't think it would have the tensile strength to hold together.

Don't forget tidal effects from the moon and sun.