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To: justshutupandtakeit
I agree given the fact the recall is happening that Arnold is the only canidate who can force the legislature not to stonewall him.

However that doesn't negate the fact that this whole thing is not a good thing in the BIGGER PICTURE of republicanism. Relying on "democracy" or mob rule to subjugate legitimate elections is never a good thing... all this is doing is setting up precidence for perpetual sour grapes by the losing side of every election that can capitalize on it.

The only reason there isn't an R in the governorship now is because of the R's putting a foolish canidate up last election... the only person on the planet who couldn't beat davis, and by God the California Republican's found him... You don't change leadership based on mob urges.. the Greeks taught the world this lesson ages ago! We are either a republic and ruled by the rule of law, or we are a democracy and ruled by the mob!

Not one founding father ever called this nation a democracy, they knowingly created a republic for a reason, and I don't honestly see this recall bringing out anything good in the greater scheme of american politics (and no I'm not talking about the 2004 election as being a greater scheme, because that's not, thats just current affairs, I am talking in the long term future of our nation, which one election cycle is not.)
47 posted on 08/11/2003 1:19:48 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Recall is the rule of Law. It may be a dumb law but still the law.

Let's see if there are any imitators in other states. I don't think so.

California's case is not an example of mob rule but of people getting fed up with a bunch of lying RATS. They are exercising their rights under their state law. I am a great devotee of Hamilton but do not see this as mob rule nor would he. Excessive democracy maybe mob rule? No. This was not Shay's rebellion but lawful petitioning and abiding by state law.

This is a VERY rare event.
52 posted on 08/11/2003 1:30:20 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: HamiltonJay
The only reason there isn't an R in the governorship now is because of the R's putting a foolish canidate up last election... the only person on the planet who couldn't beat davis, and by God the California Republican's found him..

You are grossly underestimating Davis' abilities as a candidate to trash and burn his opponent. He has NEVER been elected because people liked him or thought he was best for the job. He is elected because he is able consistently to paint his opponent as the Devil personified. Also, he wields enormous influence among opinion makers, and the media here act as cheerleaders for all things liberal.

IMHO, the worst part of the recall is that the media who were complicit with Davis in covering up the severity of the budget crisis and in painting Simon as a corrupt, "silver-spoon" rich kid are now benefiting from the boost in ratings from the recall coverage. The media have helped destroy the state, and it is too bad there is not a way to hold them accountable.

53 posted on 08/11/2003 1:38:10 PM PDT by djreece
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To: HamiltonJay
Davis would have beaten Riordan, who had major, major, personality problems. Riordan thought we should all be so grateful that he was Mr. Wonderful. He had so little control of his temper that he could be goaded into erupting on camera. Riordan was basically undisciplined as a candidate, as well as being a pompous fool.
89 posted on 08/11/2003 3:56:11 PM PDT by Thud
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