Time For Howie To Fess Up – Is Dean An Abortionist?

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[onyx]

Excellent (again) Liz. I knew you would come through!

[JohnGalt]

Neither does Dean; he supported a civil unions crapola bill but does not support gay marriage; in that respect he is only slightly to the Left of Bush-- to Bush's discredit...he is a wish-washy play both sides standard politician and apparently well schooled.

[gridlock]

I can hardly wait for Dean to say that he will neither confirm nor deny performing abortion out of respect for the privacy of his patients, after repeatly and publicly discussing the case of a 12-year-old pregnant girl and making spurious public accusations of incest. Some right to privacy this poor little girl had...

[Liz]

Assuming he gets the nod, the question should be asked during the debates when he tries to pin down Bush on abortton. It should be a very enlightening moment.

[DPB101]

I would like to believe this would exclude Dean from the nomination but after Clinton I'm convinced the base of the Democrat party will see this as a plus.

[johnqueuepublic]

Dean is on record as NOT having reported it, he made the speech to naral and lied when he said he thought the father was guilty when he knew someone else had already been convicted.

Not sure what PP's position on reporting is, but considering they are willing to abort, on deman for $$$s I dont care what the heck they say.

[onyx]

Yes, DPB, it's a plus for him with his lefties, but it won't play well at all in the general election, provided we're lucky enough to have mean-Dean oppose POTUS!

[johnqueuepublic]

Souter wasnt running for president, it is pubbie policy, as opposed to democrat policy not to use the abortion issue as a litmus test, i dont agree with that perspective but that is what it was at the time.

And I dont see how bringing up Souter bears at all on Dean, you stillhavent offered one position that he is moderate on.

[johnqueuepublic]

fiddle faddle...you cant defend your statement...

[JohnGalt]

You are not making any sense.

If it is your claim that Dean will be unable to cast himself as a moderate, fine. I disagree. I believe he will be able to cast himself as a moderate.

I don't think he is a moderate; I don't think George W is a moderate. I think they are both statists who believe in big government only one wants to invade Iraq and the other wants to invade Kosovo. One wants 'free' prescription drugs the other wants 'surgeries.'

They are both the same which is why I don't believe this is a good tactic.

[DPB101]

Know the polling stats on parential notification? I can't see how anyone in their right mind would oppose it.

(on economic grounds if nothing else, parents pay the bill if something goes wrong)

[Liz]

There is a national movement to hold certain Planned Parenthood abortion clinic employees criminally liable if they fail to report incidences of sex crimes against children who come to them for abortions. Does Dr Dean support this legislation?

[onyx]

RE: #51 --- exactly!

[johnqueuepublic]

John

You know it never ceases to amaze me that on these boards, people like yourself try to say what they said was not what they said when the text is staring everyone right in the face.

"I think the press and the establishment are the ones trying to make him look like an extremist when he is simply a rather bland New York transplant centrist"

You claimed he is a bland new york centrist.

in my parlance centrist meand moderate

Its not that I am not making sense you said something clearly unsupportable from a factual basis.

Now how Dean is going to out right Bush on immigration I dont know, all I know is that Bush is already to the right of Reagan (the greatest president in 100 years) on the immigration issue, since Reagan (in possibly his only policy error) granted amnesty for millions of illegals.

[johnqueuepublic]

My guess would be that Dean cant support the legislation because he would gain the enmity of the gals from NAG.

[JohnGalt]

A centrist is still a radical position compared to the conservative world view-- I was attempting to engage in a conversation on a political tactic, but you seemed to want to have an ideological purity contest as to what I believe.


That was amateur hour stuff. Your inability to see the difference between what one believes versus what a politician is relative to the culture does not become a dispassionate approach to such things.

Reagan actually reduced regulation, promoted federalism and had a tax cut that out paced the rate of inflation unlike the current President. The view of this President remains to be seen.

[johnqueuepublic]

Spare me the sophistry, I merely challenged your still unsubstantiated claim that Dean was a moderate/centrist.

I mentioned Reagan and immigration, which you alluded to, since Bush will not grant any similar amnesty in this environment, he is to the right of Ronaldo Maximus on that issue.

[JohnGalt]

There is no such thing as a 'moderate or centrist' in the current climate, just the ability to appear as one. Dean can do this because nothing he did is that out of line with the general consensus of the Democratic Party.

[JohnGalt]

http://www.amconmag.com/07_28_03/feature.html

[johnqueuepublic]

I might be wrong but isnt Amcon a libertarian mag??

I will agree that you can look at polical labels as purely relative, but that doesnt yield much analytically.

If it did, then in the USSR in lets say 1939 everyone not a disciple of Trotsky was a right winger.

See what I mean?

Dean is no moderate, and you know it, he is not moderate either in comparrison to his dem rivals or the pubbies, he is more radical in many ways that McGovern who is his clear ideological father.

I know I come off as a pompous ass once in a while, but I have given this a lot of thought and dont see any mistakes in my logic.