White without Apology

TooGoodReports ^ | 08/13/03 | Bernard Chapin

[abner]

Best article I've seen in a long, long time...

[mattdono]

I may have to print this article out and just hand it to some of the idiots that I have debated about this issue.

By the way, I am finding the easiest way to pick a debate with a douche-bag liberal is to walk into any coffee shop with a shirt that says, "I love Bush". Most everyone that hangs out at these places seems to be a psuedo-intellectual Marxist piece of crap. Very easy to debate and conquer. Handing them this article when they talk about "oppression" might be some additional ammo. Of course, when handing them this article, it would be best to add, "...and while you are trying to improve yourself, bath."

[thegreatbeast]

I'm pissed that he let Lincoln's name be besmirched. He should have piped up then.

[Little Ray]

Lincoln, by the standards of today, WAS a racist ('course these days anybody who believes that a person should be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin is probably a racist by NAALCP standards...). Among other things, he wanted to colonize blacks back to Africa. He fought the Civil War (aka War of Northern Agression) to preserve the Union, not to free the slaves; slavery was largely a propaganda issue to keep England and France out of the war.
That said, we can't really judge him by the standards of today. For the mid-19th century his outlook was reasonable and benign; there were many folks (North AND South) that didn't even see blacks (or Indians, or Chinese, or Irish...) as human...
As shown in the anecdote, Lincoln treated blacks as equals whether or not he believed they were equal and believed that was the law should deal with them this way also.

Not my favorite President, but not the monster of "The Real Lincoln" either.

[Huck]

It was between two young baggers who were talking about an article one of them had read regarding President Lincoln. Both men happened to be black. One of them informed the other that President Lincoln cared nothing about blacks and was actually a racist.

With one or two well chosen pings, I could turn this into a civil war thread. I won't do it. But I could. Instead, I'll just make a crack and say I hadn't realized Lew Rockwell was actually a black grocery store clerk, and leave it at that.

[mhking]

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[Rodney King]

have at it.

[dead]

Besides, if there were such a thing as institutional racism no blacks would have ever made it. They’re be no Cedric the Entertainer’s, Deion Sanders’, Tiger Woods’ or Halle Berry’s.

Not to nitpick, but he really should have tried to name somebody who isn’t an entertainer.

Maybe Clarence Thomas, Neil Tyson, Condoleeza Rice, etc.

[squidly]

Correct. Lincoln freed the slaves, (the southern ones, anyway) for political reason, not for moral ones. The northern slaves weren't freed until after his death.

[WestPacSailor]

EXCELLENT ARTICLE

I just want to know when we are going to celebrate White History Month, when there will be a box labled "European-American" to check on my drivers license application, and when can I expect my reparations check from the government for killing many of my German ancestors?

[wasp69]

With one or two well chosen pings, I could turn this into a civil war thread. I won't do it. But I could.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Don't you go makin' no threats, Huck, ya hear?

[bedolido]

The northern slaves weren't freed until after his death.

Northern slaves? The Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States. Even before that the northern states had outlawed slavery (maybe not in reality). I am not familiar with northern slavery. What is your source?

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...It is unfortunate that I, and numerous other Caucasians, do not always emphatically state our views when asked...

I always have.
Course, I've never been able to work in the corporate world where PC and BS is a way of life.

As to Institutionalized Racism, there certainly is that. The Supreme Court made it the law of the land with their recent decision.

It just happens to be anti-white.

[rdb3]

He made the point that “institutional racism” is the reason many blacks “have not made it.” I told him there was no such thing. It is a creation of the university Marxists who have substituted “African-Americans, Hispanics, women and gays” for the word “proletariat.”

Lends credence to my theory that American blacks are in what I call "The Marxist Laboratory."

[Ayn Rand wannabe]

What I learned in AP History is the the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the occupied South. There were slave states that remained in the Union, but in order to keep their support, Lincoln couldn't free the slaves in those states (it's been too long, I can't remember which states those were). I think I'll go look around to give you evidence...

[wasp69]

The Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States.

Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for supressing said rebellion, do, on this 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, and in accordance with my purpose so to do, publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days from the first day above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof, respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States the following, to wit:

Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana (except the parishes of St. Bernard, Palquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James, Ascension, Assumption, Terrebone, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the city of New Orleans), Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley, Accomac, Morthhampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Anne, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth), and which excepted parts are for the present left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.

In short, President Licoln attempted to free those whom he had no control over and leave those in chains that he did. But, that is a topic for another thread.

I am not familiar with northern slavery. What is your source?

The very document you reference.

[IYAS9YAS]

I do know many union shops in the North refused to hire escaped or freed slaves. They were just as racist as the South is portrayed to have been. They just did a better job at hiding it.

[wasp69]

it's been too long, I can't remember which states those were

Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia.

[wasp69]

it's been too long, I can't remember which states those were

Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia.