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Schwarzenegger Adviser Buffett Suggests California Property Taxes Are Too Low
The Wall Street Journal ^ | August 15, 2003 | JOSEPH T. HALLINAN

Posted on 08/15/2003 10:23:44 AM PDT by Pubbie

Targeting State's Proposition 13 Is Unlikely Republican Stance

Warren Buffett, the billionaire financial adviser to Arnold Schwarzenegger's campaign for California governor, strongly suggested in an interview that the state's property taxes need to be higher.

Mr. Buffett, the chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., took on California's famous Proposition 13, which has limited property taxes there since 1978. As an example, he pointed out the difference between his own property-tax bills for homes he owns in California and Nebraska.

His home in Omaha, he said, is valued at roughly $500,000. His current yearly property tax bill on that home: $14,401.

In California, he owns a Laguna Beach home valued at $4 million, or eight times as much. The annual property taxes on that home are just $2,264 -- a fraction of what he pays in Omaha.

More to the point, said Mr. Buffett, the taxes on his Omaha home rose $1,920 this year, compared with $23 on the Laguna Beach home. Mr. Buffett attributed the scant jump in California to the restrictions of Proposition 13, which generally limits property-tax increases to 2% a year, no matter how much the value of a property appreciates.

Mr. Buffett stopped short of saying he would urge Mr. Schwarzenegger to seek a reversal of Proposition 13 to increase property taxes -- a move that would almost certainly be attacked by many of Mr. Schwarzenegger's fellow Republicans. But he left little doubt that that is where he is leaning.

"This property-tax illustration, that tells you, you can draw certain conclusions from that," said Mr. Buffett. Noting that tax assessments also vary widely, he said of the tax system, "In effect, it makes no sense."

"But you've got to look at everything," he added. "I took the job yesterday. And it's going to be his [Schwarzenegger's] policies. Any advice I give is going to be to him."

The state has been roiled by financial troubles tied to the economic downturn and the recent state energy crisis, factors fueling the effort to recall Gov. Gray Davis. Standard & Poor's Corp. has downgraded California bonds to a triple-B rating, the worst in the nation and two notches above junk-bond status.

Proposition 13 limits on property taxes aren't directly responsible for California's current fiscal problems, which had the state facing a deficit of $38 billion for the fiscal year that started July 1. But in general, the limitations on property taxes have forced state government to rely on other taxes, such as the personal income tax, and to engage in complicated maneuvers to reallocate the state's revenue and help entities that faced funding gaps, especially schools. Even with those constraints, state spending grew faster than inflation in the 1990s, but then leveled off and is down this year.

Mr. Schwarzenegger, like other candidates, has vowed to improve the state's fiscal picture. But suggestions that tax increases could be an answer could represent a problem for Republicans and the Bush White House, who have pursued tax cuts as the best way to improve the economy overall. Democrats are sure to leap at the contradiction, and the Buffett comments may likely to deepen the biggest fear of many national Republicans: that the moderate views of Mr. Schwarzenegger, for all his appeal as a candidate, could spark infighting within the party.

Sean Walsh, a spokesman for the campaign, said, "The proposals and courses [Mr. Schwarzenegger] chooses will be his own." The campaign announced late Thursday that Mr. Buffet and former Secretary of State George P. Shultz will co-head an "Economic Recovery Council" to advise the campaign, and he said that Mr. Buffet's voice would be one among its members. "The breadth of economic and financial views will be presented to Arnold," Mr. Walsh said.

In the interview, Mr. Buffett also said people approached Berkshire Hathaway and other financial firms a few months ago on behalf of the state of California, seeking to secure buyers for the state's bonds if necessary. "California was looking in the financial market for, in effect, a 'put,' or guarantee, by financial institutions that they would be able to come to market with bonds about nine months hence," said Mr. Buffett.

A spokesman for the California Treasurer said the department had "no knowledge of any state representative approaching Mr. Buffett." Steve Peace, California's director of finance, said investment bankers might have initiated such a discussion, but not with any official authorization by the state of California. He said the bond issue most likely involved -- a $10.7 billion limited sales tax bond -- has not yet been issued.

Mr. Buffett said that in the discussion with Berkshire Hathaway, the state was willing to pay 0.75 percentage point, or about $80 million, to firms such as Berkshire if they would agree to buy between $10 billion and $11 billion in bonds.

"That's a lot of money to pay for a put," said Mr. Buffett. "It's a couple bucks for every citizen of California." Just a year earlier, said Mr. Buffett, the fee for such a put was just 0.18 percentage point. "I thought about doing it," he said, but decided against it. Berkshire, he said, owns no California bonds.

Mr. Buffett's comments come a day after he startled many political observers by jumping into politics in the nation's biggest state, especially on the side of a Republican candidate. He is usually associated with Democratic causes. "I don't worry about that," he said. "I vote for far more Democrats than I vote for Republicans. But I vote for plenty of Republicans."

Among Mr. Schwarzenegger's competitors for the governor's seat is a longtime acquaintance of Mr. Buffett, former baseball commissioner Peter V. Ueberroth, who sits on the board of the Coca-Cola Co. with Mr. Buffett. Mr. Buffett said he hadn't known Mr. Ueberroth would be a candidate. Referring to Mr. Ueberroth and former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, another candidate, he said, "Peter is very able. Dick Riordan is very able. But Arnold, he's a very smart fellow. He has brains and muscle. Some of us have neither."

Through Berkshire, in which he controls about a third of the shares, Mr. Buffett has billions of dollars invested in the state of California. Those holdings include about $2.67 billion in stock of San Francisco based Wells Fargo & Co., along with other businesses, such as See's Candies and MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co., the nation's third-largest owner of natural gas pipelines. MidAmerican does substantial business in California. Its Kern River Gas Transmission Co. operates a 926-mile pipeline from Wyoming to the San Joaquin Valley near Bakersfield, Calif.

"The truth is California has got very serious financial problems," Mr. Buffett said. "It's an economy that's the size of France and there's no way the U.S. is going to have a healthy economy if California continues to have the problems it has . . . I've got a selfish interest in this country doing well, no doubt about that."

Mr. Buffett said his preliminary assessment of California showed that the state's budget had depended on billions of dollars collected in capital gains taxes, much of it generated by the bull market of the late 1990s. "In effect," he said, "they set their financial planning based on a financial bubble." Now that those gains are gone, California's budget must be balanced by money from elsewhere.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnold; arnoldschwarzenegger; buffet; calgov2002; california; schwarzenegger; warrenbuffet; warrenbuffett
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To: Iwo Jima
You have articulated the reason why if I lived in California I would vote against recall. It's not as though anyone who came into office now could do anything constructive anyway -- they'll just get the blame.

Click on the link in my tagline and then on "Tom's Plan for California" at the top.

He's got 4 solid points detailed there. You might be pleasantly surprised.

61 posted on 08/15/2003 11:14:37 AM PDT by Bob (http://www.TomMcClintock.com)
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To: BlessedByLiberty
Yep, nasty, but effective.

I might try that. It's blunt, but I think it is actually less nasty than the liberals' insinuations that we are motivated by greed and ignorance.

62 posted on 08/15/2003 11:15:39 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Pubbie
I dunno...

....maybe he should be suggesting that his taxes in Nebraska are too high.

A crucial insight into the workings of the elitest mind...

63 posted on 08/15/2003 11:17:04 AM PDT by dogbrain ("Life is hard son. It's harder if you're stupid.")
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To: cogitator
Virginia, like many other states, can't balance it's budget because it can't restrain spending. The "hated car tax" relief is more than offset by higher fees & taxes on everything else. Our Demonrat governor (who swore during the campaign that he wouldn't seek to raise taxes) keeps trying to raise taxes, but has been kept in check so far.
64 posted on 08/15/2003 11:17:50 AM PDT by talleyman (Satan is the Father of Lies - Satan is a Democrat)
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To: Pubbie
For all you you folk what had Arnold-gasams as soon as he announced, and who poo-pooed those of us who said that this is not necessarily good, WELL.....we told you....If Buffett keeps running his BIG STUPID mouth, Gray Davis will win the recall.
65 posted on 08/15/2003 11:19:13 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: Pubbie
The tide has turned for me.
The only power I have is my vote, consensus be damned.
I'm throwing my support to McClintock.
66 posted on 08/15/2003 11:19:42 AM PDT by b9
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To: buwaya
The California property tax penalizes new home buyers

That is desirable because we need a good percentage of people to stay put and be pillars of society so to speak. Nomads don't invest in their communities, they aren't going to be there long term. So lower taxes for long timers is a good thing. Long timers pay back in other ways, such as participating in local government, schools, charity work, improving their properties, building social networks, and committing less crime. We also need a good percentage of Nomads too, to keep the economy and work force capacity flexible. I'm currently a member of the Nomad class but do not mind lower taxes for long timers.

67 posted on 08/15/2003 11:19:56 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: NormsRevenge
What I meant by the "fraternity" is that McClintock's been around the Legislature long enough that he's probably ticked off enough people that he'll never get anything but the stonewall treatment. I'm sure the Democrat leadership in the Legislature believe they can make life more difficult for McClintock than for the others because he's "one of them," in a sense, they know him, and they'd have no qualms abusing him. An outsider would have, IMO, a better chance of talking over the heads of the Legislature, going to the people, and turning over some apple carts. The problem with Simon is that he appears to be too nice a guy to turn over anyone's apple cart. And Schwartz may turn out to be too liberal, even on fiscal matters. So our choices all have downsides.
68 posted on 08/15/2003 11:20:35 AM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: novacation
CA property tax varies from place to place. San Francisco is - 1.117% - fairly low for CA.

Sales tax also varies by location. SF is 8.5% - high for CA
69 posted on 08/15/2003 11:20:39 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: spokeshave; tallhappy; Drango; Wait4Truth
I know he doesn't agree with us on abortion, guns, gay adoption, government spending, or taxes. But we have to support Arnold...The party is depending on it...
70 posted on 08/15/2003 11:21:14 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Pubbie
How about he entertains lowering the taxes in Omaha instead? The taxes on my 150k home in Ohio are the same as his million dollar home in Laguna Beach, however I don't say he's taxed too little, I conclude that I'm taxed too much and try and find a way to get my taxes lowered(fat chance when all the parents who don't know how to tend to their own children--including affluent ones--keep passing levy after levy "for the children"('course that really only means "for the children" in public school, who gives a rat's butt about kids in educational alternatives).
71 posted on 08/15/2003 11:23:08 AM PDT by glory
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To: Bob
Oops, that should be:

www.TomMcClintock.com

72 posted on 08/15/2003 11:24:12 AM PDT by Bob (http://www.TomMcClintock.com)
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To: Bob
The social issues are not on my priority list since Davis has taken care of most of them with executive orders, I'm a business man and only care about Arnie putting more money in peoples pockets so they can spend it on my products.
73 posted on 08/15/2003 11:24:16 AM PDT by John Lenin (Imagine there's no liberals, it's easy if you try)
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To: remember
The option of deferred property taxes to the date of sale are an excellent idea.
74 posted on 08/15/2003 11:24:29 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: SupplySider
The extra benefit is that you are asking them to actually support the solution to whatever social problem they are complaining the government needs to "fix" with our money.

Yes it's blunt. However, the implication that conservatives live in a bubble and do not drink the same water, eat the same food, breathe the same air as they do and therefore do not care about negative effects on such concerns is also blunt, rude and ignorant.



75 posted on 08/15/2003 11:24:30 AM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: Henchster
I think you are right--does not make sense to me either.
76 posted on 08/15/2003 11:24:50 AM PDT by glory
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To: Callahan
Republicans should be for sales taxes and property taxes--as a way to reduce the income tax.

Under current law, sales taxes are not deductible (itemized) for federal income tax purposes - transforming state income taxes into sales taxes effectively increases your federal taxable income.

77 posted on 08/15/2003 11:25:02 AM PDT by talleyman (Satan is the Father of Lies - Satan is a Democrat)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The Legislature also increased state "subventions" to local government to replace what they'd lost in property tax revenues (although not entirely), so after Prop 13 it was a revenue shift that somewhat circumvented the financial effects of the measure. To give Buffett some slack, I think he's saying that the method of financing government across the board in California is pretty well screwed up. He probably believes that local governments should fund themselves, and not rely upon state revenues. That state revenues should be used for the state budget. I disagree with his solution -- raise property taxes in order to better fund local government so the state can stop subventions to the locals. But his reasoning, in the way he's identified the interrelationship between all levels of government, is realistic. In other words, his assessment is correct, but his solution stinks.

Maybe we should simply get rid of county governments. I'd suggest that as a start.

78 posted on 08/15/2003 11:25:31 AM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: Pubbie
Sorry, but I don't believe Arnold will support the insane idea of raising property taxes, no matter what Buffet is floating around right now. Unless he comes out officially and says that will be his strategy, I just don't buy that Arnold is stupid.
79 posted on 08/15/2003 11:26:55 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: My2Cents
>>> So our choices all have downsides<<<

In the long run, which do you think is the most intelligent candidate? Pretend for a minute
you have the power to make the difference...
who would you choose to represent you?
80 posted on 08/15/2003 11:28:21 AM PDT by b9
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